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Should we always think about martyrdom ?
« on: August 12, 2015, 09:18:24 AM »
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  • http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2015/08/should-we-always-think-about-martyrdom.html

    Our Lord : "Even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows"
    Matthew X, 30.

    In the Resistance, especially in the English-speaking Resistance, we can often read this kind of text  : "Catholic Martyrdom - French revolution - Vendée 1793 - 250,000 Deaths. We Catholics may well be headed to a very similar martyrdom.   Brace yourselves with the Rosary!"

    It is years this apocalyptic atmosphere lasts. It is not a good thing to think always about martyrdom, because it creates a negative and artificial atmosphere of insecurity. It creates unbalanced people. It makes people worry about the future while God wants them to live in the moment.
    God wants us to love him and to adore him now.
    He wants us to do his divine and holy will now. If we do now what God wants, he will take care of us either by giving us the strenght for martyrdom, if we are called to it, or by protecting us, if we are called to rebuild christianity after we will have had a chastisement.
    Some propheties tell that a lot of good christians will be protected in the next chastisement to come, because God will use later these christians to spread the faith in the whole world.
    Freemasons and people who don't love God are much more in danger than Catholics because a lot of propheties say they will die by the hand of God (natural disaster - cf. the sixth seal of Apocalypse)
    Instead of worrying for ourselves, we should worry for freemasons and sinners who are going straight to hell. They are preparing for themselves an eternity of horrible sufferings. Freemasons, while deceiving good people are themselves deceived by the devil who made them false promises. They do not realize that the same Lucifer who taught them to lie to people is lying to them, too. They are blinded by the temporary power they have on earth.

    Let's pray for their conversion and let's trust God for ourselves. If we prefer to die rather than to disobey God, we are sure our all-powerful and loving God will always chose what is the best for us. This certainty is sufficient. We have nothing to worry about, except not to do His will and the salvation of the poor souls of sinners.

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    Should we always think about martyrdom ?
    « Reply #1 on: August 12, 2015, 10:05:53 AM »
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  • I also know that the French are notorious for being anti-apocalyptic, and they also embrace the related behavior, which is worldliness.

    Here is the best way to sum it up: years ago, Bishop Williamson had a nickname throughout France: "Apocalypse Now".

    I realize it's a shortcut to say "don't like Bishop Williamson? Something's wrong with you." But I wish I could say this test has ever been wrong, in my experience. Those who like him tend to be serious, integral Catholics, Catholics with the least amount of worldliness/liberalism in their veins. Those who reject him usually have some "flaw" in their lifestyle or beliefs. I'm still looking for an exception :)

    It's not about the man himself, but what he stands for. Bishop Williamson is a personification of anti-Liberalism. He is totally against it, as well as the world and any errors it teaches. So the more you embrace the world and/or liberalism, the less you're going to like Bishop Williamson.

    I'll take Bishop Williamson's call to reject the world and fear its power -- and the truth that the Chastisement is around the corner and we should prepare by detaching ourselves from this transient world -- any day over the French way.

    Just look at France. Their country is getting taken over by the Muslims, and their birthrate is as bad as any European country's. Sure, there are a few good Catholics left, but that could be said about any country!
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    Should we always think about martyrdom ?
    « Reply #2 on: August 12, 2015, 04:00:52 PM »
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  • I think we should always be thinking about pleasing God, which in a way is always thinking about heaven.
    We should also be praying for the grace of final perseverance, which in a way is  being prepared for persecution/ martyrdom.
    To be in denial about reality, in my experience, is much more common (even among trads) than thinking too much about persecution/ martyrdom.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 12, 2015, 04:19:23 PM »
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  • What prompted the posting on Avec l'Immaculee?   I haven't noticed any particular apocalyptic atmosphere.   Have I missed some recent event?

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    « Reply #4 on: August 12, 2015, 04:59:26 PM »
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  • In place of the word "worry" replace it with "sorrow".

    There is a Pieta book that you may be familiar with.  It is on the New Order side, scriptural rosary.  When St. Joseph and Mary are in search of Jesus, Our Lady says to Jesus, we were worrying.  YET the bible states: Sorrow, they searched in Sorrow.

    We have pity, sorrow for the Freemasons.  We pray for them.

    Do we worry, for ourselves.  No, we pray for our needs and concerns.  Catholics don't worry.


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    Should we always think about martyrdom ?
    « Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 11:24:22 AM »
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  • For Matthew : I was not especially thinking of Bp Williamson when I wrote this article. It is a wider problem. There are often negative and pessimistic thoughts in the Resistance (ex : next war, next economic crisis, future martyrdom, etc.) It is bad for souls because it creates an atmosphere of anguish.

    Saint John of the cross says that without peace in the soul, it is impossible to become a saint and to improve our spiritual life. And I think there is a real danger for the souls of the Resistance because of these themes which often come back.

    I wrote this article because I received an email with this apocalyptic spirit and it is not the first time. To many publications have this spirit.... and it becomes dangerous for souls.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2015, 12:43:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I also know that the French are notorious for being anti-apocalyptic, and they also embrace the related behavior, which is worldliness.

    Here is the best way to sum it up: years ago, Bishop Williamson had a nickname throughout France: "Apocalypse Now".

    I realize it's a shortcut to say "don't like Bishop Williamson? Something's wrong with you." But I wish I could say this test has ever been wrong, in my experience. Those who like him tend to be serious, integral Catholics, Catholics with the least amount of worldliness/liberalism in their veins. Those who reject him usually have some "flaw" in their lifestyle or beliefs. I'm still looking for an exception :)

    It's not about the man himself, but what he stands for. Bishop Williamson is a personification of anti-Liberalism. He is totally against it, as well as the world and any errors it teaches. So the more you embrace the world and/or liberalism, the less you're going to like Bishop Williamson.

    I'll take Bishop Williamson's call to reject the world and fear its power -- and the truth that the Chastisement is around the corner and we should prepare by detaching ourselves from this transient world -- any day over the French way.

    Just look at France. Their country is getting taken over by the Muslims, and their birthrate is as bad as any European country's. Sure, there are a few good Catholics left, but that could be said about any country!

    After Bishop Williamson said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo I think he is even less popular with the French.

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    Should we always think about martyrdom ?
    « Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 05:22:15 AM »
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  • Bp Williamson was wrong when he said that... And it is not necessary to be French to think that. Every traditional catholic can understand it easily. Saint Paul said in gal. I, 7-9 " [7] Which is not another, only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."
    The modernists do not preach the same faith. The actual pope would be declared anathema by saint Paul.... So we cannot go to a mass of someone who would be declared "anathema" by saint Paul. Saint Thomas explains that "Anathema" means : "cut, separated from". So saint Paul teaches us to be separated from those who have not the same faith.


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    Should we always think about martyrdom ?
    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2015, 05:13:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: InDominoSperavi
    For Matthew : I was not especially thinking of Bp Williamson when I wrote this article. It is a wider problem. There are often negative and pessimistic thoughts in the Resistance (ex : next war, next economic crisis, future martyrdom, etc.) It is bad for souls because it creates an atmosphere of anguish.

    Saint John of the cross says that without peace in the soul, it is impossible to become a saint and to improve our spiritual life. And I think there is a real danger for the souls of the Resistance because of these themes which often come back.

    I wrote this article because I received an email with this apocalyptic spirit and it is not the first time. To many publications have this spirit.... and it becomes dangerous for souls.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but when I read factual information (not, of course, found in the controlled media) about WWIII, the economic breakdown, the bloody martyrdom of those in other nations and the persecution of pro-lifers, bakers, and florists here in the U.S. , I feel peace and calm. That is the world, worse, that is the world without God -- of course it's going to h--l. I am keeping my eyes on the Lord and doing my best to stay in a state of grace. He will be with us through the storm.

    In regard to the loose-lipped pope, the synod, and the upcoming speeches to the U.N. and U. S. Congress, I do feel anguish. However the anguish does not come from the messengers, it comes from the reality.

    Don't shoot the messenger.

    And like the Sisters always told us, "offer it up."
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