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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Last Tradhican on June 28, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
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Yesterday I sold something on Craigslist to a man. He asked me where I went to church and I told him the Catholic Church on X street. He told me that he knew the place and attended mass there a year ago for about 10 weeks. He was very well versed on the NWO, and so we had a long conversation about the solution, which to me is only the true faith lived. I won't go into everything, but to say that I spoke clearly to him about the faith. One point I stressed was that one must be in a state of grace to be able to think clearly and discern truth, and the only way to be in a state of grace is to go to Confession on a continual basis for the slightest sin. That as we go more and more to Confession we begin to see sins we did not see as sins before, as God's grace enlightens us. That's just one point. We talked a long time. I hope it gets him to come back.
This morning I thought to myself, what if he comes back? What will that help? Not a soul in our chapel has grown in the faith as a result of the pastor, in fact I would say that most have declined and have been scandalized. The people who were already strong in the faith and knowledge, are doing alright because they teach themselves, they can go without a pastor to teach them, but those that are not fully taught, will stagnate or retrogress with exposer to the pastor.
It is a sad situation, like recommending someone to come back to the Church when the only place they can go is the Novus Ordo. Oh, well, God wills it this way.
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Yesterday I sold something on Craigslist to a man. He asked me where I went to church and I told him the Catholic Church on X street. He told me that he knew the place and attended mass there a year ago for about 10 weeks. He was very well versed on the NWO, and so we had a long conversation about the solution, which to me is only the true faith lived. I won't go into everything, but to say that I spoke clearly to him about the faith. One point I stressed was that one must be in a state of grace to be able to think clearly and discern truth, and the only way to be in a state of grace is to go to Confession on a continual basis for the slightest sin. That as we go more and more to Confession we begin to see sins we did not see as sins before, as God's grace enlightens us. That's just one point. We talked a long time. I hope it gets him to come back.
This morning I thought to myself, what if he comes back? What will that help? Not a soul in our chapel has grown in the faith as a result of the pastor, in fact I would say that most have declined and have been scandalized. The people who were already strong in the faith and knowledge, are doing alright because they teach themselves, they can go without a pastor to teach them, but those that are not fully taught, will stagnate or retrogress with exposer to the pastor.
It is a sad situation, like recommending someone to come back to the Church when the only place they can go is the Novus Ordo. Oh, well, God wills it this way.
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Similar experience here...
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When we encourage people to find the true Faith, I don't know where to send them to mass...
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I usually just send them to sspx because it is a step in the right direction, but I also try to keep in touch with them and encourage them to come when we have an independent priest in town.
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We may be the lifeboat God is sending the person. We do the best we can, with prudence, and God will sort the rest out.
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Yesterday I sold something on Craigslist to a man. He asked me where I went to church and I told him the Catholic Church on X street. He told me that he knew the place and attended mass there a year ago for about 10 weeks. He was very well versed on the NWO, and so we had a long conversation about the solution, which to me is only the true faith lived. I won't go into everything, but to say that I spoke clearly to him about the faith. One point I stressed was that one must be in a state of grace to be able to think clearly and discern truth, and the only way to be in a state of grace is to go to Confession on a continual basis for the slightest sin. That as we go more and more to Confession we begin to see sins we did not see as sins before, as God's grace enlightens us. That's just one point. We talked a long time. I hope it gets him to come back.
This morning I thought to myself, what if he comes back? What will that help? Not a soul in our chapel has grown in the faith as a result of the pastor, in fact I would say that most have declined and have been scandalized. The people who were already strong in the faith and knowledge, are doing alright because they teach themselves, they can go without a pastor to teach them, but those that are not fully taught, will stagnate or retrogress with exposer to the pastor.
It is a sad situation, like recommending someone to come back to the Church when the only place they can go is the Novus Ordo. Oh, well, God wills it this way.
Having a good priest is a benefit to The Faith no doubt, but souls that attend Mass at a Traditional Mass Chapel do still have The Sacraments which are far superior Gifts than any great sermon or spiritual guidace from an awesome Priest.
I believe it is the poor soul attached to their own personal sins and then refusing God’s grace that He lovingly offers to them from The Sacraments that is the ultimate cause of the loss of Faith.
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I believe it is the poor soul attached to their own personal sins and then refusing God’s grace that He lovingly offers to them from The Sacraments that is the ultimate cause of the loss of Faith.
Agree! Most of the saints learned wisdom and received graces through the sacraments, through prayer and in contemplation of God, not from the weekly homily or meetings with priests.
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Yes, God provides for those of good will who truly seek Him, always willing to give up everything that is not pleasing to Him.
I changed my whole life and came back to the Church from the world. I knew nothing about the faith, except filial fear of God. I can see God’s hand in every step, he provided all the teachers in books and good priests who lived their vow of poverty. Not once was I deceived by even the counterfeit Novus Ordo, which I only attended for like 2 months before I discovered tradition. Even from my first day in the Novus ordo, I questioned everything, I immediately saw that it was not of truth. This could only be from God, as I knew NOTHING about the faith.
I just feel sorry for those that do not have the help of a good pastor, but the hindrance of a hireling. It is a sad affair.
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Agree! Most of the saints learned wisdom and received graces through the sacraments, through prayer and in contemplation of God, not from the weekly homily or meetings with priests.
This is true Pax, yet "faith then cometh by hearing..." (Rom 10:17) and while some SSPX chapels, including mine, have mostly good sermons, from the many reports like LT's, we cannot deny that others within the SSPX have a decided lack of good sermons.
In this crisis, we must have great faith, and hearing strong sermons regarding the true faith is something we all need because that helps us to grow in and strengthen our faith - and it does not matter if one just woke up or has been a trad their whole life, we do need to hear the clear truths of our faith preached from the pulpits - and sadly, it is clear that the SSPX, depending on which chapel you go to, often times fails in that regard.
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With respect to these sermons, can someone give me an example? Are they just avoiding speaking the Truth (ie. speaking anti-Vatican II) or are they actually teaching the Novus Ordo religion?
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Good sermons on Sundays is just part of it. I was blessed to have a really good priest for a few years and he gave mediocre sermons and he was mediocre in the confessional too. However, he was a real person who cared for your salvation and your life. He lived in poverty and gave every penny he had to help others. He was always teaching his parishioners by his example and seeing and talking with them. He really cared. No, it takes much more than a good sermon on Sunday to make a good priest.
A good priest goes to see his parishioners and how they live and genuinely cares for them.
The pastor of my chapel only goes to the homes of the rich (like the same three families, plus any new prospects), to drink fine liquors and eat 8 course meals and fawn over them to keep the donation stream going to pay for his own house, gardens, fine liquors, 8 course meals, and servants. Practically a Sunday does not go by where he does not complain about the donations of the other parishioners, never seeing or knowing that they live from hand to mouth every day, while he lives like a rich man.
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This is true Pax, yet "faith then cometh by hearing..." (Rom 10:17) and while some SSPX chapels, including mine, have mostly good sermons, from the many reports like LT's, we cannot deny that others within the SSPX have a decided lack of good sermons.
Plenty of good books in existence, with sermons from all time periods in the Church, which do not go out of style, since Truth does not change. Hearing the Faith is necessary, but when St Paul wrote that phrase, they didn't have the technology of books and mass-printing. We do. I think books can take the place of sermons and in many cases, be superior, since a book contains thoughts of SAINTS vs current priests (many of whom don't have the time that the saints did to formulate sermons), and many sermons today are very inadequate, (and this is not the priests' fault) due to time pressures, travel and barely-adequate seminary training. God did not leave us orphans in our quasi-persecution times. Get some good books!
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God wills it this way.
Wrong. God allows it (the errors & wickedness of the world), but He doesn't will it. God's will is rarely done by people, which is why the world is in its very decline.
When we pray the Our Father, the part "Thy Will be done..." is asking for the grace to do His will, but most people still reject it, hence, they, and the world they build, are the antithesis of the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Plenty of good books in existence, with sermons from all time periods in the Church, which do not go out of style, since Truth does not change. Hearing the Faith is necessary, but when St Paul wrote that phrase, they didn't have the technology of books and mass-printing. We do. I think since a book contains thoughts of SAINTS vs current priests (many of whom don't have the time that the saints did to formulate sermons), and many sermons today are very inadequate, (and this is not the priests' fault) due to time pressures, travel and barely-adequate seminary training. God did not leave us orphans in our quasi-persecution times. Get some good books!
I don't disagree, there are books that certainly can take the place of sermons and in many cases be superior, yet whenever any one goes to an SSPX chapel, they *should* hear a sermon that fortifies and strengthens their faith, not hear a sermon that leaves them feeling nothing at all, or still hungry or starved - because we are speaking of something we need.
If the priest is going to interrupt the Mass for a sermon at all, then the sermon ought to always be worthy of the interruption.
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Wrong. God allows it (the errors & wickedness of the world), but He doesn't will it. God's will is rarely done by people, which is why the world is in its very decline.
When we pray the Our Father, the part "Thy Will be done..." is asking for the grace to do His will, but most people still reject it, hence, they, and the world they build, are the antithesis of the Kingdom of Heaven.
True, that is correct. God allows it for some reason.
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Wrong. God allows it (the errors & wickedness of the world), but He doesn't will it. God's will is rarely done by people, which is why the world is in its very decline.
When we pray the Our Father, the part "Thy Will be done..." is asking for the grace to do His will, but most people still reject it, hence, they, and the world they build, are the antithesis of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why was this post down-thumbed...twice??
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How many times I've heard and read about the pastor going to everyone's house like once a month, to see all his parishioners and talk about their problems, life, and the faith. How many vocations came from the priests example to the children he would meet at home and church. I knew many priests like this. Haven't seen one in like 10 years it seems. I think the SSPX as a policy is restricting the priests socializing with lay people.
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At the SSPX chapel I attended until 2014, the pastor did the same thing; went to eat and hang out after mass with the seven or eight wealthy families and maide scolding comments about the stinginess of most parishioners. Extra events at the chapel the last few years were only for the rich or childless. For example, an evening dinner followed by a chamber orchestra, $100 a plate! But it was all for a good cause we were told when people protested. Numerous times various people of lesser means or with children tried to organize a family picnic, barbecue, or a movie or game night. These never happened because the wealthy people Father put in charge of the social events turned them down as not profitable enough. There were other very serious problems, on-going I’m told, that cut the attendance down to to a quarter of attendees in the early 2000s.
I tried awhile ago, without much success, to track down the families and individuals who left or were driven away. A few went to the Pius V, to the indult, a surprising number back to a “conservative” novus ordo, but most have seemingly vanished. There’s no resistance mass anywhere close, about 250 miles(!) and no gathering of “home aloners.”
I honestly don’t know what I could tell a person who was interested in becoming Catholic except to move. I would not tell him to go to the SSPX because he'd get a chilly reception when he says who referred him! (I was one of those driven away, not because of doing anything sinful, but because of social and family connections. I had to “confess” to corresponding with a certain priest and promise to never attend his masses or those of his associates, also, to cease my friendship with another priest’s sister and family! When I refused, I was told to leave and not return.)
However, keep in mind that the priest does not save souls; that’s the job of the Holy Ghost. Unfortunately, I don’t have any such dilemma, personally. I haven’t encountered anyone at all receptive to becoming Catholic. The people I’m around, elderly parents excepted, are outright hostile to the Church, to the point where it is imprudent to mention it. (Casting pearls before swine) The likely response is for them to blaspheme, so I remain silent unless obedience demands I speak out.
The only thing to be done is to pray, and I’d advise your friend to pray the Rosary before recommending a certain chapel or priest. Our Lady will guide them to the right place if that is her Son’s Will.
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Why was this post down-thumbed...twice??
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Croix has developed some enemies but good luck figuring out who they are.
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Truth be told, there are still some good priests left in the Society. All I have access to is a chapel where one priest is excellent, who everyone wonders why he isn’t Resistance yet. He honestly spends time getting to know parishioners and still maintaining that old school line of the SSPX. And the other priest ... well ...
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These personal experiences are eye-opening, to say the least! I just read the first page again and realized I didn't believe my eyes the first time through. I had to read it twice!
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Now I'm unable to keep wondering: If there have been multiple SSPX pastors in chapels throughout the USA who have curried favor exclusively with the wealthy, single or childless parishioners, to the exclusion of the less prosperous families with lots of children, there must be something going on in the supervision department.
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This can't be a coincidence. This ideology comes from the TOP - DOWN.
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The USA Superior must be okay with this state of affairs. And if HE'S okay with it, then the Superior General must be okay with it. And recalling what I have seen and read about what comes out of Menzingen via the mouths of the 3 kingpins there, or in articles in The Angelus, I have to say I don't recall anything from "a higher authority" urging pastors to be charitable toward all the parishioners equally or not to favor certain ones for monetary concerns. In fact, such a message would seem to be impossible for the current Menzingen crowd.
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Consequently, since it is practically a universal observation from those with experience that +Fellay has spent the past 25 or more years promoting his preferred kind of priests into positions of "capitulants" (those able to vote at the General Chapter coming up next month), which means apparently (not my judgment but what I have been told by those "in the know") that he has hand-picked priests who are most loyal to him, as if loyalty to +Fellay is the most important criterion for becoming a capitulant. Then one must ask, "What Makes a Priest More Loyal to +Fellay?"
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Now, I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that it's not unreasonable to conclude that being profitable (at nearly any cost, such as paying less attention to poor families in the parish) goes hand-in-hand with loyalty to +Fellay, and that these two principles are not mutually exclusive. Anyone can prove me wrong by identifying one or more pastors who have garnered praise from Menzingen for having gone out of their way to serve the poor. Has +Fellay or any of his close associates congratulated pastors who have cared for their flock with special service to the less affluent members? Has +Fellay assured everyone that any priest in particular has been made a capitulant because he has shown great charity to the poor?
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Has +Fellay ever explained to everyone why ANY priest has been made a capitulant under +Fellay's watch?
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And perhaps the most telling of all:
What about the parish record of those priests who HAVE been made capitulants, have they been the ones who only associate with prosperous parishioners? What has been the distinguishing mark of all of them in general, OTHER THAN loyalty to +Fellay?
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Truth be told, there are still some good priests left in the Society. All I have access to is a chapel where one priest is excellent, who everyone wonders why he isn’t Resistance yet. He honestly spends time getting to know parishioners and still maintaining that old school line of the SSPX. And the other priest ... well ...
If I thought for one minute that my pastor was the template for all SSPX pastors I would not have bothered to make my posting, for there is no hope of change.
I posted the OP in the hope that all SSPX priests will learn something from it, for it is better to learn from others mistakes than from our own. I posted it in the hope that whatever priests are behaving in that way (even our pastor) , it will open their eyes and they will change.
Women complain about things to get sympathy and commiseration. I am not a woman, I am a man, and Men complain to get things fixed, to find the solutions. This has to be solved one way or another, either the priest changes or he moves on or gets transferred to start over gain.
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I think the SSPX as a policy is restricting the priests socializing with lay people.
I know for sure that our pastor is restricting the priest under him from socializing with the lay people. He even has all the parishioners scared of socializing with each other for fear of anything they say getting back to him. It is a sad state of affairs.
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Extra events at the chapel the last few years were only for the rich or childless.
Very interesting, my pastor is the same. Parish parties with lot's of booze and only adults. If it wasn't for one or two parents, there would be not even be the maybe 2 activities a year for the children, and there are many children, like 33% of the parishioners. They all leave town at 14, and we never see them again, the parents send them away to school.
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How can the USA District Superior determine the success of a pastor? :
In a brief visit of even one week they would just see what the pastor wants them to see, mostly they would be entertained like kings.
The parishioners would not say anything bad about the pastor, they do not want to hurt him, no one including myself wants to harm the pastor (I have seen people commit ѕυιcιdє over matters like this). However, how about all the people who come seeking God and are not growing, are actually retrogressing or were scandalized and are gone? Who is caring about them?
The pastor is excellent at getting donations from the well off, and that is a measure of success that can be seen on paper and reports. That is likely the only gauge of success being used. If it is, it is not Catholic.
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. They all leave town at 14, and we never see them again, the parents send them away to school.
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I will never understand this mentality.
Primary duty of rearing children is the parents. It cannot be transferred.
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Good sermons on Sundays is just part of it. I was blessed to have a really good priest for a few years and he gave mediocre sermons and he was mediocre in the confessional too. However, he was a real person who cared for your salvation and your life. He lived in poverty and gave every penny he had to help others. He was always teaching his parishioners by his example and seeing and talking with them. He really cared. No, it takes much more than a good sermon on Sunday to make a good priest.
A good priest goes to see his parishioners and how they live and genuinely cares for them.
The pastor of my chapel only goes to the homes of the rich (like the same three families, plus any new prospects), to drink fine liquors and eat 8 course meals and fawn over them to keep the donation stream going to pay for his own house, gardens, fine liquors, 8 course meals, and servants. Practically a Sunday does not go by where he does not complain about the donations of the other parishioners, never seeing or knowing that they live from hand to mouth every day, while he lives like a rich man.
LT: I got to tell ya. It's hard for someone who doesn't have access to weekly mass to relate here. Of course everyone would love to have the ideal situation these days, but that's just not possible for most of us. I will say that although I can't get to mass every week, I am blessed with my pastor...so there's that.
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LT: I got to tell ya. It's hard for someone who doesn't have access to weekly mass to relate here. Of course everyone would love to have the ideal situation these days, but that's just not possible for most of us. I will say that although I can't get to mass every week, I am blessed with my pastor...so there's that.
All I'm saying is that a good priest should know who you are and taken a real interest in you and your family, and maybe gone to have dinner at your house once a year. There are not that many parishioners in a typical SSPX chapel unless you are at St. Mary's. Visiting a husband and wife takes just one trip, a husband and wife with many children takes just one trip. Do the math, a priest could visit people many times a year. My old priest was at our house 4 times in one year and he only flew in on weekends. This pastor lives here 7 days a week.
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How can the USA District Superior determine the success of a pastor? :
In a brief visit of even one week they would just see what the pastor wants them to see, mostly they would be entertained like kings.
The parishioners would not say anything bad about the pastor, they do not want to hurt him, no one including myself wants to harm the pastor (I have seen people commit ѕυιcιdє over matters like this). However, how about all the people who come seeking God and are not growing, retrogressing, or scandalized and gone? Who is caring about them?
The pastor is excellent at getting donations from the well off, is that how their success is gauged? If it is, it is not Catholic.
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The last three big events we had at the sspx chapel were expensive, and we have poor chapels:
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1. $5,000 for a dinner for b. Fellay. -- I can't remember the priest who did this.
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2. "Talent show", I don't know the exact figure, but they utilized a rented hall and catered food for two sspx congregations, about 300 people. -- fr. Kenneth novak
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3. "History competition" between sspx and fraternity of st. Peter. The priest was assigned to begin to mingle sspx with the fraternity. He did a good job as half the congregation left for the fraternity. -- fr. Kenneth novak
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The kicker to me, financially, was spending $10k for concrete for a 10-car parking lot (less than half the parking lot). It was gravel and sufficient for our non-priory outpost. -- fr. Bourmaud, if I am not mistaken.
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Not money related, but fr. Richard Boyle put a photo of the local diocesan bishop up in the back of the chapel, so everyone would see it as one entered the chapel. Assimilation even then, about 10 years ago.
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I no longer trust the spiritual direction of any sspx priest who hasn't left. Independent priests are all we have now.
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Thank God we no longer attend sspx.
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All I'm saying is that a good priest should know who you are and taken a real interest in you and your family, and maybe gone to have dinner at your house once a year.
In normal times, yes, I agree. But in our area, I know our priest's schedule and he's at school 5 days a week, with a few hours off in late afternoon, then his nights are filled with either choir practice, marriage classes, convert classes or evening mass. His sunday schedule is travelling to say 3 masses, so saturday is a prep for that. This doesn't take into account when people call him on the phone for advice, or visits to the hospital or all the normal duties he has taking care of the sacristiy. He has ABSOLUTELY no time for social visits. I'd bet many priests schedules are busy like this. (...plus, most of our parish lives an avg of 40 min away from the chapel.)
I think your expectations are a little out of sorts.
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In normal times, yes, I agree. But in our area, I know our priest's schedule and he's at school 5 days a week, with a few hours off in late afternoon, then his nights are filled with either choir practice, marriage classes, convert classes or evening mass. His sunday schedule is travelling to say 3 masses, so saturday is a prep for that. This doesn't take into account when people call him on the phone for advice, or visits to the hospital or all the normal duties he has taking care of the sacristiy. He has ABSOLUTELY no time for social visits. I'd bet many priests schedules are busy like this. (...plus, most of our parish lives an avg of 40 min away from the chapel.)
I think your expectations are a little out of sorts.
If a priest is working all the time like that, you can see that he is caring for his flock, and you understand why he does not visit your home very often. If on the other hand you see what I described it is another story. Two totally different scenarios.
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If a priest is working all the time like that, you can see that he is caring for his flock, and you understand why he does not visit your home very often. If on the other hand you see what I described it is another story. Two totally different scenarios.
By the way, parents do the same exact job as a priest, they work and have to take care of their work and travel to see their customers/patients/clients, as well as take care of their family and home, AND they still have time to visit family and friends. So I do not see why a priest is any different. It is called work, and everybody is in the same boat. The priest has one big advantage, he can just ask for a transfer, while a parent has an obligation for life.
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If on the other hand you see what I described it is another story.
Agree. The sspx has always been too much about $ and property, especially under +Fellay. Sad.
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I get what you're saying but my point is, we're not living in normal, catholic times. Depending on where you live, a priest may be taking care of 2-3 chapels, which are 2-3 hrs away from each other. Families need to realize that a priest's job in our day is to 1) provide mass/sacraments, 2) take care of the church's operations, 3) help run a school and educate converts, and others who want to get married. I'd say socializing/pastoring with families is way, way down the priority list. Just not enough time and not enough priests.
In the case I describe you can strike out as above.
When we had traveling priests 10 years ago, they visited the homes of everyone, which is contrary to your observation. The traveling priest ate at a different home or at a restaurant with a different families practically every meal.
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Yes, if they have the time to do that, then they should visit everyone. Agree.
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Yes, if they have the time to do that, then they should visit everyone. Agree.
It is a sign that they care for you and your family. Caring for you can be shown in many other ways too. In my case I do not see any signs of caring for others.
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For some, perception is not always reality. At my Chapel they print in the bulletin every week that people are needed to sponsor Father. Yet, it is always the same 3 or 4 “Rich” families that “volunteer” because no one else steps up to the plate.
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It is a sign that they care for you and your family. Caring for you can be shown in many other ways too. In my case I do not see any signs of caring for others.
I would still argue that "visiting your house" is an arbitrary action when it comes to "caring". In former times, maybe it was ideal (when priests were in charge of small, rural communities) but in this modern day and age, there's just too many families to visit, in order to be "fair".
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I would still argue that "visiting your house" is an arbitrary action when it comes to "caring". In former times, maybe it was ideal (when priests were in charge of small, rural communities) but in this modern day and age, there's just too many families to visit, in order to be "fair".
A typical SSPX chapel is lucky if it has 150 people, adults and children, and it takes 50 visits per year to cover the 150, that's about one visit per week. Today "in this modern age" we have cars, (the priest can drive or we pick him up) and like I said, just 10 years ago we had about 10 visits from different priests over a 3 year period when they were flying in just for the weekend and I was nobody special, others had more.
At your parish there are zero visits from priests to your home? Or is it just go to mass receive the sacraments and go home, maybe getting a good morning once in a while?
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For some, perception is not always reality. At my Chapel they print in the bulletin every week that people are needed to sponsor Father. Yet, it is always the same 3 or 4 “Rich” families that “volunteer” because no one else steps up to the plate.
Never heard that expression "sponsor father", what exactly does it mean, sponsor what?
There is no way for one to really know who is putting up the money, unless they run the accounting (and who the donor is, can be hidden even from the accountant and the pastor). The chest pounders will always be the ones that appear to be giving the money when the reality is that the majority of the big givers do not want to be identified as the givers. People with money are like magnets that attract false friends everywhere they go. The wise rich do not show their cards.
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A typical SSPX chapel is lucky if it has 150 people, adults and children, and it takes 50 visits per year to cover the 150, that's about one visit per week. Today "in this modern age" we have cars, (the priest can drive or we pick him up) and like I said, just 10 years ago we had about 10 visits from different priests over a 3 year period when they were flying in just for the weekend and I was nobody special, others had more.
At your parish there are zero visits from priests to your home? Or is it just go to mass receive the sacraments and go home, maybe getting a good morning once in a while?
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One visit in six years, and that was only because we asked for our home to be re-blessed after our "traditional catholic" contractor hired an clear mason (badge and all) to come examine our home.
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“Sponsor Father”...to host the visiting priest in your home after Saturday Mass, provide dinner, bed, and drive him back to the chapel on Sunday. This does NOT mean pay airfare or travel expenses.
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“Sponsor Father”...to host the visiting priest in your home after Saturday Mass, provide dinner, bed, and drive him back to the chapel on Sunday. This does NOT mean pay airfare or travel expenses.
OK, thanks, I had never heard the expression before. So you say the same 4 families always volunteer. Not know all the details I can't really comment on it. I can say for my part, that I have many children and no room for guests and no silence.
In our chapel, when we had traveling priests about 10 years ago, everyone in the chapel took turns picking them up and dropping them off at the airport, a 2 hour affair. We took turns feeding them either dinner at our homes or we took them out to eat. We also took them out for entertainment (nature, fishing, sight seeing etc.). Sleeping places were usually the same three homes where there was peace, quiet, and privacy for the priest. Any house with young girls and young mothers would be a problem for priest, it is best to stay at a quiet home of an older couple.
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Why was this post down-thumbed...twice??
Because I have pathological women and soy boys down-thumbing my comments out of spite, and they have no regard for facts and truth in my comments. I'm, also, willing to bet the soy boys down-thumbing my comments are closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. I feel sorry for the wives of the ones who are married.
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Because I have pathological women and soy boys down-thumbing my comments out of spite, and they have no regard for facts and truth in my comments. I'm, also, willing to bet the soy boys down-thumbing my comments are closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. I feel sorry for the wives of the ones who are married.
You're the one who sounds more like an unmanly little whiner with each new post. Stop whining and crying about being persecuted. I pity the fool woman who ends up married to you ... unless you grow up a little bit first.
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There are perfectly legitimate reasons for not sponsoring a visiting priest. Imagine the scandal if I did so! I'm a single female, age 60, who lives in a tiny one room studio apartment. I don't have the funds to pay for his hotel and meals. I could give Father my single-sized loft bed and I'll sleep beneath him on the desk, slumped on the bathroom floor, or outside in the hall. I'd like to have my place consecrated but I don't know anyone else who could accompany me for the blessing. In fact, my place will hold about four adults so long as one is in the bed and one is in the restroom. At present, I own one chair. Inappropriate and laughable!