The Apostles also were activists, not lazy defeats, and that's part of the reason Christianity has grown so much it has. If they were lazy defeatists, like some of the Trump naysayers also are, Christianity, humanly speaking, would hardly have got off the ground. Lazy defeatism is a sin.

And the Apostles, except for one, all died as martyrs who would not compromise on their loyalty to Our lord and what He commanded them to do. No compromise. 

Have you seen the Dark Knight returns, SimpleMan? Bane tells Batman, "I broke you". He actually hadn't, but anyway, "broke" in this context means someone who defeated the agenda of another person. What I mean is, Pope Benedict XVI's defeated Bugnini's agenda. Even some years earlier, a Roman Congregation rebuked Bugnini for his wicked attempts to try to get the TLM banned as "casting odium on the Liturgical Tradition": "Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, whom Paul VI put in charge of the post-conciliar liturgical reform, wanted to obtain an explicit ruling to the effect that the Novus Ordo Missae of 1970 abrogates the Old Mass, so that the latter would be suppressed de jure. To apply for such a ruling to the Pontifical Commission for the Interpretation of Conciliar Docuмents, he needed permission from the Cardinal Secretary of State. On 10 June 1974 the Secretary of State refused to give the requested permission on the grounds that such an attempt would be seen as “casting odium on the liturgical tradition” (A. Bugnini, The Reform of the Liturgy 1948-1975, Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press, 1990, p. 300-301). https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7729

See also: "The Commissio Cardinalitia of 1986
In 1986 Pope John Paul II appointed a commission of nine cardinals to examine the legal status of the Old Mass. The commission consisted of Agostino Cardinal Casaroli, Bernard Cardinal Gantin, Paul Augustin Cardinal Mayer, Antonio Cardinal Innocenti, Silvio Cardinal Oddi, Petro Cardinal Palazzini, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Alfons Cardinal Stickler and Jozef Cardinal Tomko and it was instructed to examine whether the New Rite of Mass promulgated by Pope Paul VI abrogated the Old Rite, and whether a bishop can prohibit his priests from celebrating the Old Mass.

The commission met in December 1986. Eight of nine cardinals answered that the New Mass had not abrogated the Old Mass. The nine cardinals unanimously determined that Pope Paul VI never gave the bishops the authority to forbid priest from celebrating Mass according to the Missal of St Pius V." https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7729 These findings were confirmed by Pope Benedict XVI in Summorum Pontificuм. Some sedes place all the blame on the Popes, but none at all on Bugnini.

God Bless.

What one pope (B16) allows, another pope (Francis) can take away. That's why Rome needs to convert to the Catholic Faith, instead of just use the Catholic Faith to advance the Modernist agenda. Until Rome converts, the Old Mass isn't safe in the conciliar church. That's something that we can pray for. 

It seems that you don't want to say what your activism consists of, but you want us to join you in it. I don't understand that.

I suspect it's because it would reveal his true identity.  

Good point.  I see he never responded to your question about S&S considering the SSPX schismatic. 

"RobertS", is the SSPX schismatic?

Right, that's been the tactic of the last 2-3 Salza/Siscoe trolls that have shown up here, to come on pretending they're attacking SVism (and even favoring R&R), but it's evident from their principles that they consider all non-Motarian "Trad" Catholics to be schismatics and/or heretics.  He'll quote +Lefebvre when it's useful against SVism, but actually considers +Lefebvre to have been a schismatic (while Jorge is a perfeclty orthodox defender of the faith).

3 bishops? Sure. We'll see how long they will have that for.
If indult way is the way to go, why not have SSPX reconcile with FSSP? By the same logic they're no Judas either. Oh wait, they arent that different now anymore, are they?

I suspect it's because it would reveal his true identity. 

Agreed. 

The society chose the world instead of God.  

Is it time for a reconciliation between the Society and the Resistance? 12 years on, after the supposed "fall" of the Society, the Society still has 3 Bishops, 700 Priests, numerous Seminarians etc, and things look very good for the future of Catholic Tradition within the SSPX: "As of March 2021, the society had 3 bishops and 676 priests residing in 36 countries, 760 Mass centers, 159 priories, 135 religious brothers, 82 sister oblates, 190 seminarians in six seminaries, 63 pre-seminarians in three pre-seminaries.[46] Edizioni Piane is the FSSPX's official publishing house in its Italian district.[47]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Saint_Pius_X There is also harmony and unity.

Can the Resistance tell a similar story? It's been 12 years. Is the Resistance even in a comparable state to where, for e.g. the SSPX was in 1982? I don't think so, and I don't think anyone would argue that or be able to make that case. But if someone wants to, pls go ahead. Let's hear it. I think we don't see the missionary zeal of +ABL, along with the desire for unity among Priests and laity, and with and under their Bishops, in the Resistance of today. I respect +BW, I think His Excellency is a good and faithful traditional Catholic Bishop, and correct/right on many things, including Akita, his (non Wathenite) stance on the NOM etc. But H.E. does imo have a view somewhat common among trads.

I've seen a "chastisement mentality" among some trads, which includes believing that the end of the world/the great chastisement etc is always just some 5 or so years away, and that it's futile to plan for the future anything like 10 or 25 years later. This mentality has existed among some from the 1970s or so. It is destructive if not fatal to evangelistic or missionary success or the success of apostolates. Even Andrew Torba of Gab recently called out similar errors among Prots of "Pre-Trib" Rapture escapist fantasies being opposed to actually wanting to build things in the real world. Prots, not all perhaps, but a significant number of them, are famous for believing the Second Coming is a few years away and we can now "do nothing" anymore, since the world is allegedly too far gone. Torba rightly rebuked that. Rather, we should work harder, as the darkness grows.

So what do you think? Should the SSPX and the Resistance formally reconcile at, say, the General Chapter of 2030? The Society has not "betrayed" anything, nor is Bishop Fellay any "Judas". Rather, through doctrinal discussions and theological argumentation, the Society's best Priests - and top Theologians - has become fully convinced of the eventual necessity of Canonical Recognition. Since being an Indult traditional Catholic (and I think Matthew agrees with this, correct me if I'm wrong) is at least a licit position for a traditionalist to take, then it should be licit for Bishop Fellay to take it too. Beside, +ABL at many times said he was open to such a CR too.

God Bless.

1. You're Siscoe/Salza or a puppet of theirs, and so you're banned on the grounds of repeatedly re-joining CathInfo after being banned, which is contrary to the rules.

2. +ABL didn't need to "reconcile" with the Conciliar Church which went astray from the path of Truth -- it's the other way around. The same for the Resistance & SSPX split 40 years later. The one who SINS, who GOES ASTRAY from the right path, HE and HE ALONE is responsible for the split; HE ALONE needs to apologize and correct his course. It wasn't +ABL's (and others) fault that the Conciliar vs Traditional split happened after Vatican II. Likewise, it's not +Williamson's (and other resistance bishops) fault the SSPX went goo-goo for the Conciliar Church and Vatican II in the 2000's. In both cases, it's the fault of the person/group who LEFT the straight and narrow path.

3. Bishop Fellay, and the SSPX itself with its entire leadership, is 100% a Judas, guilty of betraying +ABL and his position, his trust, in leading countless Trad souls through the post-Vatican II desert. We can debate "what happened" or why it happened, but the fact remains that a betrayal has taken place.

The best SSPX priest(s) you could point to STILL has to labor under the 100% compromised leadership, which will eventually become a problem even for the best of SSPX priests. The SSPX, being a HUGE group with a wide variety of priests, is still doing good today, yes. However, they are a boat that is taking on water, and there is no human hope for the gash to be fixed. It's not just +Fellay or a handful of villains that could be replaced, etc. and everything would be fixed. No, they've managed to stuff ALL the management and positions of power with Accordistas -- liberals -- who take a liberal view towards Vatican II, the conciliar church, and even things like Evolution and the modern world.

4. For details, read Sean Johnson's FREE BOOK: https://www.cathinfo.com/c.htm.  NOTE Sean could easily write 2-3 more books of the same length right now -- finding instances of the SSPX working more with the Conciliar Church, etc. is becoming painfully easy and mundane. It's so easy to find evidence now, there's almost no point writing more books full of evidence. Eventually it's like walking outside and seeing the blue sky. No need to write a book about it. Everyone can see it for themselves now -- unless they are willfully blind, in which case not even 100 books full of evidence would sway them.

5. The fact you call it a "chastisement mentality" shows you're not a Trad, period. Trads know we're in an apocalyptic struggle against evil today. The World is NOT our friend, or even neutral. When we look at how corrupt the world is, and the direction things are going, the ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION is that we could only possibly have 5-10 years left. The whole thing could collapse at any time, and some things (economy, debt-money system, etc.) almost HAVE to collapse due to basic mathematics. Demographics, for example. You just can't replace 1/3 of Americans with those of drastically different cultures/beliefs and still have the same "America". Americans aren't reproducing enough, so our culture will not survive. PERIOD. It's an unbending rule of life in this world. Less than 2.1 children per couple, and a culture CANNOT SURVIVE. I think less than 1.6 and the destruction of the culture is permanent/unavoidable.

Indulters criticize the "bunker mentality" of Trads, but Trads know the truth: indulters are just Worldly. They are compromised with the modern world, its worldview, ideals, customs, etc. They are OF this world. Trads are not "of this world".