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This is one of a very short list of things that will cure the SSPX.

At this point, I fear, nothing will cure the SSPX.  Our Lady was reported to have told +Fellay, that unless he made the 2nd Rosary Crusade in 2008 for the Consecration of Russia, The SSPX was over.  It was toast.  He failed to obey Our Lady in 2006, though the Consecration had been Her desired intention then. The Holy Mother, apparently then, overlooked that failure, but warned him straitly concerning Her single intention for the 2nd Crusade.  As we know, +F ignored Her request, and made the lifting of the so-called excommunications the theme for that RC.  The rest is history.  The sspx is toast. Folks had better leave the fallen apostolate while they still can.

Likely you are correct, but perhaps a legal kick in the teeth, the associated and deserved public humiliation, and resultant closed wallets will lessen the hubris of the liars and enablers of pederasts.  Perhaps not.

To rub salt in our wounds, Fr. Crane's sermon in Phoenix today was about how parents should be putting their children in Society schools. What gall! Fr. Crane is among the ones who "allegedly" turned a deaf ear when he was warned about his parishioner and "camp counselor" pederast Sloniker.

Anyone who has children in a Society school needs to be vigilant and to teach their children to flee shrieking from any sɛҳuąƖ overtures and to immediately report the problem to mom and dad, who, in turn, should call the police, completely bypassing any liars and enablers.

Sad to say, we cannot trust the Society denials and reassurances. They have earned our mistrust.

Fr. Crane has his head in the sand.  He is on the same level as that priest that went with Pfeiffer.

I've kept quiet about a lot, but no more.

Many of you really need to pray hard and long about your original position.

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He said that its normal for 14-15 year old boys to  engage in this behavior (? I dont believe group masturbation is ever normal , let alone molestation, or sodomy, whether consensual or not)

This was one of the most disturbing parts.

So in the mind of Fr. Vassal, this behavior is normal?  I feel like he's just given us TMI (Too Much Information) about himself. How does he judge this to be normal, and does that mean to do otherwise is abnormal? Is he abnormal, or did many of his male friends and family do this as youths? Which is it?

Because pendulum is absolutely right. Group masturbation and/or sodomy among boys -- or men -- is NOT normal, at least if you restrict yourself to non-pervert, non-sodomites.

I don't know what boys or men HE's been hanging around, but that is most certainly NOT normal, not even among non-Catholics and the neo-pagans that surround us. Your typical non-Catholic young man today, adrift in the corrupt modern world, is usually guilty of self-abuse (masturbation) and/or pornography use, but that is a whole different animal from group masturbation and sodomy.

Just for starters, the sin of masturbation that many young men fall into is a PRIVATE sin, a shameful vice committed behind closed doors that only they themselves know about, and no one witnesses directly (except for their guardian angel and God).

Let me clarify
Father Vassal , at a regular end of year school business meeting, informed the parents that the boys had some behavior that he called "peek a boo" . Whether he meant flashing or what, im not sure. he wanted parents to be more vigilant perhaps. However , many parents knew that he was downplaying the real sɛҳuąƖ abuses that had occurred. There was lots of shock and anger. He called the "peek a boo" stuff "normal" for the age group.
Sorry I wasn't clearer.
The real problem isnt ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. It is the sex abuse and resulting perversion. These can lead to pornography addiction, self abuse, molestation, future infidelity etc. There probably should have been a strong high school parents meeting two years ago. Open communication of parents and children. Counselling with professionals etc.

Its so hard to be clear.
The horrible actions happened on campus over two school years atleast. (There was group masturbation, sodomy, molestation). In the parents meeting father downplayed all the actions to something he called "peek a boo" which he called "normal" . I suppose he meant pubescent playing around and vulgarity? Not sure.
The campaign now is to downplay everything to one or two boys who are long ago graduated. They're  are trying to say there is no ongoing problem at the school.  But parents confirm that it is ongoing and that many boys are participants and victims. 8-15 boys. At this time theres no telling how many boys. There are many large families involved.
Is that understandable?

I found out today that another parishioner from IC was just arrested for child molestion.

Thirteen arrested in sting targeting child rapists in Spokane County


By Chad Sokol
chadso@spokesman.com
(509) 459-5047


Thirteen people have been arrested in Spokane County in a major sting operation targeting would-be child rapists.

Nine of the suspects appeared in Spokane County Superior Court Monday afternoon and four had hearings last week. Most responded to a Craigslist ad posted by detectives from the Missing and Exploited Children Task Force, a division of the Washington State Patrol. Some posted their own ads seeking sex with children.

Sgt. Carlos Rodriguez posted the ad posing as a mother of three. He claimed to have 6- and 11-year-old daughters and a 12-year-old son and said they would participate in sex acts in exchange for gifts.

“We base our personas on people we have actually come into contact with,” Rodriguez said. “There’s really only one way to say it: They’re raping children.”


More than 1,000 people responded to the ad in about 20 days, he said. When a respondent seemed intent on committing a crime, detectives continued conversations through emails, texts and phone calls. Female detectives played the voices of a mother and daughter and arranged meetings with the suspects.

“I’ve got more people trying to meet with me right now,” Rodriguez said. “If I sit here and respond to every one, I could average two arrests a day. The concerning thing is that everywhere that we’ve gone, that’s been consistent. Two a day.”

The task force has conducted similar operations in Pierce, Snohomish and Kitsap counties in the past year. The Spokane County investigation brings the total number of sting arrests to about 40, Rodriguez said.

Public defenders, meanwhile, questioned whether the suspects would have committed crimes without coaxing from the detectives.

“The issue is who initiated it,” said Anna Timberlake, who represented three of the suspects in a hearing Monday. “Would these things be initiated were it not for undercover cops?”

Previously, the task force devoted most of its resources to custodial issues, Rodriguez said. The sting operations are a more “proactive” way to bring justice to sex offenders.

Still, he said, it’s impossible to arrest everyone who takes the bait. The two-member task force covers the whole state.

“When you think of task forces, you think of 10 or 15 people going out and getting bad guys,” he said. “Unfortunately, right now, it’s just me and my partner.”

With such little manpower of its own, the task force teamed with more than 30 other investigators from local, state and federal law enforcement agencies.

Of the 13 suspects arrested in Spokane County, only one, Robert Dahms, of Post Falls, is a registered sex offender.

“That’s 12 other people who were trying to rape kids and we didn’t know it,” Rodriguez said.

The first two suspects were arrested July 6, and the last five were arrested Sunday. Their names, and the charges they face, are as follows:

Tim McManis, 51, of Spokane. Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape.

Sandra McManis, 47, of Spokane. Second-degree attempted child rape.

Robert Dahms, 50, of Post Falls. First-degree attempted child rape.

Jason Borseth, 36, of Metaline Falls, Washington. Commercial sex abuse of a minor; first-degree attempted child rape; possession of methamphetamine.

Sean Stevenson, 29, of Spokane. Commercial sex abuse of a minor; two counts of first-degree attempted child rape; second-degree attempted child rape.

Christopher Luman, 54, of Yakima. Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape.

Mechel Fredrick, 26, of Post Falls. First-degree attempted child rape.

Steven Hunt, 58, of Spokane. First-degree attempted child rape.

Joseph Siria, 32, of Spokane. First-degree attempted child rape.

Reggie Oliver, 36, of Spokane. Second-degree attempted child rape.

Eduardo Populus, 56, of Post Falls. Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape.

Glenn Hampton, 47, of Spokane. Second-degree attempted child rape.

Thomas Bramblee, 29, of Spirit Lake, Idaho. Second-degree attempted child rape.

In court hearings Monday, Judge Gregory Sypolt ordered the suspects held on bonds ranging from $40,000 to $100,000. Prosecutors noted previous felony convictions and said some of the suspects work or live with children.

Rodriguez said he doesn’t know if the sting will result in more arrests.

“It’s just resources,” he said. “If we had more people doing what we’re doing, it would be different.”

The task force is a unique government entity in that it can receive private donations. Rodriguez urges people to give directly to the task force or to Operation Underground Railroad, a nonprofit that works against child abuse internationally.

PUBLISHED: JULY 11, 2016, 11:21 A.M.