Just once, I'd like to get a memo from a priest explaining what his thought processes were.

Perhaps he is thinking:

"I have special knowledge to know this is not really a sin".  To think this way he would have to hold no faith in Church teachings. Why wouldn't some such person join the N.O. where he'd have plenty of camouflage?

or

"I'll just go to confession in a few days". ("Brave" man that).

It would appear there would be at least 3 separate grave sins involved. The wretched act itself.  The degradation of an innocent. The scandal to the faithful who are presently making some strenuous efforts to discern the truth.

Are the priests involved aware of the fact that absolving one's own partner in a sinful act is a sin who's absolution is reserved to the Holy See?

That could be a real problem for a sede priest, and possibly a major problem for even a SSPX priest.

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While you two have at each other, I might get a little practical here by pointing out that a solution for this type of thing was perfected in the days of the Plantagenet King Edward II-solved the problem immediately and completely.

Tossed out a very high window—"defenestration"—if I recall correctly.

Well, the story that was whispered for years after his death has been subject to a lot of claims of untruth in the modern era, but it persists.  Of course, it would be very offensive to the sodomite historians who are everywhere.

No windows were involved, just a red-hot piece of metal that ended up in an uncomfortable place that the king had previously used for disgusting purposes.   The implement continued on shredding and frying intestines and anything else in its way.  I hesitate to get any more specific.
 

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It is still being withheld from the parents of the involved children. Of the few parents who have been told by other parents that their child is involved, there is mostly denial. The affected children of sodomy, molestation, group masturbation are not receiving any help or counselling. These sins are spreading in the homes to the younger siblings. The parents of most all the school children of all grades have no idea of the widespread affect that has spread over the last two years. At the most recent parent meeting, parents were told by father this was "normal" pubescent behavior, "imprudent" but "not really mortal sin".

Pray for the people of post falls. We just want to protect the children.

This is completely mind-boggling to me!

Edit: I just had to re-read what pendulum wrote...when you say "parents were told by father" did you mean FATHER VASSAL or a FATHER of a child accused of molesting a fellow student??

If there was a PRIEST at the parents meeting who said that boy-on-boy mutual masturbation is "normal" and "not really mortal sin" then HE needs to be run out of the place on a rail - POST HASTE!
 
If there were parents at the parents meeting who said that boy-on-boy mutual masturbation is "normal" and "not really mortal sin" then THEY need to be run out of the place on a rail along WITH the priests!

It's actually ILLEGAL. It called sɛҳuąƖ abuse. These things happen in public schools too, on campus, and those kids get arrested and end up on the local evening news around here.

Whoever this group of parents is, if they really want to stop this train of perversion, they need to make good on their threat to issue a public statement and/or lawsuit and be specific.

Exactly.  It appears that pendulum is the only poster who has witnessed actual events (parents' meeting) connected with the allegations. Unfortunately, the inconsistencies in his post raises more questions than it answers. And still no response when asked to clarify.

Until the parents issue their promised communique it's as reasonable (and probably more prudent) to doubt as it is to believe.

Is this scandal actually true or not

You post TWICE in the main thread saying basically the same thing.

Then you start a new topic, as if the foregoing actions weren't enough.

Why are you so anxious, upset, or impatient about this? Why does it matter to you so much?


We have several members from Post Falls on CathInfo, and none of them has said, "WTF? This is all made up nonsense. I haven't heard about anything close to this going on."

Thing is I hope this is not covered up if true.  Catholic morality is clear that things like this must be spread( , the news of it, ) to safeguard the welfare of others.  It's not detraction to warn of grave dangers to others safety.  We need to see if parents release a statement.  This is so sad

Unfortunately I am still new to posting on this forum.

Unfortunately the involved parents havent released their letter.

Unfortunately the story hasn't hit the public news papers because pressing multiple neglect charges and gathering statements etc. take time.

This post has only been open a few days.

The people and parents of post falls have been trying to find the truth for over two years and this right on the heels of the sloniker abuses. All parents are wondering which families are affected, which arent , and which families are in denial .  

My child is young. I am not a high school parent. I was at the parent meeting led by Fr Vassal where he contradicted himself multiple times and continued to tell us parents that all of these incidents are in the past.

He said that its normal for 14-15 year old boys to  engage in this behavior (? I dont believe group masturbation is ever normal , let alone molestation, or sodomy, whether consensual or not)

Next was said all those boys involved graduated two years previously (which would have made them 17-18 years old which is past his "normal". Also it wasn't true because teachers and parents have continuously been coming for help for their boys (of various high school ages) in the subsequent years).

He stated that maybe one incident happened on campus. I know many incidents happened in at least three locations two years ago, and last year the boys were given an unsupervised locker room.

I have spoken to high school parents. They did seek help, their children sought help. They were ill advised and the boys remained on campus. Its my understanding that not one boy ever was suspended for one day for this behavior. So far, it is established that this has spread to 8-9th grade boys this last school year. At least one family has had an older brother affect (molest?) his younger brother.

These boys have been neglected following the sloniker scandal. They have been neglected.  They have been neglected by the school faculty who refused in interfere and provide safety for the boys seeking help.
Currently there is impure touching (crotch grabbing, tittie twisters, humping (rubbing genitals on others)) Im embarassed just writing this. All of these offenses are suspension in the public school system.

"The problem of passing from unbelief to belief is that belief necessitates action"

My action is to remove my child from school. Ica will not get any money from our family till this problem is eradicated. (How?, I dont know) (f.y.I. The school has roughly 200 students, roughly 40 or which are high schoolers. There is no way of knowing how many elementary level children have been affected by older relatives)

The parents here do not want to believe.

The sspx has been given the opportunity to remove the priest and help the children, and the families will remain quiet to lower the scandal. The sspx response has been along the lines of - people will not dictate to Menzingen. So fr vassal will stay and scandal will tear us and our church family apart.

I am so proud of and pray for these boys and families who are willing to come forward to seek help and stop these abuses. I can only pray that all families open their eyes and hearts and seek the truth from the many families willing to talk.

The letter will come, its in formation. These things take time. Lawyers are helping. The police have their investigation. All we can do is pray and spread the word as the sspx is trying to downplay the situation.

That letter has to be released.  SSPX cover ups are inexcusable and probably illegal

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Next was said all those boys involved graduated two years previously (which would have made them 17-18 years old which is past his "normal". Also it wasn't true because teachers and parents have continuously been coming for help for their boys (of various high school ages) in the subsequent years).

He stated that maybe one incident happened on campus. I know many incidents happened in at least three locations two years ago, and last year the boys were given an unsupervised locker room.

Someone needs to do a check to see if any of the ICA grads are at any seminaries or working jobs in contact with children.

When Fr Vassal says this is normal for boys does that mean he was like this in his youth?  And those who don't engage are.....abnormal?

This is very disturbing