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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on April 04, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
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I asked the first question of His Excellency to start the Q&A session after the conference.
The subject was internet anonymity.
Many of you know that I have openly opposed revealing identities as a tactical mistake that helps the enemy eliminate opposition.
That much is still true.
Nevertheless, His Lordship said that anonymity hurt credibility;
That it is frequently the cause of saying things we would not say had our identities been ascertainable;
That anonymity was less manly;
That the early martyrs, knowing they had truth on their side, stated it openly and let the chips fall where they may; that they had a willingness to be martyrs to stand openly by their principles.
Because on the one hand I see some of these characteristics in myself (i.e., flying off the handle too easily, and responding in overly harsh ways);
And on the other hand desire to imitate the moral courage of the martyrs;
And also because I admire Bishop Williamson and am shamed that he might think my anonymity "less manly;"
I have for these reasons decided to forego the use of my Pseudonym "Seraphim."
If it is possible, Matthew, to change all my previous posts into my given name, I would be much obliged.
I also need to know how to change my Username from "Seraphim" to my given name going forward.
Pax TecuŠ¼,
Sean Johnson
St. Paul, MN
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Only Matthew can change your username.
I can understand what +Williamson is saying, I guess, but regardless of how "unmanly" it may be, I'm going to keep using a pseudonym. I have my reasons. :)
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There you go, John son of John :)
Here is my take on the issue:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-on-Internet-Anonymity
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Only Matthew can change your username.
I can understand what +Williamson is saying, I guess, but regardless of how "unmanly" it may be, I'm going to keep using a pseudonym. I have my reasons. :)
Depending on what one's name is, even posting with first and last name may still lend towards anonymity.
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Only Matthew can change your username.
I can understand what +Williamson is saying, I guess, but regardless of how "unmanly" it may be, I'm going to keep using a pseudonym. I have my reasons. :)
Depending on what one's name is, even posting with first and last name may still lend towards anonymity.
You must have read my thread! :)
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-on-Internet-Anonymity
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How incredibly brave, Sean. I wish I were, but then, I admit that I am very, very "unmanly". I understand as well that many good men have strong reasons for attempting to maintain their anonymity. God bless and keep you from ugly retaliation by wicked jackboots. :applause:
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Only Matthew can change your username.
I can understand what +Williamson is saying, I guess, but regardless of how "unmanly" it may be, I'm going to keep using a pseudonym. I have my reasons. :)
Depending on what one's name is, even posting with first and last name may still lend towards anonymity.
You must have read my thread! :)
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bp-Williamson-on-Internet-Anonymity
Just finished it, actually!
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I used to attend mass regularly in St. Paul. Probably chatted a few times.
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From the other thread:
To each his own on this one, but as someone who shares a first and last name with maybe one other person on this planet, I'll remain Mithrandylan. If my name was Robert Jones I would have a much easier time shedding the avatar.
My sentiments exactly. Well said!
Having lived as a kid during the revolution, I remember too many people who were unnecessarily persecuted because they were not prudent enough to remain "underground".
If this forum or any other internet avenue were officially representing the Church, then yes, using your real name would certainly be mandatory.
If we were an ordained member of the clergy then yes, perhaps it would be proper to use our real name or at least our official title, ie Fr. or Brother or etc., but these days the entire world has access to our personal information and if they can figure out how to get to it because you gave them your real name then you can be hurt many different ways - then you're just asking for trouble - when you ask for trouble, expect to get it is my opinion.
There is no good reason to expose your real name on internet forums to the entire world imo, but there are many good reasons not to. Credibility is not based on who we are but what we do, or in this case, what we post.
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I have for these reasons decided to forego the use of my Pseudonym "Seraphim."
Sean, I want to thank you for posting your real name and standing for the Resistance in the open. I wish others would have the courage to do so as well.
Some of you may already know, but my name is Tony La Rosa. I am also known as Br. Anthony, teriary of St. Francis of Assisi. This name is the one I use on Ignis Ardens.
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For what it's worth, I still don't know Sean from Adam. He is just as anonymous to me as saraphim was. In fact, I knew exactly who seraphim was on this forum. Perhaps I'll remember that Sean is serephim in the future.
I've added my 2 cents worth on the anonymity topic. If I were internationally known by another name, perhaps it would matter. But no one outside a very small circle know me and even they know that I am TKGS.
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Just a quick clarification:
1) Bishop Williamson did not prohibit people from posting anonymously;
2) He simply gives his opinion, and the reasons for it;
3) Having heard it, I buy into it;
4) When you see the video, you can make your own choice;
5) I don't condemn anyone for making their choice, whatever it is;
6) The part that got me was the realization that His Excellency focuses only on the principle, and deliberately ignores the consequences ("let the chips fall where they may");
7) Because inverting this (i.e., making decisions based on consequences rather than principles) is the seed of compromise;
8) It also occurred to me that I was setting a bad example for my priest (i.e., How can I expect him to join the resistance and denounce the scandalous April 15 doctrinal declaration, as Bishop Williamson declared all SSPX priests must, knowing there will be consequences to him for doing so, if I myself am not even willing to post except anonymously?).
9) But at the end of the day, I happen to believe that Bishop WIlliamson is the "great man" of our times (since Archbishop Lefebvre died), and I desire to be like him.
10) Certainly His Excellency does not give advice he is not willing to take, and his recent story has shown a willingness for martyrdom and letting the chips fall where they may.
11) Nobody needs to defend their position to me.
12) I simply explain my motivations here; nothing more/nothing less.
13) There are plenty of good reasons to post anonymously.
14) I just choose to forego them them, for the reasons stated by His Excellency.
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Everyone knows who I am...it keeps me honest!
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If our enemies and friends really want to find who any of us are, it would depend on how big of a footprint each of us have made respectively in the Traditional world.
I have said enough things here before, that if someone wanted to do some detective work, it would not take long to figure out who I am in what passes for reality. :-)
For example..........
1) First and only male teacher when OLMCA Academy in New Hamburg Ontario started up.
2) Lay apostle for a time (before OLMCA) in Winnipeg under Father Girouard and Father Rusak.
3) Contributing writer to Convictions magazine, before that publication changed into a different format, and subsequently disappeared all together. (cf issue and article Souls of Stone Feb March 2008, and the issue on Mary Queen of Scots)
4) Well known to DS Frs. Rostand and Wegner.
5) Well known to His Excellency Bishop Williamson, being one of the founding members of the doctrinal conferences prior to the expulsion of His Excellency.
6) First guest on inaugural broadcast of Swords and Space radio, speaking on The Canticle for Leibowitz.
So have some fun doing some detective work. :smile:
Back to work go I.
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Having run Kaz's clues through my new HyperDisGromificatorIDSeekProtocol system, I can now state unequivocally that Kaz is either:
Amelia Earhart or Jimmy Hoffa!
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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If our enemies and friends really want to find who any of us are, it would depend on how big of a footprint each of us have made respectively in the Traditional world.
I have said enough things here before, that if someone wanted to do some detective work, it would not take long to figure out who I am in what passes for reality. :-)
For example..........
1) First and only male teacher when OLMCA Academy in New Hamburg Ontario started up.
2) Lay apostle for a time (before OLMCA) in Winnipeg under Father Girouard and Father Rusak.
3) Contributing writer to Convictions magazine, before that publication changed into a different format, and subsequently disappeared all together. (cf issue and article Souls of Stone Feb March 2008, and the issue on Mary Queen of Scots)
4) Well known to DS Frs. Rostand and Wegner.
5) Well known to His Excellency Bishop Williamson, being one of the founding members of the doctrinal conferences prior to the expulsion of His Excellency.
6) First guest on inaugural broadcast of Swords and Space radio, speaking on The Canticle for Leibowitz.
So have some fun doing some detective work. :smile:
Back to work go I.
I still don't know who you are.
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If our enemies and friends really want to find who any of us are, it would depend on how big of a footprint each of us have made respectively in the Traditional world.
I have said enough things here before, that if someone wanted to do some detective work, it would not take long to figure out who I am in what passes for reality. :-)
For example..........
1) First and only male teacher when OLMCA Academy in New Hamburg Ontario started up.
2) Lay apostle for a time (before OLMCA) in Winnipeg under Father Girouard and Father Rusak.
3) Contributing writer to Convictions magazine, before that publication changed into a different format, and subsequently disappeared all together. (cf issue and article Souls of Stone Feb March 2008, and the issue on Mary Queen of Scots)
4) Well known to DS Frs. Rostand and Wegner.
5) Well known to His Excellency Bishop Williamson, being one of the founding members of the doctrinal conferences prior to the expulsion of His Excellency.
6) First guest on inaugural broadcast of Swords and Space radio, speaking on The Canticle for Leibowitz.
So have some fun doing some detective work. :smile:
Back to work go I.
I still don't know who you are.
I know who you are, but I'm not saying.
(I heard you have "family" connections with Hoffa) :scared2:
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(http://unknownatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/cropped-200px-UnknownComic2-300x266.jpg)
found his yearbook pic
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:roll-laugh1:
But seriously I have no connections to Jimmy Hoffa.
Maybe once upon a time to the Polish seminarian mafia, but that was life in a bad theology grad school...... :laugh1:
Actually, Obi wan didnt tell you the real truth.....
I am the Walrus!
(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/6/11/frabz-NOOOOOOOOO-46d6cd.jpg)
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I post anonymous but if someone tried, they could figure out who I am because I once posted a picture of myself here and I think I posted which SSPX chapel I attended.
I think it is brave for you to use your own name, Seraphim. :cheers:
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:roll-laugh1:
But seriously I have no connections to Jimmy Hoffa.
Maybe once upon a time to the Polish seminarian mafia, but that was life in a bad theology grad school...... :laugh1:
Actually, Obi wan didnt tell you the real truth.....
I am the Walrus!
(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/6/11/frabz-NOOOOOOOOO-46d6cd.jpg)
Fr. Juan Ortiz is in town. I hope to see you there, whoever you are.....
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I am actually from western Canada, in the province of Alberta. The (neo-)SSPX exists in Calgary to my south, but apart from an indultery, there is no Real and True (aka Resistance) Mass available.
My real first name is Marc. Kazimierz was (RIP) father's middle name, so to his memory and all good things Polish, I have used that moniker.
:cool:
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Another anonymity-related point is that of selecting a screen name that clearly indicates one's gender.
When I first posted on Catholic sites several years ago, I deliberately chose a gender-neutral name. I wanted to be treated like "one of the boys" and not "talked down to" because I was a woman, though I would have strenuously objected at being called a feminist.
There has been a conversion of sorts since then, along with the increasing awareness that (get ready for this) men and women are different. It also is more courteous and honest to let others know if they are responding to a man or to a woman.
Stella Matutina is my cat's name, and she, too, is female.
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Meow. What breed of cat is Star of the Morning?
My sister with whom I reside has two, a tabby mix, and a White Russian.
the White Russian adopted me (definitely not the other way around!) A good older cat whose only minor drawback is she sheds a great deal. Both cats I guess you can say are Catholic/biblical: Faith and Petra.
No Catholic gentleman or lady should ever be talked down to. Of course there are plenty males and females who are not Catholic and are definitely not ladies or gentlemen. :smirk: Such is the rabble many must face day in and out.
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I would gladly tell you all who I am. My issue is with the rest of the world. Or should I say, most of the world.
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Sean,
a great move! And all excellent reasons not to hide in the dark:
i) anonymity is a tactical mistake that helps the enemy to eliminate opposition
ii) anonymity hurts credibility
iii) anonymity supports thoughtless comments
iv) anonymity is less manly
v) no martyr would hide
vi) can't expect your local SSPX priest to stand up
I'll add one more:
vii) anonymity is in many cases maintained to allow one hearing mass at SSPX chapels, where one gets indoctrinated by priests who don't mind to submit to Fellays, Rostands, Schmidbergers and so on. Even if the local priest secretly opposes his superiors, he openly supports them by being part of that modernist pious union, which nowadays openly fears to be a bunch of 'sectarian antiliberals'.
Again: a great move! Respect!
Burkhard Strauß
Floripa, Brazil
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While all these reasons may be true, it seems to me the list is incomplete,
nor is the list the same or in the same order of importance from one
person to another.
For example, what we say on an Internet forum may have little or no
effect in our own, personal lives if no one we know is reading the forum
in question.
Furthermore, when we have mentioned the forum in question to our friends
and after a reasonable time it turns out that they continue to have no
interest, that could be a sign that God does not want your ID to be known.
When the only possible consequence to being "outed" would be that a
particular SSPX pastor will know what to say to you or what NOT to say,
then you would only facilitate their covertness or penchant for being
political in their words.
Every saintly priest I have known does not hold back when it comes to
doctrine and what the Church teaches, nor the application of same in regards
to politics be it civil or religious.
So enough with these clever sophisms to protect the teachings of the
nefarious Menzingen-denizens! If they cannot defend what they say with
honest and clear language then let them eat crow! And we might be a
little better able to tell them that WITH our identity not obvious. If they
cannot answer us when we are anonymous, then we'll be all the more
rehearsed for it when the time comes and we are face-to-face. Then
THEY can be the ones flying off the handle, because we have already
been through the grist mill of Internet forum mud-slinging.
Think of this as boot camp. We are PREPARING FOR BATTLE here.
The Few - the Proud - the Anonymous!
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Sean,
a great move! And all excellent reasons not to hide in the dark:
i) anonymity is a tactical mistake that helps the enemy to eliminate opposition
ii) anonymity hurts credibility
iii) anonymity supports thoughtless comments
iv) anonymity is less manly
v) no martyr would hide
vi) can't expect your local SSPX priest to stand up
The other side of the coin.................
i) anonymity aids and can be the only factor in keeping the enemy from locating and destroying it's opposition.
ii) credibility is not wholly reliant on who the person is. Truth is truth and lies are lies regardless of who states it or where it is found. If identity reliably determined credibility, there would no crisis at all - (see item iii below).
iii) while true, innumerable famous people, up too and including popes are responsible for thoughtless as well as destructive comments - (see item #ii above)
iv) in all things, priority is to exercise prudence, regardless of how it sometimes comes across.
v) catacombs are where millions of martyrs hid . . . . . St. Thomas More: "Our natural business lies in escaping".
vi) not always the case.