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SOCIETY OF SAINT PIUS X, FROM D.R.B.O. WEBSITE
« on: July 19, 2018, 11:42:42 AM »
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  • By The Publisher on July 29 2018
     
    INTRODUCTION

    About 1970, seminarians approached Archbishop Lefebvre and said they needed a new seminary because the Roman seminaries were teaching a new religion, the religion of Vatican II, which is not Catholic. So, Lefebvre founded the SSPX with the approval of the local bishop. Obviously, the SSPX was dedicated to the preservation of the traditional Catholic Faith. The SSPX is a missionary society and operates independently from the local bishops using supplied jurisdiction. The SSPX steadily grew to become a worldwide organization operating in many countries. The current website is SSPX.ORG.

    In 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops for the preservation of the SSPX, precisely because Rome was refusing to provide the SSPX with any bishops. Lefebvre did this without the approval of Rome. It was called "operation survival". Rome was angry about this and claimed that Lefebvre incurred the "grave penalty of excommunication in Pope John Paul II's letter: "Ecclesia Dei".

    However, the excommunication for abuse of episcopal powers (canon 1382) was not incurred because:

    • A person who violates a law out of necessity is not subject to a penalty (1983 Code of Canon Law, canon 1323, §4), even if there is no state of necessity.
    • If one inculpably thought there was a necessity, he would not incur the penalty (canon 1323, 70).
    • If one culpably thought there was a necessity, he would still incur no automatic penalties (canon 1324, §3; §1, 80).

    Did Lefebvre think there was a state of necessity? Yes, because he said:

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    Rome has lost the Faith.  Rome is in apostasy.  Rome has left the Church.

    For a good explanation about what is wrong with Vatican II, listen to what Fr. Hesse says about Vatican II or read one of the two books written by Archbisop Lefebvre:

    • "I Accuse The Council".
    • "They Have Uncrowned Him".

    The SSPX is not in schism, because it accepts the Roman papacy. Disobedience alone does not place a person in schism. For many years, the SSPX had been the only traditional group, which did not require its priests to accept Vatican II, the New Mass and the 1983 Code of Canon Law. In February 1991, Lefebvre said what separated SSPX from Rome.

    Recently, a new traditional group has been founded in Avrille, France, to preserve the Faith, precisely because the SSPX has lost the Faith. The new group is the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary.


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    THE NEW SSPX
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    After the death of Lefebvre, in 1991, things started to change in the SSPX headquarters.

    In 1996, GREC was formed to find a way to integrate the SSPX into Rome, primarily by avoiding the discussion of Church doctrines.

    In 2012. A Doctrinal Declaration was presented to Rome by the SSPX superior general, Bishop Fellay, for the purpose of being reconciled with Rome. Rome refused to sign it, probably because the three other SSPX bishops were opposed to an agreement with Rome. Perhaps Rome wants the whole SSPX under its authority, not just part of the SSPX. This saved the SSPX from committing ѕυιcιdє, because the Doctrinal Declaration accepted (1) Vatican II, (2) the New Mass, (3) the 1983 Code of Canon Law.

    Now it was obvious that Fellay was trying to take the SSPX in the opposite direction of Archbishop Lefebvre, who said in 1987, even if Rome gives us everything we want, We will not collaborate.  Rome is trying to de-Christianize civilization.

    Later in 2012, Bishop Fellay expelled Bishop Willianson, because Williamson was speaking out against an agreement with Rome. During the next six years, we watched Fellay expell many priests who were speaking out against merging with Rome. Other priests were sent to operate in remote locations, because they were opposed to an agreement.


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    DECEPTION IN NEW SSPX
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    By 2018, we have been watching the new direction of the SSPX for six years. We have been getting a steady stream of deception as follows: (1) Fellay has joyfully accepted the freeing of the Latin Mass [it was never done away with]. (2) He has gladly accepted the lifting of the excommunications of the four SSPX bishops [they were never excommunicated]. (3) He has accepted permission to hear confessions and grant marriages [SSPX already had this through supplied jurisdiction]. One would think that Fellay is cooperating with the Romans to make it look like Rome is no longer the enemy of tradition.

    DECPTION #4: Bishop Fellay said Rome is giving us all we need for reconciliation. What is there to want from Rome? The condemnation of all Vatican II docuмents and the condemnation of the New Mass. However, Bishop Fellay is not asking for this.


    DECPTION #6: The New SSPX is saying that the purpose of the SSPX is the formation of priests, but Rome had never stopped forming priests. So, what was the state of necessity that required Lefebvre to the consecrate four bishops in 1988? Logical conclusion: the New SSPX does not want us to remember what the state of necessity was all about.

    DECPTION #7: The SSPX claims that they can do a better job of bringing Rome back to tradition from within. This is very naive. It has forgotten that the 9 other formerly traditional groups, who reconciled with Rome, are no longer traditional.

    DECPTION #8: The SSPX no longer calls Rome the Conciliar Church, now it's called the Visible Church. Logical conclusion: the SSPX does not want us to know that Rome has a new religion, the religion of Vatican II.

    DECPTION #9: The New SSPX is saying that Rome will let them continue as they are. So who is stopping SSPX from continuing as they are? Nobody. Archbishop Lefebvre said in 1987 that even if Rome gives us everything we want, "we will not collaborate. Rome is trying to de-Christianize civilization." Logical conclusion: the New SSPX has decided that it needs permission from Rome to continue operating, supplied jurisdiction is not good enough.

    MORE DECPTIONS: The new superior general of the SSPX, Fr. Pagliarani, has demonstrated, in his first interview (July 13 2018), that he is embracing the new attitude of the SSPX. He said: (1) when Rome realizes that the SSPX has something to offer, then the reconciliation will happen, (2) the purpose of the SSPX is the formation of priests who persevere in HOLINESS, (3) the solution to the problems in the SSPX is UNITY. [Just obey and be nice?]

    Wrong. The correct answers are as follows: (1) when Rome condemns Vatican II and returns to the traditional Catholic Faith, then we will consider a reconciliation, (2) The purpose of the SSPX is to form priests who persevere in the TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC FAITH, (3) The solution to the division in the SSPX is to stop all the deception, stop expelling priests who are critical of Rome, and return to the goals set by Archbishop Lefebvre.

    CHANGE IN STATUTES: The SSPX has changed its statues to allow for two additional assistants to the superior general, Bishop Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger. So now there are five at the top. Both Fellay and Schmidberger are liberal and experienced in dealing with Rome. Do you see the problem here? Fr. Pagliarani can work on public relations, while Fellay and Schmidberger can work behind the scenes to hasten an agreement with Rome. See this letter by Fr. Girouard (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-girouard's-analysis-of-new-office-of-general-councillor-in-sspx/for his analysis of the situation.


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    SSPX WANTS A MONOPOLY
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    Now the New SSPX is attacking the Resistance (those faithful who want to follow Lefebvre and are opposed to an agreement with Rome). The rector, in Saint Marys KS, said, "What is there to resist? The Resistance people are making rash judgements." Obviously, he doesn't know much about the Resistance or he doesn't realize the SSPX is going in the wrong direction.

    The SSPX has denounced the consecration of Bishop Faure, however, Bishop Faure's consecration was, in every way, identical to the consecrations done by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988. Besides, Fr. Faure had been chosen by Lefebvre in 1988 to be consecrated a bishop. The SSPX says that Lefebvre's consecrations were based on a state of necessity and that makes them different (valid). Concerning the consecration of Bishop Faure, the SSPX is saying "There was no state of necessity." Well, Pope John Paul II, said in 1988, "There was no state of necessity".

    The biggest criticism SSPX has for the consecration of Bishop Faure is that Williamson did not ask for permission from the Pope, like Lefebvre had done. Did Bishop Fellay ask for permission when he and another SSPX bishop consecrated a new bishop for the Society of St. John Vianney in South America? Is Pope Francis going to give Bishop Williamson permission? No way. Why ask? Don't need permission anyway.

    In reality, the authority of the SSPX is supplied authority (or jurisdiction), no different than what Bishop Faure has. Independent priests have the same situation as SSPX priests, supplied jurisdiction. The SSPX seems to think that it has a monopoly on Traditional Catholicism and that going outside the SSPX is inherently disobedient, schismatic and bad.

    The SSPX has decided against any future "illicit consecrations without papal mandate". Logical conclusion: if the SSPX does not merge with Rome, they will DIE from lack of bishops. Perhaps this is why they are upset about the four bishops in the Resistance.


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    QUESTION
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    Why should the SSPX care if there are non-SSPX priests and bishops saving souls? After all, they are responsible for expelling priests and one bishop from the SSPX. So, they have only themselves to blame. Did the SSPX expect the expelled priests to wither and die? Logical conclusion: the SSPX has been taken over by traitors to tradition, and does not want anybody operating outside of SSPX when they are finally sucked into the Conciliar Church, by Pope Francis.


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    Re: SOCIETY OF SAINT PIUS X, FROM D.R.B.O. WEBSITE
    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 11:43:35 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting this great synopsis!


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    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 06:44:21 AM »
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  • Great, simple article!

    “Problem #3” is where the SSPX spin machine is currently rewriting history.

    Welcome to the Resistance DRBO!

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    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 07:58:58 AM »
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  • Great, simple article!

    “Problem #3” is where the SSPX spin machine is currently rewriting history.

    Welcome to the Resistance DRBO!

    "Re-writing" their history is just more proof that the SSPX has been infiltrated by ʝʊdɛօ-masonics.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 08:13:07 AM »
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  • "Re-writing" their history is just more proof that the SSPX has been infiltrated by ʝʊdɛօ-masonics.
    They infiltrated the Church right to the top, the Society was a piece of cake after that.
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 11:02:48 AM »
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  • Germane to the changed direction is a realisation that conciliarism is here to stay and at the very least partial communion with modern Rome is better than no communion. This has meant tying oneself to the much quoted Titanic and inventing more unconvincing reasons for staying so attached. Not often mentioned is evidence that many senior priests accept the Society does possess a schismatic attitude and do not want to die 'outside the Church'.

    With the Society bordering on such bankruptcy of purpose, it has become vulnerable to being infiltrated by alien forces seeing it as an empty shell. We all know about Max Krah overseeing the Gutmann bequest and the resulting showpiece seminary in Virginia being the new face of the Society. The calibre and attitudes of its future priests will indeed create something different in the 'tradititional' world but Menzingen must be careful when choosing her new friends. Backing the wrong political horse or pandering to current fashion could turn off more followers so the new SG will have to have a few tricks up his lacy sleeve to offset new waves of disgruntled punters. The best of us will be happy to observe from a safe distance!

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    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 11:52:03 AM »
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  • Wessex,
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    The best of us will be happy to observe from a safe distance!
    I might add, a very disinterested distance.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 01:44:37 PM »
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  • "Re-writing" their history is just more proof that the SSPX has been infiltrated by ʝʊdɛօ-masonics.
    More like the key people have been bought out by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonics. That's their standard way of operating. 
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    « Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 09:36:37 AM »
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  • Wessex,I might add, a very disinterested distance.

    Ah yes, JPaul and Wessex, the "no Traditional Catholic position or cleric impresses us"

    You are the hipsters of the Traditional world. Love to criticize everyone, but have nothing to offer yourselves. You curse the darkness, while endeavoring to blow out everyone's candles.

    Like a hipster millennial, you harshly criticize and tear apart everyone else's content (which you passively consume for free), while producing none of your own.

    I'm glad there aren't many like you in Tradition, or we'd all be in trouble. You do nothing at all for the Catholic world -- you should at least be a professed brother or monk, and then at least your life would be one act of religion which would benefit mankind spiritually.

    But all your negativity towards everything that exists in the Trad world -- anything with a shred of ACT (rather than just Potency)  -- makes you completely useless. Once you decide to go that route, the Trad world would be the same if you lived another 20 years or if you got hit by a car and died the next day. No one in the Trad world (aside from your family) would miss you, because you are doing no good for anyone.

    A half blind 70 year old grandmother trying to teach her granddaughter the Faith and making sure she gets to a Traditional Mass regularly is doing more for the Church than either of you.

    You support no good clerics, you write no useful articles, you don't strive to convert anyone, because you have no group, priest, or chapel to send them to.
    All you do is spew negativity towards those who are actually trying to do something positive.

    We on CathInfo might disagree about which Traditional bishop (in the past 50 years, living or dead) is "the best", or which Traditional group is the best place to park our Faith during this Crisis, etc. but at least we've all picked one -- except for you. You have no heroes. For you, the world is a dark, depressing, hopeless place. I pity both of you.


    P.S. I sound a bit harsh, but I've read MANY posts by these two over the past couple years, so I know them pretty well. They each have no "neutral" apostolates online or offline (online Douay Rheims, Gregorian chant, volunteering for a chapel or group, apologetics, Fatima, Rosary, Catholic website of any size, Youtube channel, etc.) going on either, or I'd give them a complete pass. They have never mentioned anything they do elsewhere to help the Faith. All they ever do is reject and criticize, and play the heckler on a few forums, at least for the past 2-3 years. They weren't always this way, but they are now. Now when I see a post with "JPaul" or "Wessex" on the left-hand side, I almost cringe and I know the post is going to be bad -- and I always turn out to be right.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 10:01:25 AM »
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  • I guess I'm especially harsh because I have more respect for a Pfeifferite dupe (who might be emotional, imprudent, and/or ignorant, but at least they want to keep the Faith, be apostolic, etc.) over someone who chooses to be aloof from the entire Traditional Catholic world. The Traditional Catholic world is important, venerable, and has a 50 year track record of helping to save souls and preserve the Faith. So naturally it is dear to my heart.

    I wouldn't even be here if it weren't for the Traditional Catholic movement (you know, the imperfect, warts-and-all Traditional Catholic movement that ACTUALLY EXISTED/EXISTS). My parents met at TAN Books & Publishers, a Traditional Catholic business dedicated to reprinting pre-Vatican II Catholic literature. And said business was started by Thomas A. Nelson, my great-uncle, a Trad Catholic pioneer who also started an independent chapel which only recently closed down. Mr. Nelson wasn't above nepotism, so many relatives on my father's side worked at TAN Books at some time or another.

    Mr. Nelson was also my catechism teacher, and the one who taught me to serve Mass. He taught me about the Jєωs and their stranglehold on the money supply, and taught me the evil of interest. I owe him a huge debt of gratitude (pardon the pun!) for that alone. I wouldn't be able to survive if I hadn't learned that vital tidbit (and resolved to pay as little interest as possible). He was a role model for me in many ways. And to this day, he is still one of my heroes.

    My parents married in a Traditional Catholic (TC) chapel in 1975. My siblings and I were all baptized in that chapel. We confessed our sins at that chapel to the priest, who was ordained in the Redemptorist Order in 1961. We attended a TC Mass every week and were raised Catholic, including all the liturgy and Catholic practices. I got to see others outside my family practicing the TC Faith. And many years later, my wife and I were married at a different TC chapel (also under emergency jurisdiction, etc.) and our children have all been baptized outside the Conciliar structures. Many have received First Communion and Confession, also in the TC milieu.

    So just in my family, one can observe an ENTIRE GENERATION that wouldn't exist if my parents had just given up and decided to wait for the End of the World, the Chastisement, or for St. Peter to come down and choose a new Pope. LIFE GOES ON. It's not just about our material existence -- what's even more important is that we're all here AND HAVE THE TIMELESS CATHOLIC FAITH thanks to my parents' choice to be Traditional Catholic.

    That's why the TC movement is so critically important.  The TC movement works.  It doesn't force anyone's free will, but it works. That much isn't open for debate.
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  • I am sorry to have upset you so.

    God Bless you and  all of your Family.

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  • Some men get so caught up in idealism that they aren't willing to deal with any faults. They end up home aloners because every group is populated by flawed human beings.

    Even in the secular world, there is the wisdom that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Better to support and adhere to the here-and-now, concrete, Trad movement that actually exists with priests, chapels, and Masses than to hold out for some ideal, perfect version that doesn't (and will never) exist.

    That's why aloofness from the Trad movement bothers me. It's a huge mistake with eternal ramifications.
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  • Great, simple article!

    “Problem #3” is where the SSPX spin machine is currently rewriting history.

    Welcome to the Resistance DRBO!
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    The Douay-Rheims Bible Online is the only one I use, but I've never looked for what else the site offers.
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    This is very interesting. A great reference for us to use where we can refer others to information we talk about.
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    I have run into several Trads who are confused about the SSPX and their apparent change in direction.
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    When I ask them a few questions, they have no idea about +Fellay being SG for 24 years and have never heard of GREC.
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    These things are public record, and it's nice to have a website that lists them for all to see. Good stuff! 
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    If Menzingen could shut them down they'd do it in a heartbeat.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 06:44:07 PM »
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  • There is an improved version of this article on the website:
    http://drbo.org/sspx.htm
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    Yes, and it looks something like this (Note: I attempted to delete the ads in the right sidebar but was unable to):
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    The NEW Society Of Saint Pius X (SSPX)
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    By The Publisher on July 29 2018
     
    INTRODUCTION

    About 1970, seminarians approached Archbishop Lefebvre and said they needed a new seminary because the Roman seminaries were teaching a new religion, the religion of Vatican II, which is not Catholic. So, Lefebvre founded the SSPX with the approval of the local bishop. Obviously, the SSPX was dedicated to the preservation of the traditional Catholic Faith. The SSPX is a missionary society and operates independently from the local bishops using supplied jurisdiction. The SSPX steadily grew to become a worldwide organization operating in many countries. The current website is SSPX.ORG.

    In 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops for the preservation of the SSPX, precisely because Rome was refusing to provide the SSPX with any bishops. Lefebvre did this without the approval of Rome. It was called "operation survival". Rome was angry about this and claimed that Lefebvre incurred the "grave penalty of excommunication in Pope John Paul II's letter: "Ecclesia Dei".

    However, the excommunication for abuse of episcopal powers (canon 1382) was not incurred because:

    • - A person who violates a law out of necessity is not subject to a penalty (1983 Code of Canon Law, canon 1323, §4), even if there is no state of necessity.
    • - If one inculpably thought there was a necessity, he would not incur the penalty (canon 1323, 70).
    • - If one culpably thought there was a necessity, he would still incur no automatic penalties (canon 1324, §3; §1, 80).

    Did Lefebvre think there was a state of necessity? Yes, because he said:

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    Rome has lost the Faith.  Rome is in apostasy.  Rome has left the Church.

    For a good explanation about what is wrong with Vatican II, listen to what Fr. Hesse says about Vatican II or read one of the two books written by Archbisop Lefebvre:

    • "I Accuse The Council".
    • "They Have Uncrowned Him".

    The SSPX is not in schism, because it accepts the Roman papacy. Disobedience alone does not place a person in schism. For many years, the SSPX had been the only traditional group, which did not require its priests to accept Vatican II, the New Mass and the 1983 Code of Canon Law. In February 1991, Lefebvre said what separated SSPX from Rome.

    Recently, a new traditional group has been founded in Avrille, France, to preserve the Faith, precisely because the SSPX has lost the Faith. The new group is the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary.




    THE NEW SSPX


    After the death of Lefebvre, in 1991, things started to change in the SSPX headquarters.

    In 1996, GREC was formed to find a way to integrate the SSPX into Rome, primarily by avoiding the discussion of Church doctrines.

    In 2012. A Doctrinal Declaration was presented to Rome by the SSPX superior general, Bishop Fellay, for the purpose of being reconciled with Rome. Rome refused to sign it, probably because the three other SSPX bishops were opposed to an agreement with Rome. Perhaps Rome wants the whole SSPX under its authority, not just part of the SSPX. This saved the SSPX from committing ѕυιcιdє, because the Doctrinal Declaration accepted (1) Vatican II, (2) the New Mass, (3) the 1983 Code of Canon Law.

    Now it was obvious that Fellay was trying to take the SSPX in the opposite direction of Archbishop Lefebvre, who said in 1987, even if Rome gives us everything we want, We will not collaborate.  Rome is trying to de-Christianize civilization.

    Later in 2012, Bishop Fellay expelled Bishop Willianson, because Williamson was speaking out against an agreement with Rome. During the next six years, we watched Fellay expell many priests who were speaking out against merging with Rome. Other priests were sent to operate in remote locations, because they were opposed to an agreement.




    DECEPTION IN NEW SSPX


    By 2018, we have been watching the new direction of the SSPX for six years. We have been getting a steady stream of deception as follows: (1) Fellay has joyfully accepted the freeing of the Latin Mass [it was never done away with]. (2) He has gladly accepted the lifting of the excommunications of the four SSPX bishops [they were never excommunicated]. (3) He has accepted permission to hear confessions and grant marriages [SSPX already had this through supplied jurisdiction]. One would think that Fellay is cooperating with the Romans to make it look like Rome is no longer the enemy of tradition.

    DECPTION #4: Bishop Fellay said Rome is giving us all we need for reconciliation. What is there to want from Rome? The condemnation of all Vatican II docuмents and the condemnation of the New Mass. However, Bishop Fellay is not asking for this.


    DECPTION #6: The New SSPX is saying that the purpose of the SSPX is the formation of priests, but Rome had never stopped forming priests. So, what was the state of necessity that required Lefebvre to the consecrate four bishops in 1988? Logical conclusion: the New SSPX does not want us to remember what the state of necessity was all about.

    DECPTION #7: The SSPX claims that they can do a better job of bringing Rome back to tradition from within. This is very naive. It has forgotten that the 9 other formerly traditional groups, who reconciled with Rome, are no longer traditional.

    DECPTION #8: The SSPX no longer calls Rome the Conciliar Church, now it's called the Visible Church. Logical conclusion: the SSPX does not want us to know that Rome has a new religion, the religion of Vatican II.

    DECPTION #9: The New SSPX is saying that Rome will let them continue as they are. So who is stopping SSPX from continuing as they are? Nobody. Archbishop Lefebvre said in 1987 that even if Rome gives us everything we want, "we will not collaborate. Rome is trying to de-Christianize civilization." Logical conclusion: the New SSPX has decided that it needs permission from Rome to continue operating, supplied jurisdiction is not good enough.

    MORE DECPTIONS: The new superior general of the SSPX, Fr. Pagliarani, has demonstrated, in his first interview (July 13 2018 ), that he is embracing the new attitude of the SSPX. He said: (1) when Rome realizes that the SSPX has something to offer, then the reconciliation will happen, (2) the purpose of the SSPX is the formation of priests who persevere in HOLINESS, (3) the solution to the problems in the SSPX is UNITY. [Just obey and be nice?]

    Wrong. The correct answers are as follows: (1) when Rome condemns Vatican II and returns to the traditional Catholic Faith, then we will consider a reconciliation, (2) The purpose of the SSPX is to form priests who persevere in the TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC FAITH, (3) The solution to the division in the SSPX is to stop all the deception, stop expelling priests who are critical of Rome, and return to the goals set by Archbishop Lefebvre.

    CHANGE IN STATUTES: The SSPX has changed its statues to allow for two additional assistants to the superior general, Bishop Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger. So now there are five at the top. Both Fellay and Schmidberger are liberal and experienced in dealing with Rome. Do you see the problem here? Fr. Pagliarani can work on public relations, while Fellay and Schmidberger can work behind the scenes to hasten an agreement with Rome. See this article by Fr. Girouard for his analysis of the situation.




    SSPX WANTS A MONOPOLY

    Now the New SSPX is attacking the Resistance (those faithful who want to follow Lefebvre and are opposed to an agreement with Rome). The rector, in Saint Marys KS, said, "What is there to resist? The Resistance people are making rash judgements." Obviously, he doesn't know much about the Resistance or he doesn't realize the SSPX is going in the wrong direction.

    The SSPX has denounced the consecration of Bishop Faure, however, Bishop Faure's consecration was, in every way, identical to the consecrations done by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988. Besides, Fr. Faure had been chosen by Lefebvre in 1988 to be consecrated a bishop. The SSPX says that Lefebvre's consecrations were based on a state of necessity and that makes them different (valid). Concerning the consecration of Bishop Faure, the SSPX is saying "There was no state of necessity." Well, Pope John Paul II, said in 1988, "There was no state of necessity".

    The biggest criticism SSPX has for the consecration of Bishop Faure is that Williamson did not ask for permission from the Pope, like Lefebvre had done. Did Bishop Fellay ask for permission when he and another SSPX bishop consecrated a new bishop for the Society of St. John Vianney in South America? Is Pope Francis going to give Bishop Williamson permission? No way. Why ask? Don't need permission anyway.

    In reality, the authority of the SSPX is supplied authority (or jurisdiction), no different than what Bishop Faure has. Independent priests have the same situation as SSPX priests, supplied jurisdiction. The SSPX seems to think that it has a monopoly on Traditional Catholicism and that going outside the SSPX is inherently disobedient, schismatic and bad.

    The SSPX has decided against any future "illicit consecrations without papal mandate". Logical conclusion: if the SSPX does not merge with Rome, they will DIE from lack of bishops. Perhaps this is why they are upset about the four bishops in the Resistance.




    QUESTION

    Why should the SSPX care if there are non-SSPX priests and bishops saving souls? After all, they are responsible for expelling many priests and one bishop from the SSPX. So, they have only themselves to blame. Did the SSPX expect the expelled priests to wither and die? Logical conclusion: the SSPX has been taken over by traitors to tradition, and does not want anybody operating outside of SSPX when they are finally sucked into the Conciliar Church, by Pope Francis.

















    In February 1991, Lefebvre said what separated SSPX from Rome
    . -- This is a link to a CathInfo thread:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/archbishop-lefebvre-said-what-separated-sspx-from-rome-in-1991/
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