Author Topic: Should be the Official Picture of the Resistance (Read 3414 times)

Your Friend Colin · « **Reply #35 on:** November 21, 2019, 12:08:59 AM »

Quote from: ByzCat3000 on November 21, 2019, 12:04:19 AM

It's honestly just common sense. If the Pope wasn't protected by the Holy Ghost, then how do you know that what you believe isn't evil?
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How do you know? I mean you have to use your own private judgment to decide too, you just decide that he's not Pope too, if you don't like what he says.

Because the Church told me so... And I believe in the promises of our Lord... No I'm not using my private judgement. This is public knowledge.

"I believe these truths and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived."

I believe in the Indefectibility and Infallibility of the Catholic Church because God has revealed it. That's not private judgment.

I don't think anything of what I'm saying is getting through...

Mr G · « **Reply #36 on:** November 21, 2019, 12:15:25 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 20, 2019, 08:08:53 AM

That’s a fair point, and truth be told, I’m not sure I would post it again if I had a chance to reconsider.

I guess I was thinking of it as a pictorial of what actually would be happening if Christ deposed the pope.

But I May also have let my revulsion for Francis eclipse my respect for his office, and I repent of having posted the picture.

That picture is actually not that bad, depending on your motive; similar the point that Archbishop Lefebvre had when sending the cartoon to Pope John Paul II

Stubborn · « **Reply #37 on:** November 21, 2019, 01:16:36 PM »

Quote from: Your Friend Colin on November 20, 2019, 11:16:18 PM

"Beyond the mountains" would be the transliteration. European description. over the Alps in to Italy.

The Pope when teaching to the whole church in matters of faith and morals is infallibly safe to follow. It might not be infallible in the strictest sense of the word because it's not ex cathedra, but his teachings and commands to the whole church can NOT contain pernicious errors. The Pope can say that the moon is made out of cheese, but he can't teach that public adulterers can receive Holy Communion (Franky!).

This isn't my opinion. This is the teaching of the Church's theologians on the Magisterium and Infallibility.

I am pretty sure that sedes do not believe in the dogma of papal infallibility at all.

Let's put it like this, if you actually believe in the dogma - which we are all bound to believe, then it is through faith in the dogma that you know with dogmatic certainty whenever the pope speaks error to the whole Church, what he said was not divinely protected.

Trying to convince people that everything he teaches to the whole church is infallibly safe, is Novus Ordo thinking, which, whoever *really* believes this should certainly be Novus Ordo themselves.

The only alternatives are that they either do not believe the dogma, which is the actual reason for sedeism, or they believe the dogma on papal infallibility is in error.

Your Friend Colin · « **Reply #38 on:** November 21, 2019, 03:12:18 PM »

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Let's put it like this, if you actually believe in the dogma - which we are all bound to believe, then it is through faith in the dogma that you know with dogmatic certainty whenever the pope speaks error to the whole Church, what he said was not divinely protected.

The Pope can't teach pernicious error to the whole Church. That's what the Church teaches, pal.

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Trying to convince people that everything he teaches to the whole church is infallibly safe, is Novus Ordo thinking, which, whoever *really* believes this should certainly be Novus Ordo themselves.

Yes, everything the Church teaches us IS infallibly safe to believe.

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Canon George Smith, Ph.D. D.D. (originally published in The Clergy Review)

But there are other truths in the Catholic religion which are not formally revealed by God but which nevertheless are so connected with revealed truth that their denial would lead to the rejection of God's word, and concerning these the Church, the guardian as well as the teacher of the revealed word, exercises an infallible teaching authority. "Dogmatic facts,"² theological conclusions, doctrines - whether of faith or morals - involved in the legislation of the Church, in the condemnation of books or persons, in the canonisation of saints, in the approbation of religious orders - all these are matters coming within the infallible competence of the Church, all these are things which every Catholic is bound to believe when the Church pronounces upon them in the exercise of her supreme and infallible teaching office. He accepts them not by divine-Catholic faith, for God has not revealed them, but by ecclesiastical faith, by an assent which is based upon the infallible authority of the divinely appointed Church. Theologians, however, point out that even ecclesiastical faith is at least mediately divine, since it is God who has revealed that His Church is to be believed: "He that heareth you heareth me."

http://strobertbellarmine.net/believe.html

This is what Catholics believe, Stubborn.

Incredulous · « **Reply #39 on:** November 21, 2019, 06:32:59 PM »

Perhaps the 1st Pope of the 6th Age of the Church will just put all the modern popes on trial?

It's an interesting Catholic tradition.

And I wonder which pope's trial would require the most court time?

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