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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: apollo on July 06, 2019, 07:01:03 AM
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An excellent talk. This priest should be speaking at the Angelus Press Conference.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcvZaiBwe4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcvZaiBwe4)
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It's a good video. A lot of useful information for laymen especially. It would indeed be better to have Fr. Ripperger speak at an SSPX conference, but unfortunately he has always been anti-SSPX.
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It's a good video. A lot of useful information for laymen especially. It would indeed be better to have Fr. Ripperger speak at an SSPX conference, but unfortunately he has always been anti-SSPX.
I didn't know he was always anti-SSPX ... too bad.
Maybe this should be moved to another topic area.
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I didn't know he was always anti-SSPX ... too bad.
Maybe this should be moved to another topic area.
I like Fr. Ripperger, but just have to take him with a grain of salt. I have several of his books. IMO, it's good to have an exorcist's POV in these trying times in the Church. He says a lot of good things, even if he has it wrong when it comes to the status of the SSPX.
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Father Ripperger seems very strongly Thomistic in many ways. I don't agree with him about some things, but I respect him. Of course, he was ordained by a New Rite "bishop", so that could also be an issue.
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I like Fr. Ripperger, but just have to take him with a grain of salt. I have several of his books. IMO, it's good to have an exorcist's POV in these trying times in the Church. He says a lot of good things, even if he has it wrong when it comes to the status of the SSPX.
What is his issue with the SSPX?
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It's a good video. A lot of useful information for laymen especially. It would indeed be better to have Fr. Ripperger speak at an SSPX conference, but unfortunately he has always been anti-SSPX.
Well, yeah! I have heard him on at least two occasions. from his lips to my ear, assert that sspx sacraments are not valid, including marriage and confessions;that folks should leave the sspx. I don't think it would be good for Fr. R to speak at an sspx conference. I would suggest that Fr. R. give up speaking altogether. For him to speak at the upcoming Angelus conference, would IMHO, simply add confusion to an already confused, not to mention, dull list of speakers.
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from his lips to my ear, assert that sspx sacraments are not valid, including marriage and confessions;that folks should leave the sspx.
It is he who might not even be a priest, for he was ordained by a Novus Ordo new formula bishop as Ladislaus pointed out.
Whenever, I hear a Novus Ordo priest give the same "warning" about SSPX marriages and confessions, I inform to them that before the 1960's there were about 50 annulments a year worldwide and that from the 1970's forward up to 50,000+ just in the USA. I then ask them what percentage of the SSPX marriagees are living in adultery vs the Novus Ordo annulments and re-married?
With certainty of faith, and by its fruits, I believe my SSPX marriage is a Catholic marriage. I do not believe with certainty of faith that Novus Ordo priests are priests, AND I believe with certainty of faith that except for a few hundred annulments, all Novus Ordo annulments are invalid, and those who are re-married, are living in the perpetual state of mortal sin of adultery and they know it, they just have learned to numb their conscience.
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Well, yeah! I have heard him on at least two occasions. from his lips to my ear, assert that sspx sacraments are not valid, including marriage and confessions;that folks should leave the sspx.
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An exorcist who does not understand "supplied jurisdiction" ?
Or does he think that there is no crisis in the Church ?
I didn't know he was that out of touch with reality.
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Well, yeah! I have heard him on at least two occasions. from his lips to my ear, assert that sspx sacraments are not valid, including marriage and confessions;that folks should leave the sspx. I don't think it would be good for Fr. R to speak at an sspx conference. I would suggest that Fr. R. give up speaking altogether. For him to speak at the upcoming Angelus conference, would IMHO, simply add confusion to an already confused, not to mention, dull list of speakers.
I think you are right. It would be confusing to have him speak at an SSPX conference.
He doesn't believe that the SSPX has supplied jurisdiction, and he believes that the SSPX understanding of supplied jurisdiction is wrong. He apparently doesn't believe that a Modernist sect has taken over the Church.
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He doesn't believe that the SSPX has supplied jurisdiction, and he believes that the SSPX understanding of supplied jurisdiction is wrong. He apparently doesn't believe that a Modernist sect has taken over the Church.
Exactly. Fr. R represents a traditional Catholic sect, which recognizes the V2 church, its pope and its (Modernist) hierarchy. So naturally, he would not accept the “supplied jurisdiction” argument of ABL and the sspx. What’s interesting to me is how will Fr. R’s tune be forced to change, as sspx grows closer to his position and a practical reconciliation with Rome. How might this change his rhetoric, or will it?
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Exactly. Fr. R represents a traditional Catholic sect, which recognizes the V2 church, its pope and its (Modernist) hierarchy. So naturally, he would not accept the “supplied jurisdiction” argument of ABL and the sspx. What’s interesting to me is how will Fr. R’s tune be forced to change, as sspx grows closer to his position and a practical reconciliation with Rome. How might this change his rhetoric, or will it?
Also, how will he and all the FSSP and all the other Indult groups react once the Prelature is in place and all Papal approved Trad groups will be forced to be under the Prelature umbrella with the SSPX as its head?
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He doesn't believe that the SSPX has supplied jurisdiction, and he believes that the SSPX understanding of supplied jurisdiction is wrong. He apparently doesn't believe that a Modernist sect has taken over the Church.
But this is perfectly consistent with Bishop Fellay! There will be no confision at all! The audience will not be able to distinguish Fr. Ripperger from any other priest still in the SSPX! He will be a perfect fit.
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Exactly. Fr. R represents a traditional Catholic sect, which recognizes the V2 church, its pope and its (Modernist) hierarchy. So naturally, he would not accept the “supplied jurisdiction” argument of ABL and the sspx. What’s interesting to me is how will Fr. R’s tune be forced to change, as sspx grows closer to his position and a practical reconciliation with Rome. How might this change his rhetoric, or will it?
Well, Fr. Ripperger has said in several of his videos that he hopes that the SSPX will reconcile with Rome, so I think he'd be fine with that. He wants the SSPX to have ordinary jurisdiction (or delegated jurisdiction?) which is apparently a HUGE deal for him.
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But this is perfectly consistent with Bishop Fellay! There will be no confision at all! The audience will not be able to distinguish Fr. Ripperger from any other priest still in the SSPX! He will be a perfect fit.
Ha! You're right! ;D
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Well, Fr. Ripperger has said in several of his videos that he hopes that the SSPX will reconcile with Rome, so I think he'd be fine with that. He wants the SSPX to have ordinary jurisdiction (or delegated jurisdiction?) which is apparently a HUGE deal for him.
In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.
I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.
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In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.
I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.
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I think, if an SSPX priest were performing the exorcism, the answer would be
"THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST", because in our present day, Rome has lost
the Faith. Therefore the eternal Church is able to provide jurisdiction in cases
of emergency. And we are in emergency times.
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This is a concept that Fr Ripperger does not understand, it seems.
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In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.
I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.
There is an open question about jurisdiction needed for exorcisms. IMO, it is not needed.
The late Bp. Robert McKenna was consecrated a bishop by a sedevacantist bishop (Des Lauriers), and still he was able to perform successful exorcisms without ordinary jurisdiction (and I'm not a fan of sedevacantism).
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Well, Fr. Ripperger has said in several of his videos that he hopes that the SSPX will reconcile with Rome, so I think he'd be fine with that. He wants the SSPX to have ordinary jurisdiction (or delegated jurisdiction?) which is apparently a HUGE deal for him.
OK, Meg. So how does Fr. R reconcile the tens of thousands of sspx confessions and marriage ceremonies conducted while sspx was still using "supplied jurisdiction?" Will Rome simply shrug and say, "Oh well," and let all those sacramental enormities slip by unaddressed? What mechanism would Fr. R. suggest to make heretofore "invalid sacraments" valid again? Or would he insist that they were indeed invalid then, and must be done over? I think Fr. R. has some splainin to do.
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OK, Meg. So how does Fr. R reconcile the tens of thousands of sspx confessions and marriage ceremonies conducted while sspx was still using "supplied jurisdiction?" Will Rome simply shrug and say, "Oh well," and let all those sacramental enormities slip by unaddressed? What mechanism would Fr. R. suggest to make heretofore "invalid sacraments" valid again? Or would he insist that they were indeed invalid then, and must be done over? I think Fr. R. has some splainin to do.
Good questions. I have no idea how he would reconcile all of the previous SSPX confessions. Rome doesn't seem to care about all of the previous confessions before Francis gave his permission for the SSPX to hear confessions. The issue might just be ignored.
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Rome doesn't seem to care about all of the previous confessions before Francis gave his permission for the SSPX to hear confessions. The issue might just be ignored.
That's probably true. No one expects Rome to be very precise about anything doctrinal or liturgical. But Fr. R has always been so punctilious about these things. However, I'll bet he does his best to lay previous positions aside, and hope that he's not called to account for the many statements he's made in the past about invalid sacraments. He'll just whistle past the graveyard and hope that he does not awaken any spooks.
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Obviously Fr Ripperger is one not to be trifled with. He was pastor at SJA with a very biting wit. He almost went off the rails at the end of his tenure there. Got so bad about his bluntness about the breaking of the 6th and 9th commandments that I almost walked out one day (scandal to the little ones). He is of the sort, I tend to believe, that believes no big deal the Church has been through this before. Just stay united to Rome and everything will be fine. O and finally, shut up and obey.
A very dangerous person to be listening too if this is the Apocalypse.
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Obviously Fr Ripperger is one not to be trifled with. He was pastor at SJA with a very biting wit. He almost went off the rails at the end of his tenure there. Got so bad about his bluntness about the breaking of the 6th and 9th commandments that I almost walked out one day (scandal to the little ones).
Biting wit? Bluntness? He should come to NYC area. We could use a priest like him. And if he goes too far, we can take it as well as dish it out!
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He is of the sort, I tend to believe, that believes no big deal the Church has been through this before. Just stay united to Rome and everything will be fine. O and finally, shut up and obey.
After listening to many of his talks, that is not at all an accurate impression of him. The Dolorians are an order that are both contemplative and exorcists.
There is a difference between having a thorough understanding of Church history (and numerous horrific popes), and a Pollyanna "everything will be fine" approach.
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I think, if an SSPX priest were performing the exorcism, the answer would be
"THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST", because in our present day, Rome has lost
the Faith. Therefore the eternal Church is able to provide jurisdiction in cases
of emergency. And we are in emergency times.
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This is a concept that Fr Ripperger does not understand, it seems.
Perhaps you are more knowledgeable about demons and their required obedience to Church hierarchy. Perhaps you are not.