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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2018, 10:00:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 29, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
    I get what you're saying but my point is, we're not living in normal, catholic times.  Depending on where you live, a priest may be taking care of 2-3 chapels, which are 2-3 hrs away from each other.  Families need to realize that a priest's job in our day is to 1) provide mass/sacraments, 2) take care of the church's operations, 3) help run a school and educate converts, and others who want to get married.  I'd say socializing/pastoring with families is way, way down the priority list.  Just not enough time and not enough priests.
    In the case I describe you can strike out as above. 

    When we had traveling priests 10 years ago, they visited the homes of everyone, which is contrary to your observation. The traveling priest ate at a different home or at a restaurant with a different families practically every meal.

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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #31 on: June 29, 2018, 10:06:52 AM »
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    • Yes, if they have the time to do that, then they should visit everyone.  Agree.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #32 on: June 29, 2018, 10:20:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 29, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
    Yes, if they have the time to do that, then they should visit everyone.  Agree.
    It is a sign that they care for you and your family. Caring for you can be shown in many other ways too. In my case I do not see any signs of caring for others.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #33 on: June 29, 2018, 08:30:05 PM »
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    • For some, perception is not always reality.  At my Chapel they print in the bulletin every week that people are needed to sponsor Father.  Yet, it is always the same 3 or 4 “Rich” families that “volunteer” because no one else steps up to the plate.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #34 on: June 29, 2018, 09:25:28 PM »
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    It is a sign that they care for you and your family. Caring for you can be shown in many other ways too. In my case I do not see any signs of caring for others.
    I would still argue that "visiting your house" is an arbitrary action when it comes to "caring".  In former times, maybe it was ideal (when priests were in charge of small, rural communities) but in this modern day and age, there's just too many families to visit, in order to be "fair".
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #35 on: June 30, 2018, 06:59:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 29, 2018, 09:25:28 PM
    I would still argue that "visiting your house" is an arbitrary action when it comes to "caring".  In former times, maybe it was ideal (when priests were in charge of small, rural communities) but in this modern day and age, there's just too many families to visit, in order to be "fair".
    A typical SSPX chapel is lucky if it has 150 people, adults and children, and it takes 50 visits per year to cover the 150, that's about one visit per week. Today "in this modern age" we have cars, (the priest can drive or we pick him up) and like I said, just 10 years ago we had about 10 visits from different priests over a 3 year period when they were flying in just for the weekend and I was nobody special, others had more.

    At your parish there are zero visits from priests to your home? Or is it just go to mass receive the sacraments and go home, maybe getting a good morning once in a while?  
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #36 on: June 30, 2018, 07:11:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on June 29, 2018, 08:30:05 PM
    For some, perception is not always reality.  At my Chapel they print in the bulletin every week that people are needed to sponsor Father.  Yet, it is always the same 3 or 4 “Rich” families that “volunteer” because no one else steps up to the plate.
    Never heard that expression "sponsor father", what exactly does it mean, sponsor what?


    There is no way for one to really know who is putting up the money, unless they run the accounting (and  who the donor is, can be hidden even from the accountant and the pastor). The chest pounders will always be the ones that appear to be giving the money when the reality is that the majority of the big givers do not want to be identified as the givers. People with money are like magnets that attract false friends everywhere they go. The wise rich do not show their cards.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 07:54:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 30, 2018, 06:59:40 AM
    A typical SSPX chapel is lucky if it has 150 people, adults and children, and it takes 50 visits per year to cover the 150, that's about one visit per week. Today "in this modern age" we have cars, (the priest can drive or we pick him up) and like I said, just 10 years ago we had about 10 visits from different priests over a 3 year period when they were flying in just for the weekend and I was nobody special, others had more.

    At your parish there are zero visits from priests to your home? Or is it just go to mass receive the sacraments and go home, maybe getting a good morning once in a while?  
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    One visit in six years, and that was only because we asked for our home to be re-blessed after our "traditional catholic" contractor hired an clear mason (badge and all) to come examine our home.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #38 on: June 30, 2018, 02:54:20 PM »
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    • “Sponsor Father”...to host the visiting priest in your home after Saturday Mass, provide dinner, bed, and drive him back to the chapel on Sunday.  This does NOT mean pay airfare or travel expenses.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #39 on: June 30, 2018, 05:30:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on June 30, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
    “Sponsor Father”...to host the visiting priest in your home after Saturday Mass, provide dinner, bed, and drive him back to the chapel on Sunday.  This does NOT mean pay airfare or travel expenses.
    OK, thanks, I had never heard the expression before. So you say the same 4 families always volunteer. Not know all the details I can't really comment on it. I can say for my part, that I have many children and no room for guests and no silence. 
    In our chapel, when we had traveling priests about 10 years ago, everyone in the chapel took turns picking them up and dropping them off at the airport, a 2 hour affair. We took turns feeding them either dinner at our homes or we took them out to eat. We also took them out for entertainment (nature, fishing, sight seeing etc.). Sleeping places were usually the same three homes where there was peace, quiet, and privacy for the priest. Any house with young girls and young mothers would be a problem for priest, it is best to stay at a quiet home of an older couple. 
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #40 on: June 30, 2018, 05:41:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 28, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
    Why was this post down-thumbed...twice??

    Because I have pathological women and soy boys down-thumbing my comments out of spite, and they have no regard for facts and truth in my comments. I'm, also, willing to bet the soy boys down-thumbing my comments are closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. I feel sorry for the wives of the ones who are married. 
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #41 on: June 30, 2018, 06:00:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 05:41:26 PM
    Because I have pathological women and soy boys down-thumbing my comments out of spite, and they have no regard for facts and truth in my comments. I'm, also, willing to bet the soy boys down-thumbing my comments are closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. I feel sorry for the wives of the ones who are married.

    You're the one who sounds more like an unmanly little whiner with each new post.  Stop whining and crying about being persecuted.  I pity the fool woman who ends up married to you ... unless you grow up a little bit first.
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    Re: Spiritual Dead End at My SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #42 on: June 30, 2018, 06:31:01 PM »
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    • There are perfectly legitimate reasons for not sponsoring a visiting priest.  Imagine the scandal if I did so!  I'm a single female, age 60, who lives in a tiny one room studio apartment.  I don't have the funds to pay for his hotel and meals.  I could give Father my single-sized loft bed and I'll sleep beneath him on the desk, slumped on the bathroom floor, or outside in the hall.  I'd like to have my place consecrated but I don't know anyone else who could accompany me for the blessing.  In fact, my place will hold about four adults so long as one is in the bed and one is in the restroom.  At present, I own one chair.  Inappropriate and laughable!  
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