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Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2017, 08:39:11 PM »
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  • Rumor has it there was a wedding 10/21/17 .It was extremely liberal in all aspects.
    The ceremony ,the adherence and deportment of the guests and their conduct on church grounds
    It is only a hunch but could the fact that the vast majority of the guests where N.O Hispanic have anything to do with our not hearing a word on this ? Fear of being labeled ?

    Regardless of who or what a person is problems should be brought to light    
    True, but it was up to bride to include a card with the invitation informing guests about dress code and rules for receiving communion and expected behavior. After that she can't be held responsible for the misbehavior of others. My son and DIL did that and some women still refused to wear the provided veil.😞
    Some people are just downright rude and thoughtless.   I feel bad for couples whose guests misbehave, it's so disrespectful.

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #31 on: November 26, 2017, 05:05:54 PM »
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  • Announcement made today: 
    Fr. Stafki is leaving 
    Word has it the dept and discontent of parishioners was the deciding factor in Fr. being reassigned 



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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #32 on: November 26, 2017, 05:48:23 PM »
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  • Announcement made today:
    Fr. Stafki is leaving
    Word has it the dept and discontent of parishioners was the deciding factor in Fr. being reassigned
    I've been sick so did not go to Mass this morning.  I am surprised because everyone I've talked to really seemed to like him.  He's certainly personable although I do not know him very well myself.  I wonder who will take his place :popcorn:

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 12:33:49 PM »
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  • Fr. Stafki was an excellent retreat master when I went on retreat in Phoenix in 2014.

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #34 on: November 30, 2017, 11:10:46 AM »
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  • I was told last night Father was leaving because of his "health". If true, that would make the third prior in a row to have been transferred for health reasons. Either Phoenix is a poisonous place or we have too many priests with delicate constitutions.

    However I suspect that is just a cover story, and a poorly executed one. 

    I have heard that Fr.  McDonald is to be the new prior, but I'm not sure which one, Dennis or Stephen. 


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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #35 on: December 01, 2017, 12:38:31 PM »
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  • In Truth Fr. Stafki is very ill
    The Doctors  believe a large part of it is stress. Fr.Stafki is a wonderful priest but could not get the parish numbers up.
    That BTW is the reason Fr. Wegner sent Fr. Pazet here and the whole "Mass for Mexicans" thing started
    but you are right Phoenix is a poisonous place
    and no matter what programs are offered or groups started the church remains fractured
    There is a a general sense of melancholia at OLOS
    It was not always like that.  We once had a vibrant ,growing & happy congregation
    I remember how Boyle hall was always packed on Sunday .That all changed when they built that
    monstrosity of a church and saddled us all with a huge dept


    BTW.on a side note isn't nice how the sun comes up on Sunday morning shinning through the huge windows
    behind the stripped down altar and blinding whoever is sitting in the first 15 rows.
    A constant and everlasting reminder of the of the embezzled window fund



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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #36 on: December 01, 2017, 05:09:04 PM »
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  • Something is wrong if they keep burning out Priors.  Is it really about how to "get the numbers up"?  This isn't Dollar Tree looking to increase sales is it?  Or are they just looking to get NOers to warm our pews and give there $$?  They would probably have more converts, and save more souls if they preached the unadulterated Catholic faith.

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #37 on: December 02, 2017, 10:34:09 PM »
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  • Something is wrong if they keep burning out Priors.  Is it really about how to "get the numbers up"?  This isn't Dollar Tree looking to increase sales is it?  Or are they just looking to get NOers to warm our pews and give there $$?  They would probably have more converts, and save more souls if they preached the unadulterated Catholic faith.
    That's what I was thinking.
    They're going about it completely the wrong way. Focus on standing fast to Tradition, keeping the Faith and the truth, and the numbers will follow. Chase numbers, and you'll forget what your organization was founded for. That is what happened to the SSPX.
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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #38 on: December 02, 2017, 10:37:40 PM »
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  • Quote
    Chase numbers, and you'll forget what your organization was founded for.

    That is what happened to the SSPX.
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    So THAT'S what happened to the SSPX?
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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #39 on: December 02, 2017, 10:43:24 PM »
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  • True, but it was up to bride to include a card with the invitation informing guests about dress code and rules for receiving communion and expected behavior. After that she can't be held responsible for the misbehavior of others. My son and DIL did that and some women still refused to wear the provided veil. ???

    Some people are just downright rude and thoughtless.  
    I feel bad for couples whose guests misbehave, it's so disrespectful.
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    Maybe they're just being themselves, like they've learned in Novus Ordo Land?
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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #40 on: December 06, 2017, 05:09:09 PM »
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  • From what I have heard there is going to be a big shake up when Fr McDonald gets here Not at first the dust has to settle a little but then he is to get to work on his two main objectives numbers and donations 
    both are way down

    Wonder why ::)


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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #41 on: December 06, 2017, 09:04:23 PM »
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  • Must be the lack of bingo... :jumping2:

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #42 on: December 06, 2017, 10:08:33 PM »
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  • From what I have heard there is going to be a big shake up when Fr McDonald gets here Not at first the dust has to settle a little but then he is to get to work on his two main objectives numbers and donations
    both are way down

    Wonder why ::)

    I see. Similar to the business metrics of gas station:



    Get that throughput up and increase those margins!

    We need a better ROI on this under-performing property.
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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #43 on: December 09, 2017, 10:59:51 AM »
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  • Yes
     but unlike OLOS  a gas station owner like the one in the photo understands aesthetics 
     you can not promote tradition and Catholic culture and expect newcomers to worship in what amounts
     to a warehouse unaware that we the members are being punished for not paying the dept . No they will just leave 

    Proof of that is the fact that FSSP , CMRI and St. Catherine are full while OLOS has less then 200 for High Mass in a church that fits over 500            "Numbers Dont Lie"

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    Re: Spanish sermons at SSPX Phoenix
    « Reply #44 on: December 12, 2017, 09:06:04 AM »
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  • An important part of the patrimony of the southwestern part of the United States is Spanish speaking.   

    A typical platitude from its usual source on CathInfo.

    Nonsense!   The linguistic "patrimony" of the "southwestern part of the United States" is not Spanish, but instead, numerous Amerind languages, representing completely different language families [÷], that had been spoken for centuries as Amerind "tribes" flowed or ebbed across the terrain of the future U.S. Southwest.  Near the modern U.S./Mexico border that's the basis for modern liberal pandering, specifically west of the Rio Grande, languages representing the Uto-Aztecan, Yuman-Cochimi, and Na-Dene families were the most widespread [†].

    The Catholic Faith was brought to that region by Spanish speaking priests long before the United States ever existed.

    Yes, and "long before" Mexico  "ever existed" (a reminder for readers for whom emotion overwhelms a more rational perspective).

    If we must follow such rhetoric, then what concessions should have been made to the French-speaking bishop (born in France) who was assigned by Rome to Savannah then to St. Augustine, in effect, to restore the Catholic Faith in the 19th-Century English-speaking states Georgia & Florida?   The priests he personally recruited were also French-speaking (and born in France).  Hmmm?

    Imperial Spain was not an "empire" like either of the Roman ones, nor did it "colonize" the New World in the sense that its geopolitical rival England did.  Spanish conquistadors would claim land for their monarch(s), build presidios (often shortchanged on the soldiers manning them), give leave to their accompanying Catholic missionaries to proselytize in the vicinity--except for the condition that the missionaries or their Amerind neophytes produce enough food for everyone--while they themselves rushed off to seek personal wealth.  It was quite rare to encounter Spanish freemen who were willing to endure the risks & hardships of travel across an ocean, then travel thro' strange lands, just so they could be a Catholic farmer or pastoralist again in the New World like they had been back in Spain.

    Any "Spanish" colonizing expeditions into the inland Southwest would have required arduous travel over unfamiliar mostly arid terrain; e.g., Oñate's in 1598 covered perhaps 500 miles measured (loosely by a map's scale) from the northernmost colonial outpost.  Despite photos of statues depicting women & children, I doubt that Spain-born women were ever very numerous there, especially when compared to all the Spain-born men [‡].  It's nowhere nearly as easy as embarking at a European harbor, then disembarking at a legendary Protestant Rock across the ocean.  The Spanish conquistador custom--tolerated if not actually approved by the Church--was to choose wives from among the New-World-native populations.  Thus the "mother tongue" of their children could still be the native Amerind language, not Spanish.

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    Note ÷: Thus far more different from each other than, e.g., Spanish from French or even English, and altho' my reference book for that is not within reach, often more different from each other than Latin from Hebrew.  No thanks to Columbus for deciding that the Asiatic-looking natives he "discovered" were "Indians", and leaving modern writers to devise awkward words like "Amerind" to try to undo the long-established confusion.

    Note †: This map is consistent with what I remember of the reconstructed distribution of native languages before Columbus arrived: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Langs_N.Amer.png> (Wikipedia seems to be more reliably factual for its maps, recreated in modern graphic file-formats from out-of-copyright maps, than for its prose).

    Note ‡: I use the awkward phrase "Spain-born" as the plainest way to avoid ambiguity, especially as left unresolved by "Spanish-born", which might be used for New-World-born offspring of parents who are both "Spain-born".  Yes, the difference did matter in the society of the Spanish Empire.  Alternatives I've read in various authoritative sources have used "Iberian", referring to the European peninsula (and accepting the inclusion of Portugal), and "peninsular" (sometimes capitalized) to mean the same thing.

     

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