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Offline Matthew

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So much for the Boston Seminary improving
« on: January 18, 2016, 02:00:08 PM »
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  • Let's be objective here:

    1. The "senior seminarian" with prior SSPX seminary experience, who was placed in charge of "seminary" operations and who Pablo agreed to follow, has now left for France to pursue his vocation there in a real seminary. Who will be in charge now? Pablo.

    2. But how many days will Pablo be in charge? Well, Fr. Pfeiffer has decisively chosen "missions" over "seminary" (perhaps due to dwindling support, both numbers and income?). Just look for yourself: if you consult the recent InThisSign Mass listings, you can see that both priests are now gone from Friday through Monday.

    3. The fact of Pablo being bad news for the "seminary" is obvious to anyone with an objective eye on the situation. As the first (of many) piece of evidence I would produce the fact that Fr. Voigt (and possibly one other priest) might still be working with Fr. Pfeiffer today, if it weren't for Pablo. When I criticize Pablo, I limit myself to his own writings and videos, and admitted behaviors. (NOT any of the rumors and reports of darker activities.)



    By simply adding 2+2, we can conclude "4".

    Whatever steps they were taking at the beginning of the school year (remember Martin's "30 days" blog?), and whatever progress they were making, has been completely rolled back. They've fallen off the wagon.

    So much for that "seminary". Put a fork in it; it's done. Every man with a horse is fleeing.
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    Offline ManuelChavez

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    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 03:51:49 PM »
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  • Caleb's departure is a setback, for sure. I will miss him, for he was a good man, and I pray for his vocation, and that he may be safe, healthy and happy.


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    So much for the Boston Seminary improving
    « Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 04:04:02 PM »
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  • Martin,

    Was Caleb's departure as a result of Pablo's ongoing influence?

    Offline ManuelChavez

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    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 04:07:28 PM »
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    Martin,

    Was Caleb's departure as a result of Pablo's ongoing influence?


    I don't know for sure.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 04:43:07 PM »
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  • Your new avatar is such an improvement over Mr. Rogers:



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    « Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 05:03:48 PM »
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    Your new avatar is such an improvement over Mr. Rogers:



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    Thank you.

    Offline TheRealMcCoy

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    « Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 05:11:27 PM »
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    Martin,

    Was Caleb's departure as a result of Pablo's ongoing influence?


    No it wasn't paul the plumber.  It had to do with the formation itself and what is being taught there.  

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    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2016, 09:33:39 AM »
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  • Does that formation still include geo-centrism as a SUPER dogma? I know that Fr Pfeiffer considers anyone there who doesn't take it as dogma as a heretic. Geo-centrism may well be true, but he cannot make it into a SUPER dogma; but this is OLMC, the HQ of the RC that is 'Resistance Catholic' church, that we're talking about, so anything goes.

    Please pray for the remaining handful of seminarians that they receive the grace and strength to leave the place, learn French and travel over to Bishop Faure's seminary which is expanding all the time.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2016, 01:55:46 PM »
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    Does that formation still include geo-centrism as a SUPER dogma? I know that Fr Pfeiffer considers anyone there who doesn't take it as dogma as a heretic. Geo-centrism may well be true, but he cannot make it into a SUPER dogma; but this is OLMC, the HQ of the RC that is 'Resistance Catholic' church, that we're talking about, so anything goes.

    Please pray for the remaining handful of seminarians that they receive the grace and strength to leave the place, learn French and travel over to Bishop Faure's seminary which is expanding all the time.


    Great to know that Bishop Faure has a seminary in France.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #9 on: January 19, 2016, 02:11:58 PM »
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    Please pray for the remaining handful of seminarians that they receive the grace to ... learn French and travel over to Bishop Faure's seminary which is expanding all the time.

    LEARN FRENCH!?  Awww, do we really HAVE to?

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    « Reply #10 on: January 19, 2016, 03:40:47 PM »
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    Please pray for the remaining handful of seminarians that they receive the grace to ... learn French and travel over to Bishop Faure's seminary which is expanding all the time.

    LEARN FRENCH!?  Awww, do we really HAVE to?

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    Actually, I'm pretty sure it was said quite some time ago that if there was enough interest from English-speakers, that they would consider offering the courses in English as well.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 19, 2016, 03:44:39 PM »
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    Martin,

    Was Caleb's departure as a result of Pablo's ongoing influence?


    Yes and no -- to the extent that Pablo's presence affects the ability to run a suitable seminary, then yes. Specifically, Pablo influenced the decisions of priests who might otherwise still be working with the seminary and he also plays a part in the Resistance bishops' decision not to visit / support OLMC.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 11:30:56 AM »
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  • You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2016, 11:36:54 AM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?

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    « Reply #14 on: January 20, 2016, 11:45:19 AM »
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    You may call me crazy, but I don't think this is the end for the seminary in Boston, nor do I think that it is time to abandon Boston. It is a setback, though. I can see several ways this may go, and while some of these paths end up not so well, a few of these potential paths lead towards a better future for the seminary.

    It is going to take a lot of work.


    Is Fr. Pfeiffer making any effort to mend fences with +Williamson and/or +Faure?  If so, what is he doing?  If not, won't that be a serious to detriment to any hopes for attracting quality seminarians?


    Father Pfeiffer has reached out to Bishop Williamson on many occasions. Only time will tell when or if this will help the situation.

     

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