Author Topic: Should I attend SSPX chapels? (Read 3651 times)

Pelly · « **on:** May 15, 2015, 09:28:23 AM »

There is an SSPX chapel in Hungary that was closed for a while. At the same time, a Resistance chapel opened its doors. Both chapels had their schedules posted on my local Trad site. Last year, the Mass schedule for the Resistance chapel became unavailable. Meanwhile, services have been resumed in the SSPX chapel. I've found their schedule their official site, but for some reason, the local site does not post their schedule. I think the site has distanced itself from the SSPX for obvious reasons (It used to post schedules for Motarian chapels before the site decided to distance itself from the NO).
So, should I attend that SSPX chapel?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2015, 01:58:30 PM »

I don't see why you wouldn't. I'm not a red-lighter by any means.

JPaul · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2015, 02:06:59 PM »

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I don't see why you wouldn't. I'm not a red-lighter by any means.

I agree. By all means go to receive the sacraments, for as long as it remains safe to do so.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2015, 02:08:36 PM »

Quote from: Pelly

There is an SSPX chapel in Hungary that was closed for a while. At the same time, a Resistance chapel opened its doors. Both chapels had their schedules posted on my local Trad site. Last year, the Mass schedule for the Resistance chapel became unavailable. Meanwhile, services have been resumed in the SSPX chapel. I've found their schedule their official site, but for some reason, the local site does not post their schedule. I think the site has distanced itself from the SSPX for obvious reasons (It used to post schedules for Motarian chapels before the site decided to distance itself from the NO).
So, should I attend that SSPX chapel?

You haven't said anything about the actual chapel. It's very much a prudential decision.

A person sitting there in the pews knows when it's time to leave -- or at least he SHOULD know.

People from outside giving you a recommendation is something like "unasked-for advice" as far as its intrinsic value. How could an outsider know if you should attend or not? They would merely be spouting their own biases based on their OWN experiences with the SSPX in their area. And many would be grinding their own axes (against the SSPX, R&R position, etc.)

There is currently no dogmatic reason for all Catholics to cease attending all SSPX chapels. So if you leave, it's basically deciding the SSPX "isn't for you" which anyone can decide at any time -- as long as they have another Mass option.

JPaul · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »

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Quote from: Pelly
There is an SSPX chapel in Hungary that was closed for a while. At the same time, a Resistance chapel opened its doors. Both chapels had their schedules posted on my local Trad site. Last year, the Mass schedule for the Resistance chapel became unavailable. Meanwhile, services have been resumed in the SSPX chapel. I've found their schedule their official site, but for some reason, the local site does not post their schedule. I think the site has distanced itself from the SSPX for obvious reasons (It used to post schedules for Motarian chapels before the site decided to distance itself from the NO).
So, should I attend that SSPX chapel?

You haven't said anything about the actual chapel. It's very much a prudential decision.

A person sitting there in the pews knows when it's time to leave -- or at least he SHOULD know.

People from outside giving you a recommendation is something like "unasked-for advice" as far as its intrinsic value. How could an outsider know if you should attend or not? They would merely be spouting their own biases based on their OWN experiences with the SSPX in their area. And many would be grinding their own axes (against the SSPX, R&R position, etc.)

There is currently no dogmatic reason for all Catholics to cease attending all SSPX chapels. So if you leave, it's basically deciding the SSPX "isn't for you" which anyone can decide at any time -- as long as they have another Mass option.

That is sound advice. Not to let the opinions of others dictate your spiritual needs.

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A person sitting there in the pews knows when it's time to leave -- or at least he SHOULD know.

Pelly · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2015, 02:51:22 AM »

Firstly, I think that all SSPX chapels use the 1962+ Mass.
Second, they include Bergoglio in their prayers. There were some infighting on that matter which led to the Resistance chapel.

Nadir · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:02:11 AM »

Your second point is not true. Both SSPX and Resistance pray for Pope Francis.

BTW, did you move closer to the chapel or did the chapel move closer to you?

Prayerful · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2015, 05:07:26 AM »

Maybe they pray for the NO Pope's conversion to Catholicism.

Pelly · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2015, 04:10:18 AM »

@Prayerful Under including Bergoglio I meant including his name in the post-Canon collection, which implies that they are in communion with him (so-called "una cuм" Masses).
And the chapel haven't move closer, and I couldn't move there yet.
And the 1962+ Mass, albeit not invalid, is still a source of scandal.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2015, 07:47:28 AM »

Pelly, I didn't know you were SV.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2015, 11:26:02 AM »

Quote from: Pelly

@Prayerful Under including Bergoglio I meant including his name in the post-Canon collection, which implies that they are in communion with him (so-called "una cuм" Masses).
And the chapel haven't move closer, and I couldn't move there yet.
And the 1962+ Mass, albeit not invalid, is still a source of scandal.

You don't seem to understand the Resistance. It is basically a continuation of Archbishop Lefebvre's SSPX as it was as recently as the 1990's.

This includes being non-sedevacantist (Recognize and Resist), using the 1962 Missal, and saying "una cuм" Masses where the Pope's name is mentioned in the Canon. Both SSPX and Resistance Masses are offered in communion with the Pope.

The Resistance is not a sedevacantist movement. It only has a problem with the SSPX being turned into an identical (albeit larger) twin of the FSSP. That is the new goal of Bishop Fellay and a cabal of SSPX priests, who constitute quite a percentage actually. To achieve their goal of receiving approval from Modernist Rome, they have already implemented quite a plethora of compromises.

Remember, marrying a woman doesn't cause a man to begin to love her. It merely "puts a ring on it" -- it blesses the love that is already there, and begins a sacramental union. Likewise, the love, devotion, and obedience is already there between many SSPX priests and Modernist Rome -- they just haven't put a ring on it yet. But the lack of criticism, the changing of doctrines and mindsets, etc. is already there.

Those who aren't interested in attending the Indult or FSSP will naturally have a problem with the SSPX changing into such.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2015, 03:07:36 PM »

Quote from: Pelly

There is an SSPX chapel in Hungary that was closed for a while. At the same time, a Resistance chapel opened its doors. Both chapels had their schedules posted on my local Trad site. Last year, the Mass schedule for the Resistance chapel became unavailable. Meanwhile, services have been resumed in the SSPX chapel. I've found their schedule their official site, but for some reason, the local site does not post their schedule. I think the site has distanced itself from the SSPX for obvious reasons (It used to post schedules for Motarian chapels before the site decided to distance itself from the NO).
So, should I attend that SSPX chapel?

The Neo-SSPX is in a time of transition. Nowadays the SSPX Chapel in question will be identifiable as either Catholic or Marxist Modernist. Because we are Catholics, and not Jansenists, our Catholic sense is that through the use of our human reason assisted by grace we are fully able to make rational judgements and be adults who are morally responsible for our actions.

Therefore when there is a Marxist agenda at work in a Neo-SSPX Chapel we should be able to perceive this through the use of reason and avoid such Marxist Chapels. Because reason would indicate that the clergy in such Chapels are Marxist Modernists and the last thing such men would ever allow would be the distribution of legitimate Catholic sacraments anywhere under their tyrannical control. In particular, when the SSPX clergy act under the recognised authority of the Novus Ordo bishops, like in Argentina, then we should clearly understand that such clergy are in humble truth the Marxist emissaries of Satan.

As Our Lord has noted, the Devil does not cast out devils.

Where the clergy of the SSPX Chapel in question are still obedient Catholics in faith and morals, then we should avail ourselves of the still legitimate sacraments present there and be humbly grateful to do so. Where the Resistance is present they deserve our full-time support and we should wish the Catholics still in their nearby Neo-SSPX Chapels well, but fear for their souls.

We are in a time of transition and the normal Catholic use of human reason assisted by prayer and fasting is normally the best means we have to know how best to remain Roman Catholics in good standing. Then we will know which sacraments are legitimate Catholic sacraments and which are actually soul-killing Marxist bastard plagiaries.

The crucial thing is to avoid the temptation to fideist rationalist sedevacantist Jansenism and never become anti-social anti-Roman provincial sectarians or home-aloners. We must seek the Lord gladly wherever He may be found.

Prayerful · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2015, 07:36:56 PM »

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Maybe they pray for the NO Pope's conversion to Catholicism.

I suggest the downvoters go through statements like one where he has Our Lady accusing Our Lord of lying by dying on the Cross, or repeated words and gestures recognising heretics, and say how they are orthodox.