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Offline OHCA

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So much for the Boston Seminary improving
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2016, 11:49:29 AM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions. Only time will tell when or if this will help the situation.


    Would Fr. Pfeiffer consider sending Pablo to some other location away from the seminary if that would make a difference with Bishop Williamson?


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    « Reply #16 on: January 20, 2016, 11:56:37 AM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Seminarians want some assurance that they will be ordained, God willing. I believe that seminarians also want spiritual growth and development, aided by faithful priests. The seminary in Boston is working on both fronts, while trying to keep up with the mission sites, and bringing the Sacraments to the faithful. It's a tough job, and despite some setbacks, they have managed to get through three years.

    If neither Bishop lend their support for the seminary in Boston, it could have an effect on seminarians, current and/ or prospective.

    As Father Pfeiffer has said, "God will provide." Only God knows at this point what He will provide, and how it will affect the seminary in Boston. It could be the support of the two resistance bishops, or it could be another, as of yet undetermined Bishop, or it could be plane tickets for all the Boston seminarians to go to France.


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    « Reply #17 on: January 20, 2016, 12:01:38 PM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions. Only time will tell when or if this will help the situation.


    Would Fr. Pfeiffer consider sending Pablo to some other location away from the seminary if that would make a difference with Bishop Williamson?


    I think that if this were to make the difference, Father Pfeiffer wouldn't have to send Pablo away. I think Pablo would send himself away, should that make a difference for the seminary.

    He may be a thick-headed, machismo Mexican, but I also think he does care about the future of the seminary.

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    « Reply #18 on: January 20, 2016, 12:37:59 PM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Seminarians want some assurance that they will be ordained, God willing. I believe that seminarians also want spiritual growth and development, aided by faithful priests. The seminary in Boston is working on both fronts, while trying to keep up with the mission sites, and bringing the Sacraments to the faithful. It's a tough job, and despite some setbacks, they have managed to get through three years.

    If neither Bishop lend their support for the seminary in Boston, it could have an effect on seminarians, current and/ or prospective.

    As Father Pfeiffer has said, "God will provide." Only God knows at this point what He will provide, and how it will affect the seminary in Boston. It could be the support of the two resistance bishops, or it could be another, as of yet undetermined Bishop, or it could be plane tickets for all the Boston seminarians to go to France.


    Perhaps they should consider that God has provided. He has provided other seminaries that can actually function as seminaries. Fr. Pfeiffer seems to have a taste for missionary work and that alone could take up all of his time. If only he would drop the unnecessary bans on other Resistance priests and the strange territorial mentality he has developed, he could still be kept very busy and fruitfully so.

    I don't think it would help for Pablo to send himself away. Something within Fr. Pfeiffer keeps a person like that around and in charge. Pablo leaving doesn't change whatever it is about Fr. Pfeiffer that allows and fosters this problem and I think Bishop Williamson would see that. I am sure he knows more than we do so I have my reservations about whether it would "simply" take Pablo's departure for +Williamson to be supportive of their organization again. I guess what I am trying to say is that as much as Pablo may be a part of the problem (or so we surmise since +Williamson hasn't said anything) I doubt he is the whole of the problem.



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    So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 12:39:35 PM »
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    As Father Pfeiffer has said, "God will provide." Only God knows at this point what He will provide, and how it will affect the seminary in Boston. It could be the support of the two resistance bishops, or it could be another, as of yet undetermined Bishop, or it could be plane tickets for all the Boston seminarians to go to France.


    Yes, God could create a bishop ex nihilo or from the slime of the earth, but He probably won't. (Actually, since Our Lord founded the Church, and the way new bishops are to be consecrated -- in an unbroken line, all connected to the 12 Apostles and Peter -- wouldn't God be contradicting Himself if he created a priest/bishop with no Apostolic succession?)

    I personally don't believe in "perfectly good Trad bishops who were just unknown or hiding for all these decades".

    No, it's common sense that Traditional Catholics have been looking for good priests and bishops in every nook and cranny for the past 45 years. If any were out there, they'd be found by now. Especially in this age of the Internet.

    Another "trad bishop" appearing out of nowhere is what they call TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, which is precisely what happened with the Ambrose Moran situation.


    Imagine a lunchroom full of children. A terrorist bursts through the door, and starts shooting the children one by one. Everyone hopes that one of the adults present in the room will heroically try to neutralize the invader. With every passing minute, every additional dead child, the chance of a Hero saving the day goes down exponentially.

    Here's why: If a man in the room won't be the hero after 10 dead children, after 15, after 20, what chance is there that he'll do something after 25? He would have to explain to those 20 sets of parents (of the 20 dead children) why he sat and did nothing! Either has "has it within him" to be a hero, or he doesn't. After the first 20 children are dead, it would be MORALLY impossible (not physically impossible) for any of the adults to get up and be the hero. They are already set in their decision.

    Replace dead children with dead souls, cafeteria with the Catholic Church, terrorist with Modernist, and a shooting gun with spreading error, and you see what I'm getting at.

    Now you might object that maybe the man needed 10 minutes to "steel his nerves" and work up the courage to act -- which unfortunately cost the lives of 50 children in the meantime.  True enough; so this comparison limps on that point. However, in reality, any good bishop has had FORTY-FIVE YEARS to think, pray, study, meditate, and make a decision. Think of how many good and bad days, days of energy and days of sickness, he has had during a period of forty-five years.

    If he hasn't come out heroically supporting Tradition yet, HE'S NOT GOING TO. Period.
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    « Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 01:24:13 PM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions. Only time will tell when or if this will help the situation.


    "Reaching out to him" won't change the situation unless Fr Pfeiffer has remedied whatever problems made the bishop decide to stay away.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #21 on: January 20, 2016, 01:34:01 PM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions. Only time will tell when or if this will help the situation.


    "Reaching out to him" won't change the situation unless Fr Pfeiffer has remedied whatever problems made the bishop decide to stay away.


    The bishops have never made their reasons clear. In order for Father Pfeiffer to improve or make changes, he has to know what it is that might be keeping the bishops away.

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    So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #22 on: January 20, 2016, 01:35:41 PM »
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  • Martin, you have said that Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Fr Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson over the last year.   C.


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    « Reply #23 on: January 20, 2016, 01:40:31 PM »
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    Martin, you have said that Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Fr Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson over the last year.   C.


    I did not get the specifics from Father, as there was a limited time this last visit. I can ask.

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    « Reply #24 on: January 20, 2016, 01:44:40 PM »
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  • I believe that one occasion dealt with ordinations, including a conditional ordination.

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    « Reply #25 on: January 20, 2016, 02:21:30 PM »
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  • Martin, yes do ask. Surely it is the Bishop doing the favor if he does a conditional ordination for Fr Pfeiffer. I would like to know what concrete 'reaching out' that Fr Pfeiffer has done over the last year or so.


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    « Reply #26 on: January 20, 2016, 05:34:29 PM »
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    I personally don't believe in "perfectly good Trad bishops who were just unknown or hiding for all these decades".

    . . .

    Another "trad bishop" appearing out of nowhere is what they call TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, which is precisely what happened with the Ambrose Moran situation.


    Absolutely correct--such just screams fairytale plot.  The Ambrose debacle has me extremely suspicious that Fr. Pfeiffer's "God will provide" line has been for the bad faith purpose all along of trying to condition to his followers to buy such a fairytale.

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    Re: So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #27 on: June 03, 2017, 11:57:51 AM »
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  • Caleb's departure is a setback, for sure. I will miss him, for he was a good man, and I pray for his vocation, and that he may be safe, healthy and happy.


    Caleb, today:


    "there can be no holiness where there is disagreement with the pope" - Pope St. Pius X

    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.

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    Re: So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #28 on: June 03, 2017, 03:13:11 PM »
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  • Martin, you have said that Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Fr Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson over the last year.   C.
    Reach Out = rants and twistings about the resistance bishops in practically every sermon of late, couched as necessary corrections of the bishop's errors and the blindness of the 'false resistance'; ie, all resistance faithful who do not follow Boston.

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    Re: So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #29 on: June 03, 2017, 04:25:22 PM »
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