Author Topic: Sharon Jane Ballatine (Read 50132 times)

tradical · « **Reply #165 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:25:01 AM »

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If you don't understand your enemy, you end up like +Fellay and company. I had a good teacher, former SSPX priest Father Hector Bolduc (RIP) that understood the enemy, and dealt with them the way the Church teaches us to deal with enemies of the Church. You simply go back to the way it was, UNCHANGED before the Crisis of Faith, and until THEY convert back to Catholicism, you continue to practice the Catholic Faith.

"The Church is where the FAITH is." -- Saint Athanasius

If a person, in their desire to hold onto the Faith, denies the primacy of Peter's successor and refuses submission to a lawful command because of this denial - then they have lost the Faith.

God Bless!

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #166 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:30:36 AM »

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If you don't understand your enemy, you end up like +Fellay and company. I had a good teacher, former SSPX priest Father Hector Bolduc (RIP) that understood the enemy, and dealt with them the way the Church teaches us to deal with enemies of the Church. You simply go back to the way it was, UNCHANGED before the Crisis of Faith, and until THEY convert back to Catholicism, you continue to practice the Catholic Faith.

"The Church is where the FAITH is." -- Saint Athanasius

If a person, in their desire to hold onto the Faith, denies the primacy of Peter's successor and refuses submission to a lawful command because of this denial - then they have lost the Faith.

God Bless!

:dancing:

Pray tell, what "lawful commands" have been issued thus far?

God bless!!!

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #167 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:42:19 AM »

To Tradical. Maybe this will help.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/9rwA3k5CmBc?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

tradical · « **Reply #168 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:53:36 AM »

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To Tradical. Maybe this will help.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/9rwA3k5CmBc?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

Sorry, I have no access to youtube at this time.

What is in the vid?

God Bless!!!

tradical · « **Reply #169 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:01:42 AM »

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If you don't understand your enemy, you end up like +Fellay and company. I had a good teacher, former SSPX priest Father Hector Bolduc (RIP) that understood the enemy, and dealt with them the way the Church teaches us to deal with enemies of the Church. You simply go back to the way it was, UNCHANGED before the Crisis of Faith, and until THEY convert back to Catholicism, you continue to practice the Catholic Faith.

"The Church is where the FAITH is." -- Saint Athanasius

If a person, in their desire to hold onto the Faith, denies the primacy of Peter's successor and refuses submission to a lawful command because of this denial - then they have lost the Faith.

God Bless!

:dancing:

Pray tell, what "lawful commands" have been issued thus far?

God bless!!!

For starters: No Catholic Priestesses.

God Bless!!!

PS. I'll be offline soon for about a week.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #170 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:04:08 AM »

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Therefore, it is necessary to provide proof that the Popes denied a de fide truth of the Faith in a manner that requires no 'judgement' on your part.

I'll make it plainer for you by providing a simple example: I, Pope (insert name here) reject the dogma of the Assumption.

or perhaps something more recent:

I, Pope (insert name here) declare that women can be ordained as Catholic Priestesses.

Anything short of an unambiguous declaration of heresy will not suffice.

May God bless all who read these words!

Tradical, I'm still waiting for you to give a historical example of this unambiguous declaration of heresy. The Church has declared and excommunicated dozens upon dozens of heretics, so it shouldn't be difficult at all.

tradical · « **Reply #171 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:05:01 AM »

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Tradical, will you provide a real-life historical example of what you would consider an 'unambiguous declaration of heresy?' A quote, please.

Of a Pope?

Of anyone.

Sorry I can't fetch for you now.

I'll keep an eye out for where Hans Kung explicitly denies the infallibility of the Pope - although I really don't want to read his garbage.

Barring that I'll have a look at Luther - with the same reluctance.

God Bless!

Zeitun · « **Reply #172 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:44:24 AM »

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Quote from: Catechism of Trent

The good are those who are linked together not only by the profession of the same faith, and the participation of the same Sacraments, but also by the spirit of grace and the bond of charity. Of these St. Paul says: The Lord knoweth who are his. Who they are that compose this class we also may remotely conjecture, but we can by no means pronounce with certainty. Hence Christ the Saviour does not speak of this portion of His Church when He refers us to the Church and commands us to hear and to obey her. As this part of the Church is unknown, how could we ascertain with certainty whose decision to recur to, whose authority to obey?

So while the fear of the masonic/communist/modernist/lgbt infiltration may seem like a good reason to refuse a canonical regularization ...

it is still wrong.

If the conditions for obedience are present as noted - then there is an obligation to obey.

God Bless!

So...it's wrong to not be regularized?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #173 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:00:26 AM »

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If you don't understand your enemy, you end up like +Fellay and company. I had a good teacher, former SSPX priest Father Hector Bolduc (RIP) that understood the enemy, and dealt with them the way the Church teaches us to deal with enemies of the Church. You simply go back to the way it was, UNCHANGED before the Crisis of Faith, and until THEY convert back to Catholicism, you continue to practice the Catholic Faith.

"The Church is where the FAITH is." -- Saint Athanasius

If a person, in their desire to hold onto the Faith, denies the primacy of Peter's successor and refuses submission to a lawful command because of this denial - then they have lost the Faith.

God Bless!

:dancing:

Pray tell, what "lawful commands" have been issued thus far?

God bless!!!

For starters: No Catholic Priestesses.

God Bless!!!

PS. I'll be offline soon for about a week.

:stare:

Uh.... :roll-laugh1: are you serious? DERP! We already knew that! It's called TRADITION, and there are MULTIPLE publications WHY a WOMAN CANNOT be a priest! For one thing, she's not a MAN and a woman cannot say "This is My Body" as Christ did.

Are you trying to suggest that we're denying the primacy of Peter by saying that he can't say that there can't be women priests?

:stare:

RIDICULOUS!

It's in Tradition. Who cares if Franny or RATzinger said it! WE ALREADY KNOW that's the truth! They didn't have to say it.

Like JPII said "there's no sex in hell." WELL DUH! Did we believe that before? Yeah? So how are we denying anything? These guys are not saying anything infallibly that we need to believe that hasn't already been said.

Give me one example of something that has been infallibly stated that the Catholic Church hasn't already pronounced as something that is required for belief in the last 55 years. You can't do it.

Also, if Franny had said there COULD be women priests, I'd imagine you'd go right along with him according to the way you stated that.

:stare:

By the way, the Youtube was the theme for Jeopardy, a quiz show that started running in the 1960s and still runs today in America. Sorry you couldn't hear it. The Americans here might find it comical.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #174 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:07:44 AM »

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Consistent? you (Tradical) want consistent? You're a consistent, obstinate Fellay-bot...eventually, hopefully, your Fellay-bot programming will break down and you can be a real trad again....but I won't discuss anything with a Fellayite troll especially when we don't know your name and where your smarmy little self attends Mass...

I've tried to warn you all. Tradical, shameless, anonymous weasel that he is, nevertheless has the ability to commandeer an entire thread and to virtually take it over page after insane page until all active participants just finally collapse in exhaustion from the sheer absurdity of it all. This is what Tradical did on IA. This is what Matthew and some of you are allowing him to do on Cathinfo. Tradical has never revealed his real name, nor where his "smarmy little self" attends Mass. For that matter, I don't think that Tradical has ever revealed that he does attend a Mass anywhere.

Once we learned that that sspx church and all other sspx chapels are the property of Bp. Fellay, we stopped attending. I want nothing to do with churches of Bp. Fellay, or, for that matter, with priests belonging to Bp. Fellay. Again, Matthew, if you do not care for what I have written, you know exactly what you can do about it. I've simply told you all the truth, and what you can expect from the likes of Tradical now and into the indefinite future. As long as you allow him to play in the Cathinfo yard, he'll do so, and leave his malodorous piles all over it.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #175 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:38:38 AM »

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Consistent? you want consistent? You're a consistent, obstinate Fellay-bot...eventually, hopefully, your Fellay-bot programming will break down and you can be a real trad again....but I won't discuss anything with a Fellayite troll especially when we don't know your name and where your smarmy little self attends Mass...

Spewing personal hatred at someone you do not even know, who has never done anything to you...very confusing.

John Grace · « **Reply #176 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:41:47 AM »

I wouldn't blame you after the way Fr Rostand and SSPX laity treated you. Perhaps stgobnait (who appears to be the sole Irish SSPX attendee on Cath Info)

There is an obvious hostility from the Irish towards Cath Info as many SSPX Trads post on Facebook but never Cath Info.

A question I would have to stgobnait or to the forum in general is are many that bothered about Sharon Jane Ballatine?

stgobnait · « **Reply #177 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:51:29 AM »

Im not :confused1: Happy now?

John Grace · « **Reply #178 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:58:32 AM »

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Im not :confused1: Happy now?

What I mean is how many in Ireland showed solidarity with hollingsworth? Several people in England did. Or is this your first time hearing of how hollingsworth was treated by Fr Rostand? It's old news for many though the way a man was waking up on the spot at the Bishop Williamson conference in June 2013 highlights perhaps people were not aware of key information. Some do not give a hoot regardless.

In summary a comrade was treated badly by Fr Rostand. Are you ignorant of this happening?

I allow for people not having access to the internet but SSPX folk in Ireland hardly are in the 1000s.

There is a thread where hollingsworth encounters Fr Rostand. Maybe you think it internet rumour?

John Grace · « **Reply #179 on:** September 14, 2013, 12:09:28 PM »

I have great regard for hollingsworth but "offline" SSPX do not care. It's a mere opinion but I don't think your average joe in the chapel cares about Sharon Jane Ballatine. Whilst I accept to a degree "What could we do about Krahgate" there is a lack of radicalism in SSPX chapels. I'm a bit of a cynic.

Many in Ireland did support a man who aligned his organisation to Simon Wiesenthal Centre. This cannot be ignored.

Hollingsworth is for revisionism and solid on the Jews so I speculate now and perhaps more SSPX folk in Ireland are not anti Zionist?