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Sodomy Scandal in Post Falls, ID - SSPX Immaculate Conception Academy
« Reply #305 on: August 10, 2016, 11:35:20 AM »
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But, I have to ask you - where in Spokane is there a high paying job?????   :wink:


I can't say precisely because of privacy concerns :)   but I work in a very niche industry and there is an opportunity in Spokane, which I was pursuing because it's not often one finds a job opening in close proximity to good masses, where the cost of living is not exorbitant, the climate (physical and moral) is not seriously objectionable for one reason or another, and the opening is there when one is looking for it. But there will be other opportunities, and I can stay in Prottie-land here in the south for as long as necessary. The 2hr drive to mass does get a bit old though!


The Pacific Northwest is quickly going downhill.   In fact, it has gone downhill.   It is no longer a safe area.  You are safer in a big city.  The Spokane/Post Falls area has an exceedingly high property crime rate, a rash of crack, cocaine and heroin addicts and pushers, and a mental illness epidemic.  

Stay away. It is an evil area.   And I mean that quite sincerely.  It is evil.

Offer a Mass in thanksgiving to Our Lord and His Blessed Mother for saving you from making what would have been the worst move you ever made.


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« Reply #306 on: August 10, 2016, 11:45:54 AM »
Increasingly I have come to believe that it is a huge mistake to take children directly from high school to the seminary. What wisdom and discernment can such boys have?

To have never held a job, to have never been forced to be "in the world," to go directly from Momma to a life of coddling where there is always a roof and food provided and prepared by adoring parishioners makes for priests that are crippled in understanding the lives of their flocks, too often producing narcissistic punks.

I won't hold my breath for due changes in the formation of priests.


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« Reply #307 on: August 10, 2016, 02:11:38 PM »
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That's exactly what they are, the twenty-something year olds being among the worst of the worst.


I'm no fan of sspx and Fellay & Co., believe me.  But to call these young men "Narcissistic priests" is a bit over the top, IMO.

Look, most of them come out of families who have been associated with sspx for decades.  These priests are merely fulfilling,in most cases, the fondest dreams of their sspx parents.  They are the good sons, the ones who are doing what their families wanted them to do, the ones who have answered the oft repeated call from sspx pulpits over the years.  They can not help it if they've been ill-prepared and inadequately trained in sspx seminaries.  They can't automatically add years of life experiences to their resumes.  These young men need to be cut a little slack, IMO. Let life deal them some hard blows, and maybe after awhile, some of them will become good and useful priests.  Again, I say that as one who has absolutely no use for the Fellay-led SSPX.

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« Reply #308 on: August 10, 2016, 04:01:57 PM »
I absolutely agree that lack of life experience is a big contributing factor with these priests. The most capable priests I have ever met are those that have had a job, a career, experience living on their own in the world and making a living, dealing with adversity, before they have entered the seminary.

It shouldn't be necessary, and in the old days perhaps it wasn't so necessary, when family life was harder and involved more work and sacrifice for the whole family, the world was a bit less corrupting, and certainly less complex, and so a man could be adequately trained to cope with it by the time he was in his late teens. Nowadays though, despite the best efforts of Catholic parents who love their children and want them to save their souls, the task of a priest is more Herculean than ever, and a young man of 24 or 26, armed with no practical experience of making ends meet, no exposure to the reality of sin as he learns to associate with the same non-Catholic society his parishioners will be obliged to interact with on a daily basis, and no skill in judging people and character, has little opportunity to develop any of the skills that make a good household manager, personnel director, CEO, accountant, and all the other hats a priest has to wear today by necessity, beyond his biretta. He has 18 years in what is, we hope, a good Catholic home, with good examples and solid character formation, but where he probably doesn't take a big role in helping with the family business from an early age. Then he goes to seminary and spends 6 or 7 years learning a lot about theology and liturgy, which will, everyone hopes, ensure that he doesn't embrace one of a dozen big -ism's. He emerges from all this extremely well-equipped to teach theology and philosophy classes, fairly well-equipped to become a monastic scholar, acceptably prepared to fulfill the strictly spiritual duties of a parish priest, ministering to souls in the pulpit and the confessional, and woefully unprepared to deal with the temporal realities asked of him, to administer a modern parish, direct it's school, and so forth.

It's no surprise these perversions happen, and are allowed to continue,  in that context. It's always easier to be conservative, preserve the status quo, close the ranks, and proceed slowly, if at all, instead of taking decisive action. And a slow, deliberate, methodical approach goes hand in hand with secrecy, giving us the classic "sweep it all under the rug" approach.  A company that ran its operations thus would not survive, but the Church can get away with it because She has a monopoly on the most important product in the world: eternal salvation. Hence even if her priests are terrible, they usually don't have to tighten their belts. In the meantime though, errors and sins flourish, because the current system is much more geared toward producing good medieval parish priests (who didn't have to worry about much except teaching their flock well and  managing the housekeeper) than the bureaucrats and administrators we need today.

Obviously there's almost squat we or the SSPX can do about this nowadays, as it's a problem that can only be resolved by a complete reconversion of society and a massive flourishing of orthodox religious orders. Be that as it may, the priests are obliged to do what they can. Some of them do it reasonably well, some fall flat. I do think, however, that old fashioned aloof clericalism of the autocratic Menzingen style does not help matters at all.


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« Reply #309 on: August 10, 2016, 07:37:23 PM »
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To have never held a job, to have never been forced to be "in the world," to go directly from Momma to a life of coddling where there is always a roof and food provided and prepared by adoring parishioners makes for priests that are crippled in understanding the lives of their flocks, too often producing narcissistic punks.

I won't hold my breath for due changes in the formation of priests.


While this is not a global indictment, Our Lady of Sorrows has been saddled with two young and brash pastors. Really, what gall for a young priest who has never held a job, who has his meals cooked for him, who has a huge support network behind him, and who has no worry about paying for the roof over his head chiding parishioners about their donations... in a collapsing economy to boot. "Too busy"? Hardly. No "people skills."