Author Topic: Should SSPX accept the Prelature offer made by Pope Francis? (Read 5594 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** September 07, 2016, 02:20:39 PM »

Hey fellow trads... Take part in our poll!

A few days ago, videos of Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, were on the web, showing him nervously reciting to New Zealand faithful, what the offer of a Personal Prelature to the SSPX by the Vatican looked like.

We don't know much details about the properties, dogmatic compromises ...etc., but who cares?

So our Cathinfo poll (open for 7 days) asks you your opinion on the nutty offer. Please, have a say!

When If Francis offers a Prelature to Society of St Pius X (SSPX), should they accept it?

Cathinfo September 7, 2016

mw2016 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2016, 02:25:36 PM »

Thanks for putting it here, since I surely will never join Twitter.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2016, 06:11:25 PM »

Please vote in the new poll, "Should the SSPX accept a Prelature deal from the Pope?"
http://www.cathinfo.com/poll/sspx/

You don't have to be a member of CathInfo OR Twitter to participate in this poll.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2016, 09:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

A few days ago, videos of Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, were on the web, showing him nervously reciting to New Zealand faithful, what the offer of a Personal Prelature to the SSPX by the Vatican looked like.

We don't know much details about the properties, dogmatic compromises ...etc., but who cares?

So I wonder why New Zealand is the guinea pig congregation.

Wasn't there a precedent for +Fellay making a far-out announcement in New Zealand first?

noOneImportant · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2016, 12:05:54 AM »

I am not a fan of straight having a straight yes/no poll on the topic. My opinion on the matter is that it depends entirely on the details of the offer and the conditions under which it is offered.

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2016, 01:49:42 AM »

Quote from: noOneImportant

I am not a fan of straight having a straight yes/no poll on the topic. My opinion on the matter is that it depends entirely on the details of the offer and the conditions under which it is offered.

And that's the beauty of a prelature... only Francis and the inner xSPX sanctum know what the conditions are.

The average Catholic in the pews will never know.

St. Escriva... founder of Opus judie and the prelature rackets, please guide us on how to vote!

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:36:07 AM »

they should not accept it, but they will. People need to get off this sinking ship that is the SSPX

William P Topper · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2016, 07:32:06 AM »

Are we to understand that the SocietySPX is being offered the prelature or is that honour being offered to the person in charge of that Society, so that is may become a personal feather on the cap of the top leadership of SSPX, towing along through nice rhetoric the followers of SSPX -- regardless the quite obvious consequences -- which other traditional groups have experienced putting themselves under the "care" of the present hierarchy in Rome.
One would have to study very closely the conditions laid down; regulations drawn up; practices adhered to; dogmatic and statutory principles; etc. before a yes or no vote could be given whether it would be wise for SSPX to find itself in an irreversible situation once accepted an overseeing by Rome.
The "honour" of a personal grandeur (read -"vainglory") or prelature is a very great temptation for many a person, humility and the cause for proper conduct missing, as well as the intellectualy capacity for objective observation of the current environment and political persuasions.

Vatican confirms SSPX is being offered Personal Prelature ...
Jun 14, 2012 ... The Vatican has confirmed that the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X is being offered the status of a personal prelature as part of a deal to heal ...
www.catholicnewsagency.com/.../vatican-confirms-sspx-is-being-offered- personal-prelature/

May God's Will prevail for the wellbeing of all concerned.
Your in J.M.J.

truthchaser · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2016, 07:52:52 AM »

From my earliest days as a convert to the Catholic Faith (long before Vatican II), I was taught to keep clear of bad company, and also to avoid the occasions of sin. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the present occupants of the seats of power in the Vatican would undeniably be bad company, and I have little doubt that their attitude to Tradition, and the lack of good example in their daily lives, could surreptitiously weaken my Faith and lead me into occasions of sin.

I have no wish to go along that path, and I cannot believe that the Director General of the SSPX would want to take it either.

I support all four of the intentions behind Bishop Fellay's 2016/17 Rosary Crusade, and I trust that the Immaculate Heart of Mary will protect us during these interminable discussions.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2016, 09:13:12 AM »

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And that's the beauty of a prelature... only Francis and the inner xSPX sanctum know what the conditions are.

Exactly! The 'sheeple' will be told to 'trust your superiors', 'trust in providence', etc. Catholics must trust God, and follow his Truth, not trust men!

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One would have to study very closely the conditions laid down; regulations drawn up; practices adhered to; dogmatic and statutory principles; etc. before a yes or no vote could be given whether it would be wise for SSPX to find itself in an irreversible situation once accepted an overseeing by Rome.

Exactly! Other groups have done the same thing, with horrific consequences. And, yes, this is an IRREVERSIBLE decsion.

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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the present occupants of the seats of power in the Vatican would undeniably be bad company, and I have little doubt that their attitude to Tradition, and the lack of good example in their daily lives, could surreptitiously weaken my Faith and lead me into occasions of sin.

Exactly!

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...and I trust that the Immaculate Heart of Mary will protect us during these interminable discussions.

Our Lady will protect you (and those who are open to the Truth) by letting you see the evils that will happen, as you describe above. She will protect you by showing you that the sspx ship is sinking so you can get off. She WILL NOT save the sspx against the leadership's bad will/decisions, but she can save the individuals who want her guidance. We all have free will (and so do the leaders of the sspx); not even Our Lady can save someone from a wrong decision, if they are obstinate (and either the sspx leadership is obstinate, or they are mentally retarded).

Incredulous · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2016, 09:19:25 AM »

Imagine a scene, where Columbo individually questions Bp. Fellay, Fr. Schmidberger, Phluger and Max Krah about:
money, real-estate and their motivations to put themselves under Francis.

snowball · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2016, 02:36:09 PM »

SSPX will nominate 3 of its own to be their bishop, independent
of all other ordinary bishops who share the same lands, and
there are no terms here, they don't have to accept any of V2,
don't have to do anything, except become a prelature like Opus Dei.

SSPX was never full blown sedevacantist.

Refusing this offer would be grounds for irrevocable
excommunication.

Better to have tradition in than have it without, because
without can ALWAYS be maintained, and sure it will be,
there is nothing to lose.

snowball · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:05:34 PM »

Rome will never be transformed without tradition inside
of her. The other route is schism.

ihsv · « **Reply #13 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:22:45 PM »

Quote from: snowball

Rome will never be transformed without tradition inside
of her. The other route is schism.

It's not our job to transform Rome. Our job is to keep the faith, and that's not going to happen when you become part of the "Borg Collective".

Rome to the SSPX: "Lower your standards and surrender your principals. We will add your ideological and financial distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile"

Any idiot knows that when you're dealing with infectious diseases such as heresy, you put barriers between you and the one infected, for the sake of self-preservation.

"A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment." (Titus 3:10-11)

Charlemagne · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2016, 03:24:27 PM »

My family and I attended our final SSPX Mass this past Sunday (a three-hour, one-way drive; it's the closest Mass we have). If we have to become home-aloners, so be it. I will not compromise.

"Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?" -- 2 Corinthians 6:14-15