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Society of St. Pius X General Chapter Statement
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2012, 04:01:09 PM »
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    • http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10251
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    From Bishop Tissier’s biography of Archbishop Lefebvre, pp. 547-8. The Pope must be having a feeling of déjà vu (in part).

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    On July 14 [1987], Cardinal Ratzinger received Archbishop Lefebvre at the Holy Office . . . before talking about concessions, the Cardinal made a threat: the consequence of an illicit episcopal consecration would be "schism and excommunication".

    "Schism?" retorted the Archbishop. "If there is a schism, it is because of what the Vatican did at Assisi and how you replied to our Dubia [on Religious Liberty]; the Church is breaking with the traditional Magisterium. But the Church against her past and her Tradition is not the Catholic Church; this is why being excommunicated by an ecuмenical, liberal, and revolutionary Church is a matter of indifference to us."

    . . . Joseph Ratzinger gave in: "Let us find a practical solution. Make a moderate declaration on the Council and the new missal a bit like the one Jean Guitton has suggested to you. Then, we would give you a bishop for ordinations, we could work out an arrangement with the diocesan bishops, and you could continue as you are doing. Ask for a Cardinal Protector, make your suggestions."

    . . . Rome was giving in! But his [Lefebvre’s] penetrating faith went to the very heart of the Cardinal’s rejection of doctrine. He said to himself: "So, must Jesus no longer reign? Is Jesus no longer God? Rome has lost the Faith. Rome is in apostasy. We can no longer trust this lot!" To the Cardinal he said:
         
    "Eminence, even if you give us everything – a bishop, some autonomy from the bishops, the 1962 liturgy, allow us to continue our seminaries – we cannot work together because we are going in different directions. You are working to dechristianize society and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them.
           
    "For us our Lord Jesus Christ is everything. He is our life. The Church is our Lord Jesus Christ; the priest is another Christ; the Mass is the triumph of Jesus Christ on the cross;  in our seminaries everything tends towards the reign of our Lord Jesus Christ. But you! You are doing the opposite: you have just wanted to prove to me that our Lord Jesus Christ cannot, and must not, reign over society." (Archbishop Lefebvre, notes from the interview.)
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    « Reply #31 on: July 20, 2012, 04:08:27 PM »
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    • Whilst certainly pro-Fellay and dismissive of Krahgate until very recently, Sarto as they call him makes good points here.

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    Clemens Maria and Bertha have managed to articulate very well what I too feel about the current situation.

    I haven't been commenting much lately because, frankly, I'm beginning to get (for want of a better word) Fellay Fatigue syndrome.

    I'm just utterly, utterly sick of all this nonsense. And no matter how much one hopes and prays for something that will throw light on the situation and allow souls to see some home-truths, even not very pleasant ones, it never comes.

    The SSPX in turmoil, Menzingen punishing the best priests and rewarding the most mediocre and worldly ones. That's definite. Anything more about what's going on behind the scenes, we're to be kept in the dark as much as possible.

    And in the meantime we wait. Nothing. Just deadline after deadline, press release after press release, each one as boring, pointless and instantly forgettable as the last. Interview after interview, all of which purport to be about the things we all want to hear, but which are done by lackey-sycophant interviewers, ask soft-ball questions, and don't even properly answer even them. Talk of "road maps" and soppy, teenage-girl-crush-like stuff about how wonderful the Pope is.

    The SSPX has work to be getting on with. Even if it definitely decided not to enter into any agreement for the rest of this Pontificate (and it isn't definitely confirmed that we're past that danger) this has all still had a hugely negative effect on the SSPX overall. There is work that the SSPX needs to be getting on with, which ought to be seen as far more important that all this stuff.

    And let's not be lulled by all these PC/management-speak press releases and interviews. Read and re-read Abp. Lefebvre, don't let yourself go soft. Remember the Dominicans and Fransiscans - what happened to their ordinations? That is an injustice which still cries out, and all the waffly interviews in the world won't make me fotget it.


    Very few are lulled by these "PC/management-speak press releases and interviews" and this is a constant problem for Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.Some coloured chap once had a song called 'Don't Believe The Hype'.
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    « Reply #32 on: July 20, 2012, 04:09:41 PM »
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    There is work that the SSPX needs to be getting on with, which ought to be seen as far more important that all this stuff.


    I also agree with Sarto here on this point.
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