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« Reply #255 on: July 27, 2016, 06:17:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: pendulum
    It is very true. ...  Unfortunately it is most probably worse than what is posted here. ... The affected children of sodomy, molestation, group masturbation are not receiving any help or counselling. These sins are spreading in the homes to the younger siblings. ...

    I have spoken to high school parents. They did seek help, their children sought help. They were ill advised and the boys remained on campus. Its my understanding that not one boy ever was suspended for one day for this behavior. So far, it is established that this has spread to 8-9th grade boys this last school year. At least one family has had an older brother affect his younger brother.

    ...The horrible actions happened on campus over two school years at least. (There was group masturbation, sodomy, molestation). ... parents confirm that it is ongoing and that many boys are participants and victims. 8-15 boys. At this time there's no telling how many [more] boys. There are many large families involved.
    Is that understandable?


    This really ticks me off. What kind of a priest/managers/employees allow this to happen on their watch?

    I have to say that none of it surprises me, the SSPX seminaries have been putting out soft men (lovers of fine cassocks, incense and bells) for at least 15 years now. Unfortunately, I can't met all these priests involved, but of the priest I have seen, none of them would have had a different outcome. Blame the seminary and ultimately the Superior General, that is where the problem begins.  

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    « Reply #256 on: July 27, 2016, 06:32:11 PM »
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  • My Goodness.
    Someone who is on this thread who constantly ask for proof also must not grasp the gravity of any of the situations.
    You wont' find all the letters you want from SSPX meeting etc.  They may end up in a law suit(or multiple).  They won't risk placing too much out there that could go against them later.
    That is the same for any injured party.  People are not going to place "proofs" that satisfy every individual on this website(there can be 20 version of what constitutes proof).  The courts and law will work things out if it comes to that.

    Sloniker
    Teenage ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity
    Mr. Populus
    The Neighboring exorcist lady

    These are brought up to show concerning patterns that if left untreated can be systemic.
    I do not think anyone was trying to connect each event to the other.  They were trying to find the common denominator linked back to SSPX practices.  Before, during, and after events/issues.
    In every instance, we see some distinct patterns with our dear SSPX handling the situations.  And they are treated very, very similarly in most chapels.  and No, there probably isn't an announcement like that in the weekly bulletin.

    Each of these issues just happen to be SSPX and in Post Falls.  They can happen anywhere. Sadly enough,  many of the same  things are happening elsewhere.


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    « Reply #257 on: July 27, 2016, 06:40:04 PM »
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    What you call evidence is hearsay. I "demanded" evidence, I got hearsay. One sided at that. I bet the story would be different among all 20 parents who pulled their boys out and I bet many parents are at odds even among themselves about what really happened.

    Now one or two have their versions online and all of a sudden this is the unequivocal objective truth.  :facepalm:




    Horse droppings!  Since October 2015 we have had all we needed to know to sound the alarm: Sloniker's confession and priests (plural) who ignored warnings. Sloniker abused about a dozen children.  How many children need be abused before you see the fire?  YOU are the type of equivocator in deep denial who made the Novus Ordo fertile ground for serial abusers and enablers.  I told you I have been to this 'rodeo' before and I have seen dozens of sanctimonious deniers and enablers like you.

    You have played victim, accused others of having reading comprehension problems when you had already admitted you had trouble composing a sentence, you proferred dozens of straw man arguments, "defeating" arguments that NOBODY had advanced, hysterics, distractions, laziness in not even reading the evidence offered.

    I can understand honest reticence in acknowledging a series of heinous scandals against children.  I do not understand dishonest straw man arguments and playing that you are the victim.

    Hmmmm.... deceitful arguments, claiming "hate" in your critics, perpetrators and enablers playing "victim"..... hmmmm... where have we seen that before? It seems that the rabbis' bag of deceits has metastasized into "traditional" circles. http://judaism.is/torah-encourages-lies.html

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    « Reply #258 on: July 27, 2016, 06:45:19 PM »
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  • I've been trying to get the point across that problems at ICC are nothing new.  Left with only a "band-aid treatment", they have gone from bad to worse.  And the "remedy" they are using for the current ICC crisis is the same one they've used for decades.

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    « Reply #259 on: July 27, 2016, 07:04:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: sansebastian16
    My Goodness.
    Someone who is on this thread who constantly ask for proof also must not grasp the gravity of any of the situations.
    You wont' find all the letters you want from SSPX meeting etc.  They may end up in a law suit(or multiple).  They won't risk placing too much out there that could go against them later.
    That is the same for any injured party.  People are not going to place "proofs" that satisfy every individual on this website(there can be 20 version of what constitutes proof).  The courts and law will work things out if it comes to that.



    I am not asking for proof. That is the ever-reasonable Mark's reading comprehension tripping you up. Hence the parentheses in my post. He believes I am "sanctimoniously demanding" evidence. His words, not mine. If you've been reading my posts enough to want to respond then you should know I am one of the few who says we don't have proof, we're not likely to get proof and it is for the better that we don't.

    Believing that hearsay of one or two versions of a parish and school-wide scandal does not constitute objective truth, is not equivalent to asking for proof.

    Reminding people to be careful what they believe because they have no proof, is not equal to asking for proof.

    Believing that it is wrong to repeat and believe wholeheartedly (for example) that Fr. Vassal thinks boys should be exposed to a little pornography -- essentially convicting him in my mind-- just because a parent reports it secondhand, is not the same as asking for proof.

    Stating that my mind is open to proof IF it should come to light, is not the same as asking for proof.

    That's the biggest problem with this entire thread. People are behaving as though they have indisputable proof when they don't and may not ever. Now what?

    I am ok with having a couple of question marks in my mind. It's life, I am getting used to it, as painful as it can be. I do what I can on my side and leave the rest to God.



     


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    « Reply #260 on: July 27, 2016, 07:36:50 PM »
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  • Ive been on 2 jury trials to convict men of murder.  The 'smoking gun', absolute 100% proof of a crime exists only on tv.  Circuмstantial evidence is what most cases are built upon.  This case has plenty of circuмstantial evidence, as well as admittance by authorities that a scandal happened.  We may never know all the details (nor do we deserve to) but we have way, way more facts than just hearsay.

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    « Reply #261 on: July 27, 2016, 08:10:55 PM »
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    Ive been on 2 jury trials to convict men of murder.  The 'smoking gun', absolute 100% proof of a crime exists only on tv.  Circuмstantial evidence is what most cases are built upon.  This case has plenty of circuмstantial evidence, as well as admittance by authorities that a scandal happened.  We may never know all the details (nor do we deserve to) but we have way, way more facts than just hearsay.


    Did you also only hear the prosecutor's side and 2 out of 20 witness testimonies?

    No one denies there was/is a scandal, that it is bad and that Fr Vassal mishandled it.

     

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    « Reply #262 on: July 27, 2016, 09:51:07 PM »
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    No one denies there was/is a scandal, that it is bad and that Fr Vassal mishandled it.


    Then why do you keep saying you're 'open to believing proof' if its shown?  Why do you keep calling things hearsay?  Do you even know what these terms mean?  

    There was a scandal.  There was silence and a lax attitude by authorities.  Said authorities are being replaced.  This is fact.  This is proof of the scandal.  This is not hearsay.

    Please read this 5x before responding.


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    « Reply #263 on: July 27, 2016, 10:39:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pax Vobis
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    No one denies there was/is a scandal, that it is bad and that Fr Vassal mishandled it.


    Then why do you keep saying you're 'open to believing proof' if its shown?  Why do you keep calling things hearsay?  Do you even know what these terms mean?  

    There was a scandal.  There was silence and a lax attitude by authorities.  Said authorities are being replaced.  This is fact.  This is proof of the scandal.  This is not hearsay.

    Please read this 5x before responding.


    I am referring to the details and specific allegations all through the thread. Have you read the thread?? What's been said -- with conviction -- about Fr. Vassal? About the boys themselves?

    "Oh Fr. Vassal thinks boys need porn."

    "Oh really?" Gasp!!

    I am going to believe that because ... who said so again?

    I believe he mishandled the scandal. I believe he didn't make it a priority. That's as far as I am letting my imagination run. I am not going to convict him of mishandling it because he is lax or careless or has a pattern of enabling sɛҳuąƖ indiscretions (as "proven" because more than one person has had serious problems in the parish over the course of years -- please.) There could be other reasons, like not really knowing what to do or not grasping the gravity or being too close to the problem to see it clearly, being lied to etc... THAT's the stuff we don't know and THAT's the stuff we shouldn't be speculating on.

    Do you not understand that anything shared in the "accounts" or in the "mailbag" is hearsay? Anything the members here have attributed to Fr. Vassal as reason for his failure is speculation? The scandal has been confirmed. That is IT. The details, the why, how, when, where, the motives, the causes, the damages etc... are ALL up for debate. They are unconfirmed. Unless you are willing to accept the testimony of whoever decided to put it up on CI as unequivocal, objective truth. And I am not. I'd have to hear the whole story, from everyone, and not-so-unfortunately, that isn't my place. Nor is it yours. Nor anyone else's here.





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    « Reply #264 on: July 28, 2016, 12:49:26 PM »
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  • What you call "reserved" is actually denial so deep that it is dangerous to children. You are so "reserved" that you won't take notice in time, much less take action in time, to prevent further crimes against children.

    In a decade of exposing and fighting the Novus Ordo pederasts and enablers, I fought dozens of "reserved" equivocators like you. You and see-nothing/do-nothing accomplices like you are part of the problem.

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    « Reply #265 on: July 28, 2016, 02:40:03 PM »
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  • Obviously neither of you have ever had anything to do with me in other threads on the topic. It is a principle in our home that our children are never alone with anyone, even our family members whom we love very much and could never imagine would do any harm to them. They also don't get much "privacy", as in their own rooms, locked doors, excess time alone, private computers/phones etc...

    I wish these were society-wide principles. But I've been bashed for that view as well. Too many people would be "offended." I really don't care. If anyone is offended, either a) they WANT time alone with my child and I'll become more suspicious of them or b) they wouldn't harm our children BUT value their own pride above a principle that keeps our children safe, therefore I don't trust their judgment 100% either. Obviously I would not say so to them directly but would simply log the observation away in my mind.

    Were we in Post Falls right now, none of our habits would have to change to protect ourselves from whatever is going on. All protections are already in place as far as is humanly possible. The rest we leave to God and our Guardian Angels.

    Also, were we in Post Falls, we'd have more direct access to the full story, probably some personal experiences about who is trustworthy in their reporting abilities, and could think and act with more conviction. Half a story vs a whole story is a concept you really have difficulty wrapping your mind around, as is direct experience vs secondhand info.
     


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    « Reply #266 on: July 28, 2016, 04:23:51 PM »
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  • As if I need to submit my CV for your kosher stamp of approval to be outspoken on these matters???

    Neither I nor any family have been abused, but having helped victims, I became an activist on the issue. I was part of a group of about 30 such Catholic activists in our diocese. As I said, I have been to this 'rodeo' before and dealt with enablers and deep deniers who cared more for the perpetrators than the victims. Indeed I am more disgusted than outraged to find "traditional" Catholics who engage in the same behavior. Surprised? No. Disgusted.

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    « Reply #267 on: July 28, 2016, 05:49:21 PM »
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  • Lest the thread gets diverted by the tired ploys of the rabbis, it is time for a recapitulation of the problems and the evidence on the SSPX series of perversion scandals and the role of SSPX priests and superiors in making themselves accomplices.

    (1) Sloniker's serial pederasty of nearly a dozen children, a problem that continued because the SSPX priests ignored warnings from one victim who was whipped and from parents and failure to recognize Sloniker's "self-circuмcision at the seminary as an early contraindication to his placement with children at camp and in the altar society;
    (2) "group masturbation, sodomy, molestation" in the chapel and school, and Fr. Vassal lying to parents about the events;
    (3) serial pedophilia by a prominent donor and parishioner, Populous;
    (4) a pattern of lying, mental reservations, poor judgment, excuses, and other enabling by the kill-the-messenger SSPX priests and superiors.

    Perhaps we should ask Matthew to memorialize the summaries and evidence in a library file with comments disabled so that the enablers cannot obscure the evidence.

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    « Reply #268 on: July 28, 2016, 06:01:32 PM »
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  • Since October 2015 we have had all we needed to know to sound the alarm: Sloniker's confession and priests (plural) who ignored warnings.

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    Coeur d’Alene man jailed, suspected of raping and abusing underage boys


    A long-haul truck driver from Coeur d’Alene who also served as a church youth camp counselor is suspected of raping and abusing underage boys in Spokane and Kootenai counties over the past decade.

    Kevin G. Sloniker, 30, faces felony charges of rape and lewd conduct involving two underage boys and is a suspect in the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of at least eight other boys, according to court docuмents. He’s being held in the Kootenai County Jail on $1 million bond.

    Sloniker met and befriended some of the boys in his role as a youth camp counselor at Immaculate Conception Church in Post Falls, according to investigative reports filed with 1st District Court in Kootenai County.

    Some of the alleged abuse occurred at Sloniker’s parents’ home in Latah, south of Spokane, and some happened when he took boys on the road with him around the Western U.S., according to court records.

    He was arrested on a warrant Sept. 14 in Menomonie, Wisconsin, and extradited to Kootenai County, where he was booked into jail Oct. 9. Sloniker is charged with two counts of felony lewd conduct and one count of felony rape. Additional charges are possible, prosecutors in Kootenai and Spokane counties say.

    Sloniker made his first court appearance Friday, when his bond was set by 1st District Magistrate Barry Watson. He does not yet have an attorney.

    In an Oct. 9 interview with police, Sloniker admitted to fondling nine boys, having oral sex with a few of them and raping one over the past 10 years. He said he wanted help for an addiction to touching young boys.

    Because Sloniker is accused of taking boys across state lines to abuse them, he also may face federal charges.

    Sloniker allegedly raped and assaulted one Coeur d’Alene boy repeatedly over the past six years, starting when the victim was about 11 years old and living near Airway Heights, according to a criminal complaint. Sloniker was a family friend and later moved in with the boy’s mother, the victim told a police detective. He also said Sloniker pressured him to bring his two cousins to Sloniker’s apartment so he could molest them as well.

    Sloniker also is charged with lewd and lascivious conduct with a 9-year-old boy from Newport, Washington. That boy told detectives Sloniker fondled him during an overnight stay at the suspect’s residence last April.

    Witnesses told investigators Sloniker liked to spend time with kids much younger than him and would buy them lavish gifts. He was involved in youth camps at Immaculate Conception Church (you know, the same guy that was kicked out of the seminary for "circuмcizing himself"), which is part of the Society of Saint Pius X, a traditionalist group with no canonical standing in the Roman Catholic Church.

    One boy said he attended the church’s Immaculate Conception Academy, and that Sloniker was involved with a group of boys who attended the K-12 school in Post Falls. Sloniker also taught boys how to be altar boys through the Guild of St. Stephen, an international organization of altar servers, investigators learned.

    Some parents told police they knew of or strongly suspected the abuse and advised others to keep their kids away from Sloniker. In some cases Sloniker lived for a time with the families of his alleged victims.

    One alleged victim told a detective that Sloniker took him on a long trip in his truck through seven Western states when the boy was between 10 and 15 years old. Sloniker sɛҳuąƖly assaulted him repeatedly during the journey, the boy stated.

    Another boy said he spent one summer at the Latah farm when he was about 12. Sloniker’s attention escalated to nightly sɛҳuąƖ abuse, and Sloniker also hit him with a whip, he told police.

    Several of those interviewed said they reported their concerns to the priests at Immaculate Conception Church. The boy who said he was whipped by Sloniker said he shared that with Father Patrick Crane. He also told the priest that Sloniker made him strip naked.

    Crane, who now is with another Society of Saint Pius X church – Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix – was interviewed by a detective Sept. 22. He said Sloniker worked with the church camp from 2003 to 2006 and that he did not have any issues with him.

    When the detective shared that one of the alleged victims said he had told Crane about Sloniker whipping him, “Crane said he remembers part of it, but it was mostly because (the boy) did not want to attend the camp.”

    Crane added that he remembers not asking Sloniker back after that, and also told the detective that if something had been brought forward, he would have said something “because this was during the time the church was being looked into for other abuse allegations across America,” the detective wrote.

    Others said they warned Father James Haynos and Father Paul Vassal at the church about Sloniker.

    Neither Vassal, the headmaster at the church, nor Crane returned calls for comment Monday.

    The detective learned that Sloniker had attended St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary, also part of the Society of St. Pius X, in Winona, Minnesota. Vassal said in an Oct. 2 interview with police that the seminary in 2005 deemed Sloniker to be mentally unstable after he tried to circuмcise himself. He was removed from the seminary program. (but was deemed appropriate as a counsellor and mentor of altar boys).

    There were no known incidents of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by Sloniker back then, Vassal told police.


    Haynos, who now lives in Kansas, told Coeur d’Alene police Detective Nicholas Lowry he was unaware of the sex abuse allegations against Sloniker. “Haynos also told me due to Sloniker’s unstable mindset he would never be put in a position in which he would be in charge of kids,” the detective wrote.

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/oct/26/coeur-dalene-man-jailed-on-1-million-bond-suspecte/

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    « Reply #269 on: July 29, 2016, 10:58:52 AM »
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    Lest the thread gets diverted by the tired ploys of the rabbis,


    What the hell, dude?  Believe it or not, it's possible to make a point without the rabbi routine. A little decorum?


    As if your accusations of "sophomoric," "obsessed," and "What the hell, dude" are decorous? Hypocrite. Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15

    The tricks of the rabbis—name-calling, diversions, straw man arguments, hypocrisy, fake accounts as a force multiplier, etc.—have been amply demonstrated by those who make themselves accomplices.