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Offline Orinoco

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Singing from the same hymn-sheet... ?
« on: January 21, 2013, 04:49:31 AM »
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  • In the light of this:

    http://en.gloria.tv/?media=388133

    ...is it not easier to understand this:

    http://www.dici.org/en/docuмents/what-assessment-50-years-after-vatican-ii/   ?

    Is Bishop Fellay trying to "sing from the same hymn-sheet" as Archbishop Di Noia:

    - a return to the "original charism" of an idealised Archbishop Lefebvre;

    - a more "spiWitual" approach which does not point the finger at anyone in particular;

    - remembering our station in the Church and abandoning the Eternal Rome/Conciliar Rome line...?

    ..etc. etc.... "Che Noia! - What a bore!"


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    Singing from the same hymn-sheet... ?
    « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 09:26:36 AM »
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  • From here:

    Quote from: Shamus
    He said some strickingly similar things to +Di Noia HERE

    A careful read of both texts is very revealing. I hope someone will have the time to do a thorough study. In the meantime, here are a couple of examples of what I meant:

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    +Di Noia
    What, then, is being asked of the Priestly Fraternity in the present situation? Not to abandon the zeal of your founder, Archbishop Lefebvre. Far from it! Rather you are being asked to renew the flame of his ardent zeal to form men in the priesthood of Jesus Christ. Surely, the time has come to abandon the harsh and counterproductive rhetoric that has emerged over the past years.

    That original charism entrusted to Archbishop Lefebvre must be recaptured, the charism of the formation of priests in the fullness of Catholic Tradition for the sake of undertaking an apostolate to the faithful that flows from this priestly formation. This was the charism the Church discerned when the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X was first approved in 1970. We recall Cardinal Gagnon’s favorable judgment of your seminary at Ecône in 1987.

    The authentic charism of the Fraternity is to form priests for the service of the people of God, not the usurpation of the office of judging and correcting the theology or discipline of others within the Church. Your focus should be on the inculcation of sound philosophical, theological, pastoral, spiritual, and human formation for your candidates so that they may preach the word of Christ and act as instruments of God’s grace in the world, especially through the solemn celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    Attention should certainly be paid to the passages of the Magisterium that seem difficult to reconcile with magisterial teaching, but these theological questions should not be the focus of your preaching or of your formation.

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    Fellay
    "The Mass lived out in the Christian spirit is the solution to the crisis

    Things start from there; now this original element is the Mass. This is THE solution and at the same time the great secret, which is not a secret because it belongs to the Church and it is not supposed to be secret, although there are so few people who know it. The good Lord arranged things this way: everything in the life of a Christian comes from the Mass, from the sacrifice of Our Lord on the cross. All the graces, all the merits, all that we need to resist temptations, all that we need to be healed of our wounds, everything flows from the sacrifice of Our Lord on the cross, which is perpetuated, renewed and re-presented – once again actually present, in a sacrifice that is identical to that of the cross – in the Mass.

    This is THE solution; not just as an act, but as the assimilation of that act, what we call the Christian spirit. In other words, it is not enough that Our Lord accomplished all that. The fact that Our Lord suffered and died places these goods at our disposal as though on a table, and if we want to benefit from them, we must assimilate these goods, and in order to do that it is necessary to receive them, we have to take them.

    This is the whole mystery of pastoral ministry – of the true pastoral care of souls, in other words, the work of the priest which consists of leading people to the reception of this grace and therefore bringing it to them: leading souls to Our Lord! If a priest manages to lead a soul to Our Lord, it is won! Everything is there.

    This is put very simply, but what I want to insist on (and this is really the great idea of Archbishop Lefebvre), the solution to this crisis, is the restoration not just of the sacraments, of liturgical and sacramental discipline, not just of the faith, but also of the element that His Excellency calls the Christian spirit. What does this mean?



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    +Di Noia

    In these circuмstances, while hope remains strong, it is clear that something new must be injected into our conversations if we are not to appear to the Church, to the general public, and indeed to ourselves, to be engaged in a well-meaning but unending and fruitless exchange. Some new considerations of a more spiritual and theological nature are needed, considerations that transcend the important but seemingly intractable disagreements over the authority and interpretation of Vatican Council II that now divide us, considerations that focus rather on our duty to preserve and cherish the divinely willed unity and peace of the Church

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    +Fellay
    God is counting on each one of us. Not only on Bishop Fellay or someone else, but on each one of us. We all have our duty in our state in life. To do one’s duty completely without omitting anything is to contribute actively to the rebirth of the Church, to her restoration and her victory. Of course this is done by cooperating with grace.

    I’m a little afraid that if we go off into grandiose theories, we attribute all the evil or all the good to someone or other. No, this is not the sort of question that we will have to answer when we arrive in the presence of our loving God at the end of our life. He will not ask us: “Well, did you believe that the end of the world was scheduled for December 21, 2012?” No, that is not the sort of question that awaits us. Any more than questions about Paul VI and the Council. Paul VI answers to the good Lord for what he did, and we are not the ones who will answer for him. On the contrary, what we did, what we said: that is what we will answer for.

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