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On 11 November 2012, Bishop Bernard Fellay celebrated Mass in the church of
Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet in Paris. During a sermon loud and clear, he returned
to the "few months of suffering, troubles and tribulations at home," said that we
were "at the same point that Archbishop Lefebvre in 1974" and questioned know
"where Rome saw in Vatican II continuity? A Seat? kiss in the Koran where?"



Dear District Superior, dear gentlemen abbots, dear faithful,


The parable of the tares applied to recent events in the SSPX

We just heard in the Gospel, the parable of the tares, very mysterious, this reality
from the chaff. It is Our Lord teaches us and tells us that the Kingdom of God -
when He speaks of the Kingdom of God is first and foremost the Church. It is
comparable to a field whose master is God. There is as well, there is plant good
seed. Thus does God, by His grace, His goodness. We can then extend this
mystery far beyond the Church to the world. God Himself is the Master of this
world, and behold, all of a sudden, in the middle of this beneficial, benevolent - we
know that God is the master of everything - is discord, the weed, evil.

Astonishment of Angels astonishment of the workers of the field: "But Lord, do not
you planted that good seed? "Response of the Master:" It is the enemy hath done
this. " The answer, as it is called here, might suggest that God can do anything.
Understand it, it is not God who made ... Yes, but it is the Master! The mystery is
even greater. God allows. He could have prevented this weed but He allows the
enemy, the devil, the weed plant. It allows ourselves - because He made us free -
could decline, hurt. He does not, He only wants good seed. But now in our history,
the history of the Church, evil, suffering, discord is the world scandal for so many
people. But the scandal goes further. Now these angels, ministers of God,
powerful, strong, who want only the good, open to eradicate this weed, tear ...
To end with this pain! And the Master said: "No, no, leave the weed!"

This is the mystery that we encounter in the Church, which now must be called
militant. We must fight, there will be a battle outside and even inside. Until the
end. Yet, it is the Master - Have you heard in the Epistle-which tells us that
above all, is the love-and love is the union-which would signal even the
authenticity of the Church. This is St. Paul also tells us that terrible word, which is
also in the meaning of this parable of the tares "oportet hereses esse." There must
have divisions. This seems contradictory. Our Lord and His Angels explain that
removing these weeds will do more harm than good. And therefore they should be
allowed. This definitely does not mean that God, suddenly, no longer the master of
all things. Oh no! He also announced that mastery, saying at the time of harvest,
we will distinguish. At this time, the weed will burn, separated from the chaff.
Those who do evil, who believe do so with impunity because they do not see the
immediate punishment, they take care! God is God. And the day comes when He
will manifest His sovereignty. God, we do not laugh. It is the Holy Scripture tells
us. But then, there is this mystery of God here on earth allows, because of sin,
because the consequences of sin, we had to fight.

And this mystery has affected us a little more closely in recent months. We have
seen so far in our beloved Brotherhood, confusion, a weed, a discord, disorder. God
has as He allows the Church as He allows, we can say in any society. This is the
great mystery of God. Our Lord also said to His Apostles: if a branch can not bear
fruit, the farmer cut. And he goes on to say, but also those who bear good fruit
will be cut ... and they shall bear more fruit. This is a great mystery that the
announcement of suffering in God's plan, is necessary and we also understand that
bad. Whenever we do good whenever we make an effort towards the good, we
succeed in this effort towards the good, we automatically expect a benevolent
God, goodness, something that makes us feel good. And when God responds with
a sudden, we do not understand. And yet, this is not a bad shot, it is a blow, yes.
Cut a branch, it is not good, but that's it bears more fruit it is cut ... What a great
mystery!

What lessons should we draw from these sufferings and internal contradictions
Roman?

I would like to briefly discuss with you these few months that have caused
suffering to draw some lessons, so they can also be found if necessary. You know
those times of trouble - I speak of course of our relations with Rome, reactions
that took place here, and this painful consequence was the loss of one of our
bishops ... It is no nothing! I wish here to clarify and confirm that this is not the
problem of our relations with Rome which is the cause of his departure. It has
been used but is in fact the result of a problem that has lasted much longer. A
discipline problem internal to the Brotherhood, which was manifested at the end by
a sort of open rebellion against the authority under, say, a false pretense.

I try to explain a little more. What happened during all these months? Where is
found the cause of all these troubles? I think it is multiple, but the background is a
contradiction in Rome. Contradiction that we have found, we have already
explained since at least the year 2009. Contradiction directly for us, manifested in
the decisions, declarations of the same authority, that is to say, the Holy See, but
which originates from various people of the Holy See, diverse people, opposing and
even contradictory. And it seems to us that in Rome there are people who have
different positions, even compared to the crisis, and after over us. On the other
hand, it is clear that there is a split in the exercise of authority in Rome. Where a
problem that has existed for several months, several years, know that really wants
the head, that is to say the Holy Father, the Pope. In principle, this is called the
Holy See, the Vatican is his hand. It makes no distinction between the Holy See
and the Pope. Rome when we say, we say that all this authority in the Church.
This is as it should be. But in reality, we found more than once as there is
sabotage of authority, especially when decisions were made in favor of Tradition.
One of the most obvious is that which is produced on the mass. This time the
opposition was not only in Rome but throughout the dioceses This sabotage came
from bishops who prevented priests and faithful have access to the Messe always.
In this climate, we had doctrinal discussions that ended a little fishtail. A finding of
non-agreement.

Following these discussions - and for us this was a cause of great surprise,
surprise - the Holy nevertheless proposed a canonical solution. Along one side, the
official channel of the Congregation of the Faith and Order Commission Ecclesia
Dei, we are given docuмents to sign or talk ... At the same time, we receive from
people who work in those same places, Ecclesia Dei or through a Cardinal, a
message that is different from the official line. Approximately: Pope will recognize
the fraternity as it has done for the excommunications, without consideration of
the Fraternity. Such a situation does not lack a big problem because this message
does not say the same as the received text. These same people will recognize:
"The texts we propose, it does not match what the Pope wants. "And for months,
this dual language will continue. Official messages - because we are asked to
accept that in the discussions, we have not accepted our answer is no. We can
not. But at the same time that we get these official responses continue these
messages of goodwill which is impossible to doubt the origin. And the origin is at
the top. I give you some of these phrases:

"What the Brotherhood knows that the problems of the Fraternity is the heart of
my concerns," or even "is a priority of my Pontificate". This with the intention to
solve the problem.

As for the means, other phrases like:

"There are enemies in Rome who sabotaged all initiatives of the Pope in favor of a
restoration. '

Or others such as:

"What did Bishop Fellay not worry, after this recognition, it will continue to attack
all points as before."

Or even stronger:

"The Pope is above the Congregation of the Faith. If the Congregation of the Faith
is a decision contrary to the fraternity, the Pope intervene to break this decision. '

Could we completely ignore the second line? It was necessary to verify, verify its
authenticity, veracity. But it was absolutely impossible to say, to communicate. As
would talk further complicated things. At the end - you can tell from the month of
May - things began to clarify. In June, finally, we arrive at clarity. Why? Because I
can, we can say, to bring these two channels. Letter I write to the Pope saying
that for a while, as you know our opposition to the council, and since you still
recognize us, I concluded that you were willing to set aside or later these
problems the council. Among other things, this meant "degrade the council" make
subject to opinions, discussions - since talking about possible discussions, even
legitimate. So I thought, "since you gesture to us, despite the problem, it means
that you feel more important to declare the Catholic Fraternity that maintain at all
costs the council, since I see that in the end you even seem to impose the
council, I must conclude that I was wrong. So, tell us, please, tell us what you
really want.

And I received a letter written response, dated 30 June This letter of June 30 it is
clear that he, the Pope, who intervened to force the acceptance of the Council to
reintroduce in the text all that I had removed and we could not sign. It was
delivered. And he goes on to say that to achieve legal recognition, there are three
conditions, three acceptances from the Brotherhood.

Accept that "the Magisterium is the judge of the Apostolic Tradition," that is to
say that it is the Magisterium that tells us what belongs to the tradition. That is
faith. Obviously, in this context, the Pope used to force us to accept the news.

And most importantly, we are asked to accept that "the council is part of this
tradition." This means that the council would be "Tradition" is traditional. For forty
years we say otherwise, not for our pleasure, but according to this word devoted,
found so many times in the mouth of our revered founder, we are forced to admit -
these are the facts show us - that this council is a firm intention to do something
new. And there is not any novelty, a new surface, but a new deep into opposition,
in contradiction with what the Church taught and even condemned. It is not for
our pleasure that we are in this fight for so many years, cons these innovations,
the conciliar reforms, which demolish the Church, which make it a ruin. And now
we are told: the condition is to accept that "the council is part of the Tradition" ...

And yet another condition that affects this time the Messe. We must accept the
validity of the New Mass, but not limited validity. We should also accept the
legality. We speak of validity when asked "Is that the thing?". Mass is celebrated
validly means that our Lord is there. You do not look so the circuмstances in
which the Mass is said. Thus, a black mass may be valid. It's awful, it's terrible
sacrilege, but alas, there are priests who dedicate called a black mass. This Mass
is valid. Taking this shocking example, you understand that this is not allowed, it is
not permissible because it is bad. Lawful means permitted because it is good. And
we have seen the ravages of this new mass, we saw how it was made, for what
purpose it was made for ecuмenism. And we see the results, loss of faith, the
churches emptied, and we say it is bad. This is what I said in Rome. Usually we do
not even speak of legality, we simply say that the Mass is bad. That is enough.

The situation is blocked, but we continue to fight

That, my dear brethren, the situation. And that is why it is clear that since June -
we announced the ordinations - things are blocked. It is a return to zero. We are
exactly the same point that Archbishop Lefebvre in 1975, 1974. And so we
continue our struggle. We do not abandon the idea of ​​one day
returning to the Church, to reclaim the Church Tradition. Tradition is his treasure,
the treasure of the Church. We continue until the happy day ... It will come, even
if we do not know when. We shall see. This is the secret of God. He will come a
day when discord is eradicated, the evil that hurts the church. This crisis is
probably the most appalling that the Church has ever suffered. We see bishops
and cardinals who lead more souls to Heaven, who bless the paths of hell that
most souls warn of the dangers they face on the earth who do not recall the
purpose of their more existence ... This goal is God, is to go to Heaven. And there
is no two ways to go: it is the path of repentance is the path of renunciation. All
is not allowed. There are the Commandments of God. And if you do not want to
meet them, we are preparing for hell. How often do we hear these words in the
mouth of a bishop? How many bishops probably do not have uttered? We know
seminarians, modern, which have reached the end of their seminar, and who told
us: "We have never heard this speech at the seminar!" And yet it is the direct
consequence of sin.

Our life on earth is a test. We need to show God that we choose The Him, and
thus we give our love, the love of earthly things, we prefer the. Should not be
discouraged by this discord. It may be a reaction to this evil is everywhere,
all-pervading and ever. It could be a reaction, but a reaction too human.
Collected'aujourd'hui in the Church tells us that She relies only on the grace to
everything we need for all our struggle. Want to rely on its own forces can easily
lead to discouragement. Our strength is that we say every day, "adjutorium
nostrum in nomine Domini." Our help, so our strength is in the Lord's name. This is
the only God that takes. And we know that if God permits trials, He never allows a
test for us without giving us the grace to overcome proportionate. These words
must take them as they are: they are true. While cooperating for the good of
those who love God all and foremost, of course, events.

And so, if we have proofs, let us not be discouraged. Redouble our prayers. Turn
our eyes towards God. Make some effort, some sacrifices, and rely on His Grace.
The Church has always said that there is a look, a thought that is the solution of
all problems. They give us the strength, courage, whatever our state. This is the
look that you wear on Jesus crucified on the Cross, Jesus is in dying on the Cross
for us, for our sake. It could very well have let us down. God is infinitely above His
creatures which the offended one way so ungrateful. What does He do? Instead of
letting things so He comes to fix. If it is made Man, in unspeakable destruction. In
His Passion, He took our sins upon Himself, He wears, he pays us. He took upon
Himself the punishment that we deserve for our sins.

It is the love of Jesus for us. And we would have a doubt? We would have a doubt
that He wants to rescue us, He wants to help us? Let our minds. Let faith. And
even if it is hidden, if he doubles the test, it does not matter, He is the absolute
master of all things. He is able to save us in the situation of the Church today, as
in the best of times. And this mystery goes so far, my beloved brethren, that this
power, the power of holiness, sanctification, is still in the Church that we see on
the ground. If we have faith, it is in this church if we receive the grace of baptism
until the last Sacraments, and it is in this Church. The Church is not an idea,
which is real, which is before us, that we call the Roman Catholic Church, the
Church with its Pope, the bishops, which can also be debilitated - j was gonna say
stupid - But it does nothing, God does not let His Church. For us not to let
ourselves be troubled and do not say because there is the assistance of God,
everything is good! Of course not!

You see, that's the problem we have with Rome in our discussions. We tell them
there is a problem and this problem is obviously the council and its aftermath. And
we are told: it is impossible. No, there are no problems. It may not be a problem,
because the Church has the assistance of the Holy Spirit. So the Church can not
do anything wrong. It's not possible. And therefore the council should be good by
necessity. And so, what you say, it is not worth. There are some abuses here and
there, but it is not. The new Mass was made by the Church. The Church is
assisted. It is necessarily good, and you do not have the right to say it is bad.
That's what we face. And we say: we accept even the smallest iota of faith and
also faith in the Church, its privileges, t the assistance of the Holy Spirit. However,
and this is also true, we accept the reality. We are not about to deny reality. And
we know that there is no contradiction between the two. There will be one day an
explanation, even if today there is not.

This is the mystery of the Cross. When Jesus was on the Cross, Faith compels us
to profess that He is God, He is Almighty, He is eternal and immortal. He can not
die, it can not hurt. God is infinitely perfect. It is impossible that God suffers.
Jesus on the Cross is God. Faith tells us. And we are forced to accept totally,
without any reduction. At the same time, human experience tells us that even
Jesus suffers and even He died. At the foot of the Cross, only in truth those who
hold the two, even if it seems contradictory. And seen throughout the history of
the Church the same problem: the vast majority will stay that says human
knowledge and will conclude: therefore it is not God. It is really dead. It is dead
and buried. It is finished. This is the largest part of the enemies of the Church,
atheists, heretics and modernists hiding in the church who believe they have faith
when they have not. We distinguish skilfully Christ of history, this one is the real
Christ and tell death and never resurrected and a so-called Christ of faith, that
which the Church oblige us to believe, and for Him it invents a resurrection. This is
absolutely false. This is not fair. He is truly risen. Imagine that other heretics,
however, insisted that: yes, He is God. So this death, suffering, these are only
appearances. It is not really dead. This error is also found, but less common.

Today, compared to the Church, it is the same problem. To stay in the truth, we
must keep these two, the data of the Faith and also the data from the
observation of reason. The council wanted to be in harmony with the world. He did
return to the world in the Church and now we have the disaster. And all these
reforms that have been made from the council, were made by the authorities for
this. Today we talk about continuity, but where is it? A Seat? Kiss the Koran?
States in the suppression of Catholics? Where is this going? And so, we simply
continue, dear Brothers, without changing anything, until the good God wants ...
This does not mean that we must remain inactive, of course. Every day, we have
the duty to win souls. And we know that the solution will come from God, and we
can even say, by the Blessed Virgin. You can say it is an evidence of our time,
signified by these apparitions, beautiful, beautiful, Notre-Dame de la Salette, Our
Lady of Fatima, announcing the time, painful, terrible. Rome became the seat of
the Antichrist, Rome will lose the faith ... this is what is said at La Salette. The
Church will be eclipsed. These are not small words. We really feel that it is now
that we saw it.

Do not panic. It's scary, yes, but we must all the more to seek refuge near the
Blessed Virgin, near Her Immaculate Heart. This is the message of Fatima: God
wants to give the world the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It is not
for nothing! Ask all our prayers at every Mass, the grace of fidelity, do not let go,
no matter what. And that God protects us and guides us to heaven. So be it.

In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, so be it.

Bishop Bernard Fellay, Paris November 11, 2012

Quote from: Matthew

On November 11, 2012, Bishop Bernard Fellay celebrated Mass in the Church of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet in Paris. During a strong, clear sermon, he reviewed these “last few months of sufferings, troubles and anguish in our Society”, declared that we were “at the same point as Archbishop Lefebvre in 1974” and asked “where Rome saw continuity in the Second Vatican Council? In Assisi? In the kissing of the Koran? Where? What lessons should we learn from these internal sufferings and the Roman contradictions?”
(...)

I would like to address very, very briefly the last few months, which have caused quite a lot of sufferings, so as to derive several lessons from them; and also in order to be able to find our way again, if necessary. You know that these troubled times—I am speaking of course about our relations with Rome, and about what led to reactions in our Society, and one of their painful consequences, the loss of one of our bishops—are not inconsequential! I am anxious to explain and to confirm here that the problem of our relations with Rome is not the cause of that departure. It was the occasion for it, the result of a problem that has existed for a much, much longer time. A problem of internal discipline within the Society, which finally manifested itself in a sort of open rebellion against authority, under a false pretext, let us say.

(...)

We have reached an impasse, but we will continue our fight.

My dear brethren, this is the situation. And this is why it is obvious that since June—we announced it at the ordination ceremony—matters are at a standstill [bloquées]. It is a return to ground zero. We are at exactly the same point as Archbishop Lefebvre in the years 1975, 1974. And yet, we continue our fight. We do not abandon the idea of winning the Church back some time, of conquering the Church again for Tradition. Tradition is HER treasure, the Church’s treasure. Well, then, we will continue, while waiting for the happy day... it will come, but when? We know nothing about it. Certainly we will see. That is the Good Lord’s secret. The day will come when the cockle [weeds] will be uprooted, this evil that makes the Church suffer. The crisis that we are going through is probably the most horrible that the Church has ever endured. A crisis in which we see bishops, cardinals even, who no longer lead souls to Heaven, who bless the roads to hell. Who no longer warn souls about the dangers that they encounter here on earth. Who no longer remember the goal of their existence... the goal is God, it is going to Heaven. And who forget that there are not thirty-six ways of going there. It is the path of repentance, the path of renunciation. Not everything is allowed. We have the Good Lord’s Commandments. And if someone does not want to observe them, he is preparing for hell. How many times do we hear these words from the lips of a bishop? How many bishops probably have never pronounced them? We know modern seminarians who arrived at the end of their seminary training and told us: “We never heard anyone say that at the seminary”! And yet this is the direct consequence of sin.

...

And even if He hides, if He intensifies the trial, it makes no difference: He is the absolute Master of all things. He is capable of saving us all in the current situation of the Church as well as in the best of times. And this mystery goes so far, my dear brethren, that this power, this force of sanctity, of sanctification, still dwells today in this Church that we see on earth. If we have faith, it is in this Church; if we receive the grace of Baptism down to the last of the Sacraments, it is within and through this Church. This Church which is not an idea, which is real, which is before us, which we call the Roman Catholic Church, the Church with her Pope, with her bishops, who can also have moments of weakness—I almost said “be weak”—that makes no difference: the Good Lord does not allow His Church to fall. But it is up to us not to let ourselves be troubled... since the Good Lord is helping us, all is well!

(...)

This council tried to harmonize itself with the world. It brought the world into the Church, and so now we have disaster. And all these reforms that were made on the basis of the council, were made by the authorities for this purpose. Today, they talk to us about continuity, but where is it? In Assisi? In the kissing of the Koran? In the suppression of the Catholic States? Where is that continuity? And therefore we continue quite simply, quite simply, my dear brethren, without changing anything, until the moment when the Good Lord is willing, as He does... That does not mean that we must remain inactive, of course, every day it is necessary... we have this duty to win souls. And we know very well that THE solution will come from the Good Lord and we can even say THROUGH the Blessed Virgin. We can say this, it is something quite obvious in our times, indicated by these beautiful, magnificent apparitions, Our Lady of La Salette, Our Lady of Fatima, which herald this painful, terrible era. Rome will become the seat of the Antichrist, Rome will lose the faith... that is what was said at La Salette. The Church will be eclipsed. These are not trivial sayings. One truly has the impression that this is what we are experiencing now.

...You see, this is the problem that we have with Rome in our discussions. We tell them: there is a problem and this problem manifestly comes from the council and its aftermath. And they reply:

That is impossible. No, there are no problems. There cannot be any problems because the Church possesses the assistance of the Holy Ghost. Therefore the Church can never do anything bad. It is not possible. And therefore the council must be good. By necessity. And therefore what you say has no validity. There is some abuse here or there, but that does not matter. The New Mass? That was made by the Church. The Church is aided. It is necessarily good, and you do not have the right to say that it is bad.

That is what we are confronted with. And we answer:

We accept the faith down to the smallest iota, including faith in the Church and in her privileges and in the assistance of the Holy Ghost. However, we accept the reality, which is quite true also. We are far from denying the reality. And we know very well that there is no contradiction between these two things. There will surely be an explanation someday even though today there is not.

We must not panic. It is terrifying, yes, and so we must take refuge all the more in the Blessed Virgin, close to Her Immaculate Heart. This is the message of Fatima: God wants to give to the world this devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This was not in vain!

Let us ask in all our prayers, at every Mass, this grace of fidelity, so as not to let go of anything, whatever the cost. And that the Good Lord may protect and guide us to Heaven.

Amen.

The words are all good words.

But they contrast against certain other contemporary realities which seem to mitigate against them.

I quote my farewell post on Ignis Ardens as a frame of reference within which, and against which, these strong sounding words must be measured:



"Though I left this forum, I was emailed about this thread, and it seemed to warrant a very brief curtain call:

You are all being prepared for a deal with Rome.

I have tried to tell you this since February.

The recent PCED communiques announcing the negotiations never ended, and that the SSPX has been in a process of gradual integration into Conciliarism since 2007, squarely contradict statements from Menzingen asserting "We are back to square 1."

You have corroborating evidence in the statements of the German District Superior admitting a deal with Rome will be easier with Bishop Williamson eliminated, and Fr Rostand's statement that a deal with Rome is prudent.

Meanwhile, you have a 2012 General Chapter declaration which squarely contradicts the 2006 declaration, which upheld (in a weaker manner) the traditional SSPX principle that there will be no practical deal without first settling the doctrinal issues in Rome. And more than this, you have 6 conditions telegraphed to Rome as to what merely practical measures are now acceptable in Menzingen.

Those measures are suicidal, and completely abandon the traditional principle of ABL with regard to coming to an agreement with the modernists, as outlined above.

This particular article is symptomatic of the change in orientation across all SSPX media outlets: Angelus, SSPX.org, DICI, etc. All now tell you what is good in Rome while leaving out what is horrendous.

Get used to plenty more of this.

You are being slow-boiled.

Consider this post my goodbye, as precious few here [Ignis Ardens] are receptive to the cold water of reality.

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: Matthew

On November 11, 2012, Bishop Bernard Fellay celebrated Mass in the Church of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet in Paris. During a strong, clear sermon, he reviewed these “last few months of sufferings, troubles and anguish in our Society”, declared that we were “at the same point as Archbishop Lefebvre in 1974” and asked “where Rome saw continuity in the Second Vatican Council? In Assisi? In the kissing of the Koran? Where? What lessons should we learn from these internal sufferings and the Roman contradictions?”
(...)

I would like to address very, very briefly the last few months, which have caused quite a lot of sufferings, so as to derive several lessons from them; and also in order to be able to find our way again, if necessary. You know that these troubled times—I am speaking of course about our relations with Rome, and about what led to reactions in our Society, and one of their painful consequences, the loss of one of our bishops—are not inconsequential! I am anxious to explain and to confirm here that the problem of our relations with Rome is not the cause of that departure. It was the occasion for it, the result of a problem that has existed for a much, much longer time. A problem of internal discipline within the Society, which finally manifested itself in a sort of open rebellion against authority, under a false pretext, let us say.

Bishop Fellay is very quickly dwindling

in importance as the remnant takes root.