Author Topic: Should SSPX accept the Prelature offer made by Pope Francis? (Read 6293 times)

Charlemagne · « **Reply #15 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:28:51 PM »

Quote from: snowball

SSPX will nominate 3 of its own to be their bishop, independent
of all other ordinary bishops who share the same lands, and
there are no terms here, they don't have to accept any of V2,
don't have to do anything, except become a prelature like Opus Dei.

SSPX was never full blown sedevacantist.

Refusing this offer would be grounds for irrevocable
excommunication.

Better to have tradition in than have it without, because
without can ALWAYS be maintained, and sure it will be,
there is nothing to lose.

Excommunication from WHAT, exactly, a brood of vipers? I'll take my chances and let God sort it out.

ihsv · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:34:14 PM »

Snowball, all the way through. When you're done, you'll have a better handle on why Rome is pushing for a deal:

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #17 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:34:59 PM »

It's like trying to convert the cannibal from the inside...

It may not work well at all, except for the cannibal. :ready-to-eat:

mw2016 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:46:43 PM »

Quote from: snowball

Refusing this offer would be grounds for irrevocable
excommunication.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read here.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #19 on:** September 09, 2016, 04:17:37 PM »

Charlemagne:

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Excommunication from WHAT, exactly, a brood of vipers? I'll take my chances and let God sort it out.

Yeah, the exact same question occurred to me. Excommunication from what? The early 1st. century disciples were thrown out of the ѕуηαgσgυє. It doesn't seem to have hurt the Christian movement that much.

Matthew · « **Reply #20 on:** September 09, 2016, 05:17:41 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Charlemagne:
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Excommunication from WHAT, exactly, a brood of vipers? I'll take my chances and let God sort it out.

Yeah, the exact same question occurred to me. Excommunication from what? The early 1st. century disciples were thrown out of the ѕуηαgσgυє. It doesn't seem to have hurt the Christian movement that much.

Interesting you should say "the ѕуηαgσgυє".

We're ALSO being excommunicated from a mere ѕуηαgσgυє -- considering how the Conciliar Church thinks of "our elder brothers" and those "who still have a valid Covenant with God".

To those in the Conciliar Church, it's completely unacceptable to think of the Jews as needing conversion anymore. The Conciliar Church has completely sold out to the ѕуηαgσgυє, along with many of its creations, such as Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Communism (just look at Pope Francis).

snowball · « **Reply #21 on:** September 09, 2016, 06:09:05 PM »

Do you want schism or a chance to change Rome from within ?

If you want schism, then ask someone to accept the primacy
of the Church, in your estimation of things, and if they accept,
you'll be the real Catholic church. Do you think Williamson would
accept that proposal ? Probably not !

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #22 on:** September 09, 2016, 06:33:22 PM »

The only difference between today and the 1970's is that today the evil in Rome is totally obvious to everyone (Bergolio is in the raw, unlike JPII & B16 that could fool the people), so why would a son of Abp. Lefebvre want to join Rome now? Only one reason, they have been slow boiled over time. For the young, they never were SSPX.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 09, 2016, 06:47:49 PM »

Quote from: snowball

Do you want schism or a chance to change Rome from within ?

If you want schism, then ask someone to accept the primacy
of the Church, in your estimation of things, and if they accept,
you'll be the real Catholic church. Do you think Williamson would
accept that proposal ? Probably not !

Was St. Athanasius in schism when most of the Church had defected to Arianism?

Prayerful · « **Reply #24 on:** September 09, 2016, 07:12:56 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: noOneImportant
I am not a fan of straight having a straight yes/no poll on the topic. My opinion on the matter is that it depends entirely on the details of the offer and the conditions under which it is offered.

And that's the beauty of a prelature... only Francis and the inner xSPX sanctum know what the conditions are.

The average Catholic in the pews will never know.

St. Escriva... founder of Opus judie and the prelature rackets, please guide us on how to vote!

Opus Dei do possibly control the Spanish government (several cabinet members in it). It is just so unexpected that they do Sweet Fanny Adams for the Faith. I better tell Pope Francis.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 09, 2016, 07:28:40 PM »

"Maurice" keeps a more careful eye on Opus Judei than the "Pope":

Opus Judei
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/02/opus-judei.html

Opus Judei Glosses on the тαℓмυdic Novus Ordo "Offertory"
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/02/opus-judei-glosses-on-тαℓмυdic-novus.html

Opus Judei Founder, Escriba Preached Kabbalistic Doctrine, Tikkun Olam
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/07/opus-judei-founder-escriba-preached.html

"Opus Dei" "Hebrew Catholic" Connection
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/02/opus-dei-hebrew-catholic-connection.html

Aleah · « **Reply #26 on:** September 10, 2016, 07:00:55 AM »

Quote from: mw2016

Quote from: snowball

Refusing this offer would be grounds for irrevocable
excommunication.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read here.

You are one harsh woman.

snowball · « **Reply #27 on:** September 10, 2016, 01:16:36 PM »

Quote from: Aleah

Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: snowball

Refusing this offer would be grounds for irrevocable
excommunication.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read here.

You are one harsh woman.

yeah, well.. it's not dumb anyway..

Cato · « **Reply #28 on:** September 10, 2016, 03:03:34 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

...so why would a son of Abp. Lefebvre want to join Rome now?

SSPX never left Rome. Vatican flags still sit next to its alters and pictures of Francis are in the narthex.

Now some traditional Catholics believe Rome has fallen into heresy and is a new and different religion. And, they have deluded themselves into thinking that the SSPX was or is, a separate religious entity - perhaps keeping true to the faith. They have created, or bought, into some sort of "founding myth" that the Archbishop bravely saw the errors of Vatican II and went out and started (or maintained) his own religion to preserve true Christianity. They believe that Bishop Fellay became corrupt and is trying to "rejoin" Rome and destroy what the Archbishop created.

Even Roman authorities have made a similar mistake. Even minor Novos Ordo bishops often make the mistake in assuming that because SSPX isn't neatly within the Roman power structure it must be in schism.

The SSPX has always been part of Rome; Bishop Fellay is only seeking some sort of regularization.

Incredulous · « **Reply #29 on:** September 11, 2016, 01:10:47 AM »

+ABL founded the SSPX under Canonical procedures and distanced it from the mass schism that overtook Rome.

The consiliar Church of Vatican II represents an infiltration and physical takeover of modernists, freemasons and jews who are in schism, with the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Father Hesse explains this concept well, if you need more understanding of it.

Bishop Fellay, knowing full well the dangers of the schismatic newChurch, has betrayed his predecessor and covertly acted for 17 years to put the SSPX back under the Consiliar schism.

Bishop Fellay knows Francis is blatantly defying the First Commandment with his organization of the One World Religion.

If you don't believe that, then here's another recent video of Francis proclaiming it.

Bishop Fellay has become corrupt, is a liar... and is trying to lead all of Tradition to perdition.

So, put that into your pipe and smoke it. :detective: