Author Topic: Sodomy Scandal in Post Falls, ID - SSPX Immaculate Conception Academy (Read 187693 times)

klasG4e · « **Reply #135 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:24:41 PM »

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The SSPX must cease its "kill the messenger" approach to conflicts and unwelcome news.

Not to change the subject, but that certainly reminds of what happened to a certain bishop who had the temerity to speak up about the h0Ɩ0h0αx.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #136 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:27:33 PM »

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Mark 79 said:
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The SSPX must cease its "kill the messenger" approach to conflicts and unwelcome news.

Not to change the subject, but that certainly reminds of what happened to a certain bishop who had the temerity to speak up about the h0Ɩ0h0αx.

Exactly! It is the commissariat's reflexive response to anything and everything unwelcome.

The fish is rotting from the head down.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #137 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:42:09 PM »

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Maybe Hollingsworth can find that out. I have no idea if he is the janitor. If he is, that would explain plenty about the boys at the academy and what is allegedly going down.

The only thing I know is that the Populus family has been there at ICC for decades.

Only one thing I can confirm: The Populus family has been around ICC for a long time. I really didn't know him except to say HI. They got him in a sting operation, which apparently had nothing to do with the ICA affair.

wallflower · « **Reply #138 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:43:54 PM »

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I think the only statements that are relevant and need to be made are to the police and to the attorneys representing the families. The law will take it from there. Obviously, there are minors involved. If it turns out adults have had an active part then let them be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I may be in a minority here but I agree with you that while substantiation is needed, it must be balanced with discretion for the sake of the boys involved and affected. Adults don't deserve any privacy when caught committing crimes against children or enabling them in any way, but I think it becomes trickier when dealing with children/young adults among themselves.

covet truth · « **Reply #139 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:50:59 PM »

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I think the only statements that are relevant and need to be made are to the police and to the attorneys representing the families. The law will take it from there. Obviously, there are minors involved. If it turns out adults have had an active part then let them be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

The US justice system works so well, maybe Hillary will ask Fr. Crane or Fr. Vassal to be her running mate.

If you have no faith in our justice system then how do you propose that laws be enforced?

covet truth · « **Reply #140 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:57:46 PM »

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I think the only statements that are relevant and need to be made are to the police and to the attorneys representing the families. The law will take it from there. Obviously, there are minors involved. If it turns out adults have had an active part then let them be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I may be in a minority here but I agree with you that while substantiation is needed, it must be balanced with discretion for the sake of the boys involved and affected. Adults don't deserve any privacy when caught committing crimes against children or enabling them in any way, but I think it becomes trickier when dealing with children/young adults among themselves.

Thank you! I'm a bit surprised by the lack of prudence in people's remarks; not to mention charity for the affected families. It's not helping the situation at all.

wallflower · « **Reply #141 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:04:15 PM »

The expose by parents of ICA has everything to do with this thread because that is what will substantiate this entire thread. Unless I missed something, which is very possible, none of this has been substantiated with any kind of public acknowledgements which is why it is so important for the parents to come out with it.

However, I wonder how this can be done without exposing the boys themselves? If the parents put their names to a docuмent, last names would give way to a lot of speculation about which boys are involved. I believe that if this was/is a problem among the boys themselves, then the actions needed to correct them should stay between the parents and priests. I don't believe the parish is OWED an expose by the priests, so I am not 100% convinced that Fr. Vassal is entirely in the wrong by being a bit tight-lipped about it. I am not saying he has acted perfectly nor am I denying that some SSPX priests kill the messengers. He may indeed need to be exposed himself for handling it very badly, I don't know. I just think that for having no concrete information, we as a community are gobbling up whatever is being thrown at us a little too quickly.

There is a line between need-to-know and morbid curiosity and some people seem to be treading it. That's all my comments mean. I think it isn't helping that there are several different topics converging, some relating to the SSPX itself and certain priests and others relating to adult pedophiles and would-be pedophiles, as well as boys and their private sins. People are not separating their thoughts or reactions from one story to the next.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #142 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:04:23 PM »

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"... let us strive on to finish the work we are in", which IMO is that of saving our own soul, the souls of those who are in our direct care, and praying for those leaders whom God has placed over us, that they might make wise and prudent decisions while hopefully being inspired by the Holy Ghost?

If by the "leaders whom God has placed over us" you are referring to SSPX District Superiors (e.g. Fr. Wegner) who have no ordinary jurisdiction, then in what manner has God placed them over us?

Or, if you mean the prior of ICC/A Fr. Vassal, in what way has God placed him over the members of CathInfo?

But in any case, how does hiring and/or retaining and/or tolerating the presence of Mr. Sloniker and/or Populus constitute any manner of "wise and prudent decision" even if without regard to inspiration of the Holy Ghost?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #143 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:11:57 PM »

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I think the only statements that are relevant and need to be made are to the police and to the attorneys representing the families. The law will take it from there. Obviously, there are minors involved. If it turns out adults have had an active part then let them be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

The US justice system works so well, maybe Hillary will ask Fr. Crane or Fr. Vassal to be her running mate.

If you have no faith in our justice system then how do you propose that laws be enforced?

Even without a television I managed to learn that the justice system in which you have so much confidence declined recently to prosecute a powerful (and satanic) woman though she had been proven to have committed numerous crimes, including crimes that resulted in the death of several people.

Though I was a traditionalist I was an activist against the pederasts in our then Novus Ordo diocese. I am personally aware of proven cases of pederasty that the DA never prosecuted. I personally reported one of those cases to the Asst. D.A. Not even an investigation resulted. The perpetrator in that case so brutally sodomized the victim that the victim needed emergency rectal surgery... and the perpetrator? Having never seen the inside of a police car, much less a jail cell, the perpetrator is living with his catamite in their Hawaiian condo.

I have heard plenty of priest perpetrators and enablers cry for "charity" as the quietist enablers here have. I have plenty of reasons to scoff at your "trust the justice system" shuck. As I told the other enabler, I have seen this rodeo before.

Matthew · « **Reply #144 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:12:45 PM »

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@Matthew, I can understand frustration. I think everyone in their lives experiences this as some point or another. But this is only due to a lack of resignation to the will of God. Frustration stems from being upset or annoyed about something that we want changed or something that we believe/feel should be done/handled differently.

We must realize that the only control we have in our lives is control of our own thoughts and actions. To be able to change something outside of ourselves, we would have to have dominion over it in some way, be that physical force, financial choices, or intellectual manipulation. And then at that point, we are no longer being docile to the will of God but trying to foist what we believe His will to be on others.

You talk of 'holding out hope' for a 'current sinner' implying that the sinner is the SSPX, but in reality, isn't the Catholic church also guilty of being a sinner that we hold out hope for as well?

Also, there is currently only 1 convicted criminal, Kevin Sloniker, where as Populus is an alleged criminal having not been tried and convicted.

1. You're saying that children being sodomized and victimized, and parents being deceived by their priests, could be the Will of God? His permissive will at best! We are always free to oppose sin and evil, even if God allows men to sin and do evil.

2. So we're some kind of aggressive control freaks borderline going against God's Will, because we have a problem with a sodomy cover-up/scandal at a Traditional Catholic school? That's rich.

3. Actually, the Catholic Church has a greater claim on our charity than the SSPX. The SSPX can be cut down and cast into the fire, so to speak. The Catholic Church holds the promise of Christ, and will last until the end of time. The SSPX is but a branch of that Church, with no jurisdiction or authority over any of us. It is only a lifeboat which we can reject for any reason. We can't reject the Catholic Church in the same manner, unless we want to live in Hell forever.

But of course, for many SSPX-ers, the SSPX *is* the Catholic Church. They mix the two up. If a person leaves the SSPX, they believe the person is leaving the Church (I've actually heard this at my local San Antonio SSPX chapel). I attend the Resistance, and some old parishioners think I've left the Church!

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According to court docuмents, detectives asked Eduardo Populus if he had ever "done this before" (referring to sɛҳuąƖ activities with underage girls), to which detectives say Eduardo responded, "The taboo side? Yes."

Detectives told KHQ they had nearly 1,000 people show interest in having sex with children ages 6-13 in online ads, but only 13 of that nearly 1,000 actually showed up to meet. Detectives also added that of those 13, only one was a repeat offender."

Case No: 161026525 - POPULUS, EDUARDO 03/24/1960

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Charges COUNT 1:CHILD RAPE-1D-ATTEMPT, COUNT 2:CHILD RAPE-1D-ATTEMPT
Case Type Criminal
Case File Date 07/11/2016
Court Superior Court
Case Status CMPL-07/11/2016
Arraignment Hearing: 07/19/2016

I'd say it's morally certain he's guilty of this crime. No need to give him any benefit of the doubt here.

I tell you what, I'd never get caught in a pedophile sting operation! You know why? I don't pursue young boys/girls in any manner, online or offline! For that matter, I don't worry about DEA drug stings, because I don't buy or use drugs. This isn't one of those "it could happen to anyone" misfortunes, like getting framed. This man showed up thinking he was about to have his way sɛҳuąƖly with a child!

Populus has made the newspapers. His name is already public.

So you are quibbling about semantics. My point was that these men are already public figures; they have already destroyed their own reputations by their crimes (before God and/or men).

covet truth · « **Reply #145 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:14:49 PM »

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I think the only statements that are relevant and need to be made are to the police and to the attorneys representing the families. The law will take it from there. Obviously, there are minors involved. If it turns out adults have had an active part then let them be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

The US justice system works so well, maybe Hillary will ask Fr. Crane or Fr. Vassal to be her running mate.

If you have no faith in our justice system then how do you propose that laws be enforced?

Even without a television I managed to learn that the justice system in which you have so much confidence declined recently to prosecute a powerful (and satanic) woman though she had been proven to have committed numerous crimes, including crimes that resulted in the death of several people.

Though I was a traditionalist I was an activist against the pederasts in our then Novus Ordo diocese. I am personally aware of proven cases of pederasty that the DA never prosecuted. I personally reported one of those cases to the Asst. D.A. Not even an investigation resulted. The perpetrator in that case so brutally sodomized the victim that the victim needed emergency rectal surgery... and the perpetrator? Having never seen the inside of a police car, much less a jail cell, the perpetrator is living with his catamite in their Hawaiian condo.

I have heard plenty of priest perpetrators and enablers cry for "charity" as the quietist enablers here have. I have plenty of reasons to scoff at your "trust the justice system" shuck. As I told the other enabler, I have seen this rodeo before.

I didn't claim to trust the justice system either but what do you suggest as alternative?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #146 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:20:55 PM »

Get the facts in writing and put irresistible pressure on the accomplices and enablers. Wide spread publicity. Closed wallets.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #147 on:** July 13, 2016, 06:01:51 PM »

I just read Spokesman article of 7/11/16. I have confirmed from folks in Post Falls that this is the Eduardo Populus, whose family has been in PF for decades. The charge, as reported in the newspaper, is "Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape."
Apparently, Mr. Populus has been a custodian at that sspx parish. For how long I don't know. But it occurs to me that his story may just coincidentally dovetail with the sordid ICA affair. Populus may have had nothing to do with the ICA scandal. It just happened, unfortunately for him and his family, that his arrest for alleged sɛҳuąƖ crimes came out at the peak of revelations about the boys' school. That he should be an employee of the parish school does not necessarily mean that he himself is connected in any way the affair. Any thoughts?

Matthew · « **Reply #148 on:** July 13, 2016, 06:09:01 PM »

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I just read Spokesman article of 7/11/16. I have confirmed from folks in Post Falls that this is the Eduardo Populus, whose family has been in PF for decades. The charge, as reported in the newspaper, is "Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape."
Apparently, Mr. Populus has been a custodian at that sspx parish. For how long I don't know. But it occurs to me that his story may just coincidentally dovetail with the sordid ICA affair. Populus may have had nothing to do with the ICA scandal. It just happened, unfortunately for him and his family, that his arrest for alleged sɛҳuąƖ crimes came out at the peak of revelations about the boys' school. That he should be an employee of the parish school does not necessarily mean that he himself is connected in any way the affair. Any thoughts?

Sure. It's quite simple.

It's like Joe Smith is undergoing a trial for bank robbery, but during the trial the IRS gets involved because Joe Smith is guilty of tax fraud.

It doesn't make him look very HONEST, now, does it? Finding out that a Bank Robbery defendant is guilty of tax fraud certainly makes him seem a bit more dishonest, and thus more likely to be guilty.

But you're right -- the cases aren't connected -- just part of a pattern.

wallflower · « **Reply #149 on:** July 13, 2016, 06:22:05 PM »

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I just read Spokesman article of 7/11/16. I have confirmed from folks in Post Falls that this is the Eduardo Populus, whose family has been in PF for decades. The charge, as reported in the newspaper, is "Two counts of first-degree attempted child rape."
Apparently, Mr. Populus has been a custodian at that sspx parish. For how long I don't know. But it occurs to me that his story may just coincidentally dovetail with the sordid ICA affair. Populus may have had nothing to do with the ICA scandal. It just happened, unfortunately for him and his family, that his arrest for alleged sɛҳuąƖ crimes came out at the peak of revelations about the boys' school. That he should be an employee of the parish school does not necessarily mean that he himself is connected in any way the affair. Any thoughts?

Sure. It's quite simple.

It's like Joe Smith is undergoing a trial for bank robbery, but during the trial the IRS gets involved because Joe Smith is guilty of tax fraud.

It doesn't make him look very HONEST, now, does it? Finding out that a Bank Robbery defendant is guilty of tax fraud certainly makes him seem a bit more dishonest, and thus more likely to be guilty.

But you're right -- the cases aren't connected -- just part of a pattern.

Of course it's part of a pattern. A pattern of many, many people indulging in sɛҳuąƖ deviancies. You could go to any parish and find this "pattern" to some degree.

But if you think that Mr Populus, whose deviancy just came to light, just now, as a pedophile interested in little girls is part of a pattern of Fr. Vassal lying to parents about sodomy at the boys school, -- I am sorry to say, this is not your most reasonable day.

To address your previous post, no I don't think the thread should have been withheld and swept under the rug. I just think people should make it clear in their minds and comments that they are working with a LOT of hearsay. A few grains of salt and reserved judgments (until more facts emerge) would not be out of order.