This quote below came from another thread. I contend that the fault for this attitude falls squarely on the priests for not teaching their flock social etiquette. From my experience the foundation of this unfriendliness is a lack of education and culture. In other words these people are social etiquettely challenged. It is not about lack of charity, it is about being uncultured. This lack of culture only appears to be a lack of charity, for example they never say good morning or hello to anyone new at the chapel, however, it is just that they are, to be blunt, social savages.  

...traditionalist are ridged, locked into themselves, and always condemning.   Anyone who has traveled in Traditional circles long enough must admit that this is true.  Just last week there was a small family who had never been to the Latin Mass.  I watched the "faithful ".  Some made facial expressions that clearly indicated their displeasure with slacks and no head covering.  After Mass others walked by and just looked at the ground.  Luckily, there were a few who were very welcoming.  One kind lady even went and sat next to them, offering them missals and showing them how to use it.  Most however ignored them.  Why? Fear? Pride? Lack of charity?  HMMmmmm...

There are the "little house on the prairie" folks who openly claim that if you don't ware prairie dresses, can your own food and slaughter your own meat you are somehow too worldly.   We have intense home schoolers who, with tears rolling down their face preach your children will go to hell if you send them to school.  We have the holier then thaugh types who boldly quote papal docuмents and spew off Lain phrases to pontificate their Catholicism ....throw in the conspiracy theorist, sedevecantists, and the pious prayers, and you have a mixed bag of pickles.   We even had one person frown in disbelief that we actually let our kids join the local soccer team and little league baseball.

There is a lack of charity in Traditional circles that must be addressed.  We use to have a very good priest who was great at coralling the factions.  One time he preached that if God wanted us all to live on little house on the prairie he'd have had us born in 1857.  If that's how you choose to live your life That's fine as long as you understand that such a lifestyle may not be for everyone, nor does that Catholic Church require it. He was great at breaking down these cliques.  Once left these cliques started to return.

I believe something must be done to address this issue.  One visitor to tradition said "these people are all over the map."  However compromising with doctrine, sleeping with modernist Rome, and ignoring the danger (poisoned soup) of Vatican II is not the answer. We must continue to shout these dangers from the rooftop.   Like St Bernard said, a Catholic priest must be like a guard dog who barks at approaching danger.  If the dog stops barking, it's useless.  

It is understandable though.

When I walk through New York City and people stop me I assume they are nutters unless they are well dressed or look like tourists.  In a small Texas town I would probably be more approachable.

I reckon Lot and his wife didn't socialise with their neighbours much either.  They probably kept their heads down as they walked the streets of S&G

Just because someone shows up at a Trad Chapel does not mean they are a safe bet.  They might be after your teenage daughter, (or son).  Once you open yourself up and get all chatty and friendly you are part exposed.  Difficult then to take it back without openly accusing them of being a dangerous nutter.

Experience has taught people to be cautious about who they let into their lives.

We're souls, singular, and if we follow Catholicism we're on the path to Heaven.

This whole philosophy of everyone being "cool" with each other and putting on a howdy do has, at it's core, a view of man as a carbon copy cutout of each other and that somehow our salvation is being "one of the crowd".

I don't see any rudeness at the St. Louis Chapel and, if it's there, my eyes are on God.  

Let those who are new to the Catholic Faith embrace the Faith first and then adopt the proper aspects of modesty and piety and not vainly and arrogantly demand that the faithful accept them as they are.

There are social rules of modesty and behavior expected at our Chapels. These rules of conduct are already established and need to be followed by everyone. Instead of us Catholics adapting to the visitors / new members ways and fashions, the visitors / new members need to accept and follow our rules. That has nothing to do with being polite and civil, under any circuмstance, which we should be with everyone.  

Of course, we need to be friendly and welcoming with everyone but if the person is clearly immodest, indecent, or disrespectful to the Faith in any way, we ought not to lower our standards just because we want to appear friendly and play nice. One should politely remind this person of the already established rules of conduct. Silence and "niceness" are to blame for the horrid things one may see in the Novus Ordo Masses, for example, where clearly the parishioners have lowers their Catholic standards and attend Mass in worldly, immodest, and even unclean fashions. Not to mention their disrespectful behavior.  

One visitor to tradition said "these people are all over the map."

I agree there are people from all walks of life in Catholic Tradition. This is self evident.

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I contend that the fault for this attitude falls squarely on the priests for not teaching their flock social etiquette. From my experience the foundation of this unfriendliness is a lack of education and culture

The young woman,whose wedding I attended last weekend is often mistaken for an Amish girl.  She is Indult but shows example in her attire. She is not one to wear trousers. She leads by example and a few Catholic ladies have started to dress like women.

You tend to know who is a Trad if you come across a pro-life stall. I remember being down in Cork. Fair play to the SSPX ladies (though few in number) Women in modest skirts and attire amongst the degenerate, decadent, modern world.

A few Trad men wore suits, shirts and ties.

It was very impressive.

The clergy can only be blamed to a degree.

Ah yes, but love teaches us to be prepared to get hurt many times over.
Besides, not being an a**hole doesn't take that much effort. A smile and wave, or a "welcome to mass! How familiar are you with the Latin mass?" Isn't going to get anyone killed.

Trads need to come to grips with what their behavior can do. Driving souls away from Jesus is a much more terrible thing than to have to do damage control. How many souls are lost by bad priests? How many souls are lost by bad catholics?

When someone new shows up, they are usually coming in a state of supplication to Jesus, already having their lives filled with hurt and little or no love, so they don't understand perseverance in love. All they know is what they get when they show up at mass, fumbling through as best they can in pursuit of Jesus.

I'll be open about my opinion. It is the worst possible cruelty to inflict upon a soul, especially the souls of children, to push them away from Jesus. I literally cannot think of a worse thing to do to a person, and I spent my childhood being abused by my own father, and this is still a worse cruelty. Our Lord is depending upon us to help people get to heaven. What are all your rosaries and prayers for, if when these souls are finally on their path to heaven, you come along and tell them to get the hell off your street?!

I can't even imagine how many people searched out the Latin mass, went to great trouble and through many sacrifices just to get there. Some drive hundreds of miles and battle against unbelieving spouses and condescending family members. Being at Mass is their soul's relief from all of their struggles. They assume they'll be welcomed or at the very least ignored. And then to get slapped in the face with an unwelcoming and rude, sometimes painfully cruel congregation, can be the end of their pursuit of Jesus altogether.

Send them my way Mama, we'll toughen up their armor so they wont be afraid to stay.

Look, the point of the thread is to address the lack of social etiquette in most Trad Chapels.  
We are not talking about people coming to the TLM and forcing the parish to condone immodesty, disrespect and sinful lifestyles.  

Instead we are asking less HOSTILITY to new comers who don't walk the walk or talk the talk yet.  
Especially those who have children - been there, experienced it, in all 3 TLM groups, Indult, FSSP, and SSPX.
I ended up just having to toughen my skin and teach my children to be the same, while being polite and charitable.
I have developed a determination not to let any of them keep me away from the Mass or Church because of their poor and unfortunate lack of culture.

TBH, I think it is a Prot mindset that has embedded itself into American Catholics.  
I have yet to experience such from Trads outside the US.  
But, I tell anyone who gets ruffled when they come to a TLM to just ignore it, keep praying, and stay praying.  
Do not let these kind of people keep you away from the True Sacraments.

I remember one couple who moved from the 10am Mass to the 7am because they could not stand all the famiies (children).  
Then eventually left the chapel altogether to attend another TLM because a certain older gentleman at the 7am dared to come to Mass EVERY Sunday in the same jeans and plaid shirt.  
They couldn't stand seeing him be sooo disrespectful!  
:baby:  :faint:  
Really?  
And they proudly told me their story because they now go to a Mass that does not have any children, er, families.  And everyone dresses so nicely, that they get to concentrate fully at Mass.
I guess because I minded my manners, and they are so "impressed" with my children's manners, they thought I would agree with them!  
I don't,  but I told them I was so glad they found a place to call home.

Let's not forget, Satan wants to always stir trouble - he's the true imbecile!

p.s. They are not only at the Chapels though - sometimes they are the ones who answer the phones. Yikes! Did I dial the wrong number?

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

We're souls, singular, and if we follow Catholicism we're on the path to Heaven.

This whole philosophy of everyone being "cool" with each other and putting on a howdy do has, at it's core, a view of man as a carbon copy cutout of each other and that somehow our salvation is being "one of the crowd".

I don't see any rudeness at the St. Louis Chapel and, if it's there, my eyes are on God.  

Let those who are new to the Catholic Faith embrace the Faith first and then adopt the proper aspects of modesty and piety and not vainly and arrogantly demand that the faithful accept them as they are.

I was at the St. Louis Chapel once, and didn't find it unfriendly. Many came up to introduce themselves and talk to me. I however, have  a pretty wife and little children that look and dress  like angels. How would they treat a family that came with wife in pants and teenage daughters in mini-skirts?
I start out saying good morning to the parents, and eventually will teach them about how girls who dress to attract men should be ready for marriage (a polite way of saying ready for pregnancy, whether married or not). Once I do that, if they are set in their ways, I let God take care of it. And avoid them, but say good morning and hello when we come face to face.

Hard to say how they would be treated.  Probably friendly.  

In the over two years that I have assisted there, I have seen only three (3) occasions of a woman wearing pants.  And one of those incidents was a regular who was still wearing her EMT uniform.