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Offline RobertS

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Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
« on: September 05, 2024, 05:58:44 AM »
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    • Is it time for a reconciliation between the Society and the Resistance? 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2024, 07:27:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 05:58:44 AM
    The Society has not "betrayed" anything, nor is Bishop Fellay any "Judas". ...

    Nothing but lies from the dirtbag Siscoe.  It's very well docuмented what Bernie Fellay and the neo-SSPX have betrayed, and it's an ongoing trainwreck.  They're sending "priests" of dubious validity out among the faithful, don't make a peep to condemn Bergoglio's daily litany of heresies, promoted openly Modernist-heretical works like Fr. Paul Robinson's trash, are constantly making public statement savoring of Modernism, having Conciliar presbyters witness Catholic marriages, and carrying water in general for Bergoglio.  Even +Vigano, a newcomer to Tradition, has realized that there's no more "fight" left in SSPX.  But then, according to the likes of yourself, there's nothing left TO "fight".  But on top of everything else, you're just an abject liar.  Sean Johnson put together an entire book docuмenting the betrayal by SSPX.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2024, 07:47:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 07:37:36 AM

    Lol. And if everything written in every book must necessarily be true ...

    False dilemma / starwman.  When you have an entire book that was able to be written on a subject, even if some of it is inaccurate, there's enought that remains standing to prove the case.  Everything in Sean's book has been docuмented from the original sources.

    This is to say nothing of the anecdotal evidence from those of us who were there at STAS in the 1980s/1990s who can attest to the complete tranformation of the SSPX culture and mindset.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2024, 07:54:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 07:37:36 AM
    Your errors are old and easily refuted, Ladislaus. What's especially worthy of note is more and more are rejecting them.

    Nobody's rejecting anything, despite your little fantasy that your own apostate mind is a reflection of objective reality.  One can hardly go a day without some additional either Traditional or Conciliar priest coming out in recognizing that Jorge is no Catholic but, rather, an Antipope.  We have tons of discusson on "mainstream" Conciliar media about whether Jorge's Catholic, something that was unthinkable 15-20 years ago.  No, it's the opposite of your bogus claim, as more and more people are waking up to the non-Catholicity of Jorge Bergoglio and the Conciliar Church.  But keep on enabling the apostasy.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2024, 07:56:33 AM »
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    • It's becoming more and more evident that the phenomenon of Jorge has been allowed by God as a final chance for the fence sitters to decide if they're going to be Catholic or Conciliar, a final sifting ... and people like Siscoe here are failing the test.  In order to keep justifying their fantasy that the Conciliar Church is recognizable as the Catholic Church, they do great violence to their sensus Catholicus, gradually ceasing to be Catholic altogether.  If someone doesn't recognize the radical incompatibility between the Concilair abomination and the Catholic Church, they've got very little if any faith left.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2024, 07:59:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 07:57:23 AM
    Lol. So if someone writes a book arguing Atheism or Islam is true, it must be true just because it has some claims docuмented within it?

    You're an idiot on top of being a degenerate apostate heretic/schismatic.  This book is docuмenting simple historical fact that can be verified and not arguing for an ideology.  If you want to claim that neo-SSPX is right and paleo-SSPX wrong, that's your choice, but the book is thoroughly docuмented and the shift as an objective reality is undeniable.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2024, 08:00:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 07:57:23 AM
    Listen: yes, we agree the SSPX has slightly modified its stance ...

    So you open your idiotic post by LOLing that it's untrue, but then conceding that it is true ... while of course attempting to minimize the change to "slightly modified".  You're pathetic and can't even keep track of your own contradictions.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2024, 08:08:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 07:37:36 AM

    Lol. And if everything written in every book must necessarily be true, then Salza and Siscoe wrote a book proving the last 6 Popes are true Popes, and I guess that must necessarily be true as well. As I said, the confusion among some in the Resistance like Sean (btw, someone posted on another thread that Sean Johnson self-identifies as a "practical sedevacantist" now, which shows some of his critiques are essentially from the sedevacantist perspective) come from failing to understand the Society has become fully convinced, through argument, reason and doctrine, that the Indult position is the way to go.

    Well, Salza and Siscoe also believe that the SSPX is schismatic, right?

    What are your views on Bp. Fellay's seer from the 1990's, Madame Rossiniere, who received information though supposed locutions that the SSPX would save the Church, if the SSPX adopted Madame Rossiniere's "Christ-Priest" brand of Catholicism. Bp. Fellay wanted very much for the SSPX to adopt Madame Rossiniere's methodology, but the other SSPX bishops did not, thank goodness.

    Do you agree with Madame Rossiniere and Bp. Fellay that the SSPX will save the Church? Because Archbishop Lefebvre never said that.

    Mme. Rossiniere (Cornaz) "Prophesizes" to Msgr. Fellay (1990's) - page 1 - SSPX Resistance News - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #8 on: September 05, 2024, 08:12:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 05, 2024, 08:08:22 AM
    Well, Salza and Siscoe also believe that the SSPX is schismatic, right?

    Which is why I don't think he's Siscoe. Clever account name, but not Siscoe.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #9 on: September 05, 2024, 08:14:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 05, 2024, 08:12:41 AM
    Which is why I don't think he's Siscoe. Clever account name, but not Siscoe.

    That's assuming that he's being honest. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #10 on: September 05, 2024, 09:11:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 05:58:44 AM
    Rather, we should work harder, as the darkness grows.

    Work harder for what, exactly? And how are you yourself going about working harder (within the conciliar church)?
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #11 on: September 05, 2024, 09:59:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 09:45:25 AM
    For the TLM to be more widely available within the Church. Moi? By activism for the same cause. The Mass/Liturgy matters. Lest we next hear the strawman that Indult traditionalists don't care about doctrine, we do. I respect both Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Feeney. Archbishop Lefebvre was right to promote the doctrine of Christ the King in Rome, and Fr. Feeney was correct to say we need to be evangelizing souls and preaching to them the necessity of faith in Christ and the sacrament of Baptism. It's only some of the extremists who profess to be their disciples but reject many of their teachings and also reject full communion with the Roman Catholic Church who fall into error.

    I asked how you are going about working harder within the conciliar church. What EXACTLY are you doing in your activism for the cause? Please explain how and what your activism consists of. Is there a reason why you cannot be specific?
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #12 on: September 05, 2024, 10:19:06 AM »
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    • You will find out in Heaven, Meg, when all things will be disclosed. The Savior said to keep your works secret and known most of all to the Heavenly Father, as for e.g. Mother Mary did, so that the Father who sees in secret will reward you. I do not need or seek praise or approval from man. I seek to please God, as St. Paul the Apostle said he did and actually did. I'm all in on TLM advocacy and its importance. I oppose running away and defeatism, and "chastisement mentality" and related errors. Some sede and sede lite errors, some other errors not related to SVism.
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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #13 on: September 05, 2024, 10:27:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: RobertS on September 05, 2024, 10:19:06 AM
    You will find out in Heaven, Meg, when all things will be disclosed. The Savior said to keep your works secret and known most of all to the Heavenly Father, as for e.g. Mother Mary did, so that the Father who sees in secret will reward you. I do not need or seek praise or approval from man. I seek to please God, as St. Paul the Apostle said he did and actually did. I'm all in on TLM advocacy and its importance. I oppose running away and defeatism, and "chastisement mentality" and related errors. Some sede and sede lite errors, some other errors not related to SVism.

    It seems that you don't want to say what your activism consists of, but you want us to join you in it. I don't understand that.

    First and foremost, we are to work hard to save our souls, and to distance ourselves from error and heresy. Engaging in activism can sometimes seem like we are working to save our souls, when in reality it can lead to pridefulness. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should the Society and the Resistance reconcile?
    « Reply #14 on: September 05, 2024, 10:36:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 05, 2024, 10:27:57 AM
    It seems that you don't want to say what your activism consists of ...

    His activism clearly entails coming on CI to attack (and purportedly "convert") us heretical/schismatic Trads back to the Conciliar religion.  Pay no attention to the fact that 95%+ of Conciliars are in open/blatant heresy (by their own polling data) ... no "activism" required there, to convert the Conciliars to Catholicism.  That's because, as per Salza/Siscoe, people like Joe Biden are Catholics in good standing but +Lefebvre was a schismatic outside the Church.  These absurdities demonstrate clearly the bad will behind their position.

    Maybe he can write to Jorge to encourage him to allow more Tridentine Masses and reverse course on his recent attempts to suppress it.  Of course, that would be a waste of time ... and the fact that he knows it's a waste of time speaks volumes about his dishonesty.

    At the end of the day, though, he's not really trying to convince us.  He's trying to convince himself ... that he's not a traitor to the Church and the faith by constantly defending and enabling the Conciliar replacement for the Church.
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