I personally am completely un-interested in the topic.
Wish there was an easy way to down-thumb whole threads; too time-consuming to down-thumb zillions of individual posts.
This dust up is the result of my not "going along to get along" when these Neo-Trads have gone off the rails with their evaluations of the crisis.
Instead of clearly evaluating the situation from objective points of view, they have an emotional attachment to the crisis and seem to have been sucked into an addictive pattern.
I simply pointed out that to compare the Novus Ordo as Paul VI published it, is not equivalent of worse than a Black Mass in which in its fullest form involves the abuse of a child, his murder and the cannibalization of him as well as defilement of the Holy Eucharist.
So, for that I'm a "subversive" who is suddenly an advocate for the Novus Ordo.
This has lead to the smear campaign.
The latest salvo and the Fr. Kramer nonsense occurred when someone posted the famous non-quote of Bugnini about stripping from Catholic prayers everything that could be a stumbling block to the Protestants.,
I simply pointed out that the quote is not accurate and put the real quote up. It's not nearly as emotionally jarring or the sexy bit of condemnable proof that trads think it is. It is what it is and should be dealt with accordingly. If Bugnini didn't hang himself with the quote like people thought, then they have to find something else, something legitimate. You can't charge someone with first degree murder if you find out the pre-meditation was falsified, a good prosecutor will reduce the charge to something that can be proven.
The second quote posted in order to sway me (presumably from a position I don't hold towards the position held by those that aren't interested in reality but rather hooked into the emotions of the crisis) was the famous Dietrich von Hildebrand quote about one of the demons from C.S. Lewis' Screwtape Letters could not have ruined the liturgy more than what resulted in the Novus Ordo.
My reply was simply that in the same book, von Hildebrand does not claim the Novus Ordo is so bad that people should refrain from fulfilling their Sunday obligation by attending it. He stated they should attend it, and pray all the harder for a restoration.
I never said I agreed with that in toto. I simply wanted to make sure that von Hildebrand and Bugnini were both being truthfully represented.
But the truth seems to have slipped by the wayside in deference to the figurative pitchforks and torches crowd.
The attachment they have to their poisonous attitudes and erroneous beliefs are starting to cause problems in traditionalism. I'm sure the election and behavior of Francis has also resulted in a magnetic shift for people to be lured into their ideas.
There seems to be spiritual element to this as well. The demons are obviously working on trads in a different way than previously, trads with a lot of influence are becoming corrupted in their works. They forego the truth in favor of their agendas. That will ultimately nullify their effectiveness because their decisions will impede graces that they need to continue their work effectively. So, they will either fade away or become tools of the enemy.
What Malachi Martin warned about 25 years ago is taking root concerning the divisions in tradition. Bishop Williamson has obviously noticed it and is making efforts to reign it in to the best of his ability to persuade people to return to sanity.
One could argue that Bishop Fellay is reconciling the SSPX because of these people and their deviations from the truth. His "fear of a real schism" referenced in his letter to the three bishops is not without foundation. His solution is a disaster and in his weakness he doesn't see the need to be strong in tradition and fight the exaggerations the Devil pushes people towards in any direction but the truth.
I've been fighting independently since I've noticed this particular problem but I've received moral support on more than one occasion from some well-known and respected traditional luminaries as well as regular lay faithful that appreciate my little contributions. Of course, they might turn away or I might fumble as well, but I can't let that stop me from doing my moral duty and using the gifts I've been given for the most important tasks.
So I will keep fighting for the truth, for traditional Catholicism and I will keep pushing and pushing against every error I spot, until I get the indication that God wants me to stop and either do something else or someone else better than me steps up to the plate and takes on the crisis head on.