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Offline Columba

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servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
« on: July 25, 2012, 12:51:57 PM »
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  • http://angelqueen.org/2012/07/24/bishop-williamson-get-rid-of-bishop-fellay/#comment-1996

    servitium says:
    July 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM
    I can’t believe what I’m seeing here. Is he FOR REAL?

    His Excellency is like many (not all, but many) protestant converts.

    By this I mean they frequently become very fervent Catholics, often to the point of overkill, but fail to adopt a true Catholic state of being and often can’t get past vestiges of their former religion. Their sensus Catholicus is just off somehow. They don’t, or can’t, “get it.”

    For example, you’ll see many becoming “bible Catholics” constantly quoting scripture chapter and verse in lieu of catechesis or at times taking to idiosyncratic interpretations of scripture. Scott Hahn comes to mind. Sometimes they’ll become “expert” professor know-it-all type Catholics, or at times turning into the “turbo” Catholics that we often run into on the web and elsewhere.

    In Bishop Williamson’s case, his former protestantism seems to manifest in that he just can’t resist rebelling against any and all authority – no matter where it lies. As per him and his followers, (the few who will remain and manage to tolerate his perpetual crap) HIS mind, HIS heart and HIS soul is the very center of our Catholic faith. He has it right, nearly all others have it wrong. Somewhat like sola scriptura, it’s “sola magisteria” – if that can be considered a term.

    Forget sedevacantism, as a former Anglican, it seem H.E. would be perfectly suited to branch off a new modern Anglican movement. The first began in King Henry VIII’s crotch, why not one that begins in Bishop Williamson’s mind? They’ll be no unpleasant ecclesiastic authorities to deal with whatsoever. Just hit reset and start over.

    For him to be allow himself to be caught on film in this manner is an absolute OUTRAGE of the highest magnitude. Leaving all Catholic implications aside, it’s highly unprofessional and in extremely poor taste. Not to mention the fact that – as usual – his timing could not possibly have been worse.

    Your Excellency, you REALLY do not get it – DO YOU.


    Offline KyrieEleison

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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 01:04:03 PM »
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  • What a pompous-self-righteous-arrogant person.
    The only one who does not get it is you (non) servitium.



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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 01:17:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
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    servitium says:
    July 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM...Your Excellency, you REALLY do not get it – DO YOU.


    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:

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    Bishop Williamson is absolutely brilliant here. For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure of knowing him, this interview is a good starting point. This is him in his essence. He has a superb analytical mind and is one of the most decent Christian men you'll ever come across.

    One thing those watching this should take note of, is how His Excellency is honest and innocent to a fault, yet an evolved thinker; like some child-savant prodigy who can ace his SAT yet will talk to friends or strangers alike about anything asked of him. He's highly reasoned and intelligent, yet paradoxically, he's child-like as Christ demands. Notice how any question Heiner asks he handles with candor and maturity, without coming across as trying to say the right thing for posterity's sake, or tap dancing to what is politically demanded by his role in all of this. He simply says what he thinks, and thinks well.

    Stephen does a magnificent job of bringing him out and getting him into a mode that those who don't know His Excellency wouldn't normally see. It is of great credit to him that he was capable of getting Bishop Williamson in such a state his true character shows through in such a way.

     

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 01:20:47 PM »
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  • Why would anyone want to know what that creep servitium has to say, anyway?
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    « Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 01:27:48 PM »
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  • Talk about the lack of ability to think!  Bishop Williamson is objective and a fighter for truth - following Archbishop Lefebvre.  He is only stating the obvious about Bishop Fellay and his gang.  Only if we have false obedience would we listen to Columba.


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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 01:39:44 PM »
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  • The problem with these Trads is that they've adopted a cult mentality.  There is no substance to his criticisms of Bishop Williamson and what he has said, just insults and mockery.  The cult mentality is what truly lacks a sensus catholicus, that is why he will post offensive pictures of himself on a military forum - because for him being Catholic is confused with the SSPX subculture identity.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 01:41:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: PAT317
    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:


    Bishop Williamson hasn't changed.  Bishop Fellay is the one who has changed, and his followers with the cult mentality follow him without principle.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 01:46:41 PM »
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  • If I wanted to read what John has to say regarding Bishop Williamson, I'd go to AQ.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 02:17:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Quote from: PAT317
    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:


    Bishop Williamson hasn't changed.  Bishop Fellay is the one who has changed, and his followers with the cult mentality follow him without principle.


    Funny. When I read that I immediately presumed PAT317 was guessing that
    servitium had changed his mind, which I wouldn't know about, since I pay no
    attention to his creepiness. Since I'm quite confident that +Williamson has not
    "changed his mind," that wasn't even a possibility. Regarding PAT's post, +Fellay
    wasn't a party to the sentence.
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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 02:19:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Why would anyone want to know what that creep servitium has to say, anyway?

    Internet forums have become increasingly influential. In the small pond traditionalism, AQ has been a big fish going back several years (though not so much anymore). I think it is legitimate news that the proprietor of AQ would go off the rails under pressure of the current crisis.

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    servitium: Williamson should start new Anglican branch
    « Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 02:25:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    The problem with these Trads is that they've adopted a cult mentality.  There is no substance to his criticisms of Bishop Williamson and what he has said, just insults and mockery.  The cult mentality is what truly lacks a sensus catholicus, that is why he will post offensive pictures of himself on a military forum - because for him being Catholic is confused with the SSPX subculture identity.

    This is true. The SSPX has become a cult for many of its members. Bishop Williamson has been warning against this tendency for years. I remember him saying at a confirmation sermon "anyone who thinks that the SSPX is the Church has got a big problem."


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    « Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 02:27:37 PM »
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    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:


    Bishop Williamson hasn't changed.  Bishop Fellay is the one who has changed, and his followers with the cult mentality follow him without principle.


    Funny. When I read that I immediately presumed PAT317 was guessing that
    servitium had changed his mind, which I wouldn't know about, since I pay no
    attention to his creepiness. Since I'm quite confident that +Williamson has not
    "changed his mind," that wasn't even a possibility. Regarding PAT's post, +Fellay
    wasn't a party to the sentence.


    Yes, that was more or less the point of my post.  I definitely meant "servitium had changed his mind", not +BW.  It should be obvious to one and all that +BW has not changed.  I was pointing out that someone's attitude toward someone who hasn't changed has changed dramatically...  

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    « Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 02:30:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: PAT317
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    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:


    Bishop Williamson hasn't changed.  Bishop Fellay is the one who has changed, and his followers with the cult mentality follow him without principle.


    Funny. When I read that I immediately presumed PAT317 was guessing that
    servitium had changed his mind, which I wouldn't know about, since I pay no
    attention to his creepiness. Since I'm quite confident that +Williamson has not
    "changed his mind," that wasn't even a possibility. Regarding PAT's post, +Fellay
    wasn't a party to the sentence.


    Yes, that was more or less the point of my post.  I definitely meant "servitium had changed his mind", not +BW.  It should be obvious to one and all that +BW has not changed.


    I did not intend to appear to be quoting out of context.  Sorry for my clumsily worded post.  

    That is to say, I was not referring to his use of "he's" in my next sentence, but it appeared that way.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 02:31:51 PM »
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    I guess he's changed his mind.  Here is what serv wrote about +W a few years back:


    Bishop Williamson hasn't changed.  Bishop Fellay is the one who has changed, and his followers with the cult mentality follow him without principle.


    Funny. When I read that I immediately presumed PAT317 was guessing that
    servitium had changed his mind, which I wouldn't know about, since I pay no
    attention to his creepiness. Since I'm quite confident that +Williamson has not
    "changed his mind," that wasn't even a possibility. Regarding PAT's post, +Fellay
    wasn't a party to the sentence.


    Yes, that was more or less the point of my post.  I definitely meant "servitium had changed his mind", not +BW.  It should be obvious to one and all that +BW has not changed.


    I did not intend to appear to be quoting out of context.  Sorry for my clumsily worded post.  

    No problem; I think it was mine that was clumsily worded.

    In any case, let's repeat his assessement of +BW from 3 years ago:

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    Bishop Williamson is absolutely brilliant here. For anyone who hasn't had the pleasure of knowing him, this interview is a good starting point. This is him in his essence. He has a superb analytical mind and is one of the most decent Christian men you'll ever come across.

    One thing those watching this should take note of, is how His Excellency is honest and innocent to a fault, yet an evolved thinker; like some child-savant prodigy who can ace his SAT yet will talk to friends or strangers alike about anything asked of him. He's highly reasoned and intelligent, yet paradoxically, he's child-like as Christ demands. Notice how any question Heiner asks he handles with candor and maturity, without coming across as trying to say the right thing for posterity's sake, or tap dancing to what is politically demanded by his role in all of this. He simply says what he thinks, and thinks well.

    Stephen does a magnificent job of bringing him out and getting him into a mode that those who don't know His Excellency wouldn't normally see. It is of great credit to him that he was capable of getting Bishop Williamson in such a state his true character shows through in such a way.


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    « Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 04:44:59 PM »
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  • At ease, men.  At ease.

    This dustup and its soap opera manifestations has rattled many a cage.  And, in all likelihood, the games have hardly gotten underway.

    I recognize some VERY talented, thoughful contributors from AQ here, now, and I can commiserate with one and all.

    Just keep thinking clearly, praying assiduously and studying from a Thomistic perspective and, in the end.....

    Hang in there.  AQ, the SSPX, and all the king's horses do not Tradition make.  They are, as we, its servants.

    ( And don't we all know just how hard good help is to find these days...   :cheers:  )  Cheers!

    PS: I have not abandoned all hope for Serv's redux.  I don't get what he's done but we'll see what time ( and no doubt more stunning revelations ) bring 'round.