Author Topic: So this means that I mustnt dare to attend SSPX? (Read 3009 times)

Pelly · « **on:** September 17, 2013, 04:10:40 AM »

Since the name of this forum had been changed, I'm starting to suspect that it have been renamed for good. I'd like to ask: how bad are the things with SSPX?
But since Hungary depends from the SSPX (I think), my TLM chances are on the stake. I think that Hungary as soon as the SSPX softens up to a certain degree will leave. What should I do? Should I attend SSPX Masses?

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:22:37 AM »

At the top, they are quite bad. The SSPX has actually changed (past tense) and is endeavoring to give up the fight for Tradition as much as possible, without upsetting too many of the faithful (who put money in the collection baskets every week).

At the individual chapels? The Theology seminarians used to have an inside joke: "Case by case basis."

In other words, "Your mileage may vary".

Some chapels aren't harmful to the Faith at all. But from what I've heard, the sermons at some chapels could already be considered erroneous or harmful to the Faith. Any priest or sermon that defends Vatican II (in any way) or the legitimacy of the New Mass must be resisted.

But it takes time for all the rot at the top to percolate down to the bottom.

Just like after Vatican II the changes didn't immediately percolate down to every single church. My wife (how old is she? Her mom is a Baby Boomer) remembers when they introduced the "handshake of peace" at her chapel in small town Texas. So that was what, 1990? 20 years after the Novus Ordo was promulgated?

I'll give you another example: the elderly pastor (of Irish descent) of that small town church recently retired a few years ago. His replacement was seen wearing a Hawaiian shirt and shorts during the yearly parish festival. So it took until 2007 for this small town to get your typical "average Joe" pastor. How many years after 1970 was that?

Meanwhile there were probably clown Masses in California in 1971.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:25:49 AM »

Fr. Pfeiffer pointed out a month ago (when he was here) that the FSSP Seminary video was actually more Traditional Catholic than the current SSPX one, based on what was mentioned during the video.

He said that the SSPX has already sunk lower than the FSSP -- people just don't know how bad it is yet.

Remember the conference in Europe -- given to priests -- where it was said that families shouldn't have more than 5 children?

I believe Fr. Pfeiffer.

When I start hearing that kind of crap at my chapel, I will give up, leave, and never come back.

I must say that our current pastor would never preach heresy or error. He is very solid. I doubt I have anything to worry about while he remains at the helm.

Johnnier · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:35:45 AM »

I think once must keep a balance in all this.

Bp. Williamson isn't not supportive of this view that one must stop attending the SSPX chapels. I think being one of the older players with much experience in the crisis in the Church he has taken a position which is far more in line with the mind of the Church.

I think those who hold the contrary seem to base it on a somewhat exaggerated view of the person/office of Bp. Felley as though he has some sort of 'Pope' status. This is false.

I think sometimes all the negativity can allow people to either lose focus or become somewhat cultist or unbalanced to say the least.

I recall in the early years of the SSPX a number of the new comers started to go exaggerate and act as though the SSPX is the Church, but several years later when they go scandalized about something or something didn't go their way, these same people often lost the faith or went over to the indult or back to the Novus Ordo. As bishop Williamson often points out the two extremes tend to meet. Hence you will understand why someone could place a post with some resistance followers going over to the indult - (the indult representing everything that the resistance has been denouncing in the current SSPX situation).

One of the priests at audiosancto recently gave a good sermon that I think will be of help to many here on this forum in trying to keep a balance:

http://www.AudioSancto.org/auweb/20130908-Overcoming-the-Model-D-Weaponry-of-the-Devil.mp3

TheRecusant · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2013, 12:18:51 PM »

What should I do? Should I attend SSPX Masses?

An honest question. Here is an honest answer.

No. You ought not to attend SSPX masses, and you need to understand why. Then you make a firm resolution not to attend the SSPX any longer. If you do that, God will surely reward your generosity.
Then, if I were you, I would finish by contacting one of the Resistance priests in southern Germany, Fr. Zaby or Fr. Sauer, or Fr. Trauner in Austria, asking for a visit for Mass.

It won't be easy. But since when was the right thing to do an easy option...?

Continuing with the SSPX because "there is no Resistance in my area," as some do, is a non sequitur. There will be no Resistance in a given place until people are prepared to do what is right.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:47:23 PM »

Quote from: Johnnier

One of the priests at audiosancto recently gave a good sermon that I think will be of help to many here on this forum in trying to keep a balance:

http://www.AudioSancto.org/auweb/20130908-Overcoming-the-Model-D-Weaponry-of-the-Devil.mp3

This quote from their webpage tells me that they are Novus Ordo presbyters:

"The priests you hear in the recordings on this website are Catholic Priests, in good standing with their local ordinaries and Rome, incardinated with normal faculties and jurisdiction, and serving in North America."

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2013, 02:57:03 PM »

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His replacement was seen wearing a Hawaiian shirt and shorts during the yearly parish festival. So it took until 2007 for this small town to get your typical "average Joe" pastor. How many years after 1970 was that?

This reminded me of something a close relative told me. A few weeks ago she was visiting my grandmother. She noticed a sports car approach the house. It's a rural area.

Then it was "God Bless All Here" and a man in lay attire was in the kitchen. In Ireland in some areas, you still encounter people, who enter a house without knocking.

The man in the Hawaiian shirt with a chain and several rings was the parish priest. He was tanned and had been on holiday.

He had the tea and a chat and then as he was leaving gave my grandmother a hug. She said "Are you forgetting something, Father"? "I would like confession and holy communion".

He went to his car then and returned to hear confession and holy communion.

He was certainly your average joe and a nice guy. He prefers to be called by his Christian name.

His curate, who is actually older than he always arrives dressed as a priest ought to as did the previous parish priest. The parish priest before them was much different.

He always wore a well worn cassock and was a very stern man.He died years ago.

Such a contrast now. It's ironic as a few years ago, some laity of the parish went to their Bishop as a curate at that time was wearing a leather jacket and was "too trendy". He was sent to another parish.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2013, 03:03:33 PM »

Quote from: TheRecusant

What should I do? Should I attend SSPX Masses?

An honest question. Here is an honest answer.

No. You ought not to attend SSPX masses, and you need to understand why. Then you make a firm resolution not to attend the SSPX any longer. If you do that, God will surely reward your generosity.
Then, if I were you, I would finish by contacting one of the Resistance priests in southern Germany, Fr. Zaby or Fr. Sauer, or Fr. Trauner in Austria, asking for a visit for Mass.

It won't be easy. But since when was the right thing to do an easy option...?

Continuing with the SSPX because "there is no Resistance in my area," as some do, is a non sequitur. There will be no Resistance in a given place until people are prepared to do what is right.

Fantastic post from The Recusant.

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2013, 03:23:19 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

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His replacement was seen wearing a Hawaiian shirt and shorts during the yearly parish festival. So it took until 2007 for this small town to get your typical "average Joe" pastor. How many years after 1970 was that?

This reminded me of something a close relative told me. A few weeks ago she was visiting my grandmother. She noticed a sports car approach the house. It's a rural area.

Then it was "God Bless All Here" and a man in lay attire was in the kitchen. In Ireland in some areas, you still encounter people, who enter a house without knocking.

The man in the Hawaiian shirt with a chain and several rings was the parish priest. He was tanned and had been on holiday.

He had the tea and a chat and then as he was leaving gave my grandmother a hug. She said "Are you forgetting something, Father"? "I would like confession and holy communion".

He went to his car then and returned to hear confession and holy communion.

He was certainly your average joe and a nice guy. He prefers to be called by his Christian name.

His curate, who is actually older than he always arrives dressed as a priest ought to as did the previous parish priest. The parish priest before them was much different.

He always wore a well worn cassock and was a very stern man.He died years ago.

Such a contrast now. It's ironic as a few years ago, some laity of the parish went to their Bishop as a curate at that time was wearing a leather jacket and was "too trendy". He was sent to another parish.

A priest.. in a Hawaiian shirt ?

As +W once said in an interview, Europeans have become "Second class Americans".

Meaning, they are obsessed with making themselves a bad imitation of American (Jєωιѕн) culture.

For a sanity check, here's a Flemish Saint who sacrificed his life for Our Lord in the Hawaiian Islands.

St. Damien of Molokai, pray for us!

Johnnier · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:05:09 PM »

Sienna

No, they are not Novus Ordo priests, they are Trad Priests from various Trad communities, such as the FSSP, etc.

Johnnier · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:15:23 PM »

Recusant,

While I understand your bitterness towards the current SSPX leadership. I think it lacks a basic balance. In coming to think of it, your position reminds me of the Sedevacantists. For years they have always said that no one should attend the SSPX Masses because the SSPX clergy include the name of the Pope in the Liturgy and since the Pope is evil/bad/heretic etc, the SSPX Masses are united with a wicked man, a heretic, hence such Masses must be avoided. And that logic, as good as it sounds is false. -

And I think the same applies here. I don't think, just because we are not fans of Bp. Fellay that we should claim to give him a status he doesn't have or claim to deprive people of benefiting from the sacraments from good and solid priests, which is the case with the great bulk of SSPX priests, who have dedicated their lives to help the faithful, regardless of their personal shortcomings.

Bp. Fellay will not be around forever, the SSPX is bigger than him. I think we need to see the bigger picture, rather than get caught up in things which can tend to blur the picture.

stgobnait · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:23:48 PM »

Bitterness is not a good word to use in respect of leadership of sspx, dis illusionment might be better...

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

Bitterness is not a good word to use in respect of leadership of sspx, dis illusionment might be better...

Who is disillusioned? It's a bit rich of you speaking of disillusionment when you remain attending a SSPX chapel despite Resistance Centres in your District.

The leadership of the SSPX have always been liberals and Bishop Fellay is a traitor.

stgobnait · « **Reply #13 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:39:20 PM »

I am... but i was not speaking of me, i was speaking of johnnies's discription of the Recusant's post....

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:42:53 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

I am... but i was not speaking of me, i was speaking of johnnies's discription of the Recusant's post....

Who cares about the post of Johnnier? The Resistance shouldn't heed these cranks