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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Ekim on April 22, 2013, 06:48:35 AM

Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Ekim on April 22, 2013, 06:48:35 AM
Our Priest was at the laying of the corner stone for the new Seminary.  Yesterday he gave very brief highlights.

1)    Bishop Fellay stated that if the Archbishop did not have the courage to Consecrate Bishops in 1988 the Traditional Latin Mass would be dead.
2)   Because of negotiations with Rome by the SSPX, the Traditional Mass was freed By BXVI.  Now there are over 200 Novus Ordo Bishops who say the Latin Mass.  
3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.

Although our priest didn’t say this, it is hypothesized that the reason for  building such a monster seminary is b/c +Fellay is anticipating a union with apostate Rome.  If each one of these Bishops sends five Seminarians, which is not an unreasonable number, the SSPX could get 1000 seminarians from these Novus Ordo Bishops.  

It is also hypothesized that 1000 new traditional priests a year, spread all around the world, would breathe new life into the Church like it has not seen in at least half a century.  This new diocese would then help fund this seminary so all the bills would be paid.

Two points don’t add up.  1) If these Bishops are so inspired by their new found Catholic Tradition, why don’t they start teaching this in their seminaries now or simply send their candidates for ordination to an Fraternity of St. Peter seminary?  2) Does +Fellay not realize that the end never justifies the means?

I would also note:  That like most SSPX priests these days, Our Priest did not mention the cost of such a recogniton by modernist Rome.  He did not speak of the dangers that such a compromise of the faith would have.  He did not mention how the Doctrinal Counter Offer of April 15, 2012 would destroy all the SSPX had stood for.  He only said that many of the 200 Bishops said they would like the SSPX to train their seminarians.  He did not say it, but he implied that this was a great thing!

Mary Help of Christians…PRAY FOR US!
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Wessex on April 22, 2013, 07:05:24 AM
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Seraphia on April 22, 2013, 07:25:11 AM
Quote from: Ekim
Our Priest was at the laying of the corner stone for the new Seminary.  Yesterday he gave very brief highlights.

1)    Bishop Fellay stated that if the Archbishop did not have the courage to Consecrate Bishops in 1988 the Traditional Latin Mass would be dead.
2)   Because of negotiations with Rome by the SSPX, the Traditional Mass was freed By BXVI.  Now there are over 200 Novus Ordo Bishops who say the Latin Mass.  
3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.



My family was told much the same thing at our chapel. I thought our priest said 300 N.O. Bishops. Could be his French accent.

Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Mea Culpa on April 22, 2013, 07:51:55 AM
Quote from: Ekim

3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.


If these 200-300 N.O. Bishops truly/honestly liked traditionalism so much as to send their seminarians to be trained by the SSPX, they could/would have left the N.O. by now and became traditionalists.  

No, that's not what Rome wants at all and they're not stupid.

Once the neo-SSPX joins them, they'll make sure they will have a BIG say in what is and what shouldn't be taught at the semninary (it'll have to be a compromise if the neo-SSPX wants to be "normalized"). This will insure that the end product will result in a spoonful of the "old" teachings with a cupful of modernism/liberalism and thus the watering down process will begin.

Liberalism is a sin.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: JMacQ on April 22, 2013, 08:17:55 AM
I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: SeanJohnson on April 22, 2013, 08:30:16 AM
Incredible.

If the reason these Novus Ordo bishops were holding back was a mere matter of regularization, why have they not already sent these 1000 seminarians to the FSSP, ICK, IBP, etc?

On the other hand, just imagine if it were true: What a dilution of tradition would occur by mixing Novus Ordo modernists (and plenty of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs...take it from one who has been in a diocesan seminary) with convinced traditionalists!
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Mea Culpa on April 22, 2013, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: JMacQ
I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.


Since we're hoping......

I hope Bp. Fellay humbly steps down as SG, gives a public apology to all the resistance priests/Bishop, demote/remove/dismiss his whole gang of thugs, and let a true leader of the Faith take control of this ship.

The actual reality of this taking place......very unlikely to nil.  
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on April 22, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: JMacQ
I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.

YES...From your lips to God's ears.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: bowler on April 22, 2013, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: SeanJohnson
Incredible.

If the reason these Novus Ordo bishops were holding back was a mere matter of regularization, why have they not already sent these 1000 seminarians to the FSSP, ICK, IBP, etc?

On the other hand, just imagine if it were true: What a dilution of tradition would occur by mixing Novus Ordo modernists (and plenty of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs...take it from one who has been in a diocesan seminary) with convinced traditionalists!


If we on CI see right through this in one minute, rest assured that the just among the SSPX priests and faithful see it also. Not even the priest who made those comment believes what he is saying! If he is a just person, he will acknowledge instantly that his comment is foolish. If he is not a just person, and is just going along for his own promotion, he still knows that he is lying to himself.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: hollingsworth on April 22, 2013, 12:16:53 PM
Ekim:
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If these Bishops are so inspired by their new found Catholic Tradition, why don’t they start teaching this in their seminaries now or simply send their candidates for ordination to an Fraternity of St. Peter seminary?


Who are these 200-300 bishops?  Have any of them commented publicly to date on their traditional beliefs, much less, expressed approval of the old Mass?  And since their is an Ecclesia dei structure already in place, why don't these bishops simply send their priestly candidates to one of the FSSP seminaries already in place, as Ekim asks?  
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: AlligatorDicax on April 22, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: Mea Culpa (Apr 22, 2013, 8:51 am)
If these 200-300 N.O. Bishops truly/honestly liked traditionalism so much as to send their seminarians to be trained by the SSPX, they could/would have left the N.O. by now and became traditionalists.

Not bl**dy likely.

First, there's the matter of defective or questionable Holy Orders.  Few Novus Ordo priests still alive today received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'ordination'.

Even fewer Novus Ordo bishops now alive received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'consecration'.  For a bishop nowadays to be younger than the 75 cited by the Novus Ordo for 'mandatory retirement, yet received a 'consecration' that was traditional, valid, and licit, he'd need to have been born no earlier than 1938, and consecrated before the end of 1969, thus traditionally 'consecrated' a bishop at an age no older than 31.  Unless the consecrating bishop somehow got away with refusing to use the New Ordinal after it became universally required, reportedly on Easter Sunday (April 6) in 1969.

Novus Ordo seminaries dropped their extensive required training in Latin decades ago, didn't they?  Yet a traditional priest is expected to be so fluent in Latin that he understands all the Latin words of the traditional Mass and other traditional rituals, not simply learns enough to pronounce them convincingly.  Right?

Consider what was reportedly a big majority of cardinals present at B. VXI's abdication announcement, who failed to understand what he said in Latin.  With Italian now a de facto substitute for Latin as the language of the Novus Ordo for various purposes, how how could Novus Ordo bishops be able to fulfill their official roles--per 'consecration'--as authoritative teachers & protectors of the traditional faith, whose original sources are written in Latin?

I suspect that despite the on-going scandals of numerous dioceses, and their resulting financial drain, practically all Novus Ordo bishops prefer the cash flow, customary certainties, and secular honors of being duke of a Novus Ordo duchy, to the financial uncertainty and secular rootlessness that would come with abandoning a Novus Ordo duchy to become a traditional bishop.  Especially given the Vatican policy of 'collegiality', whose de facto meaning seems to be that neither the Vatican, nor even the pope himself, has any disciplinary authority over bishops, no matter how scandalous their behavior or negligence.  This laissez faire operation seem likely to intensify under a new pope who reportedly considers himself merely the "Bishop of Rome".
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: JPaul on April 22, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
I have noticed that the Society always speaks about what is good, what might happen that would be good, and always speculates in a way favoring all the good fruits of "regularization".

Never a dose of the pitfalls that could destroy the Society and render it impotent in carrying out its mission.

How can the Faithful ever have a realistic reasoned opinion of such matters when the hear only one side.

This is certainly no accident.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Incredulous on April 22, 2013, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Mea Culpa on April 22, 2013, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.



(http://media05.regionaut.meinbezirk.at/2012/05/18/1301938_web.jpg?1337340581)
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Machabees on April 23, 2013, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.


Yes, and adding to this, that now the SSPX leaders will also be in a large financial debt in following this "fantasy", if not by the cost of building the new seminary (remember Bishop Fellay did receive the millions of dollars from the philanthropist banker), that the seminary will also hold a large dept of maintenance cost(s) to run that place and to keep up the grounds...who is going to pay for that.

So when you run a business, it's the operational costs that are the make it or break it for survival.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Famous on April 23, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
"Bishop Fellay and his gang" :wink:

(http://img99.xooimage.com/files/9/f/3/gang-3da4b36.jpg)
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Famous on April 23, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Comment changer cela?

«C’est avant tout, je pense, le rôle des prêtres. Nous ne travaillons pas pour nous. Mais pour la formation des futurs prêtres, pour la gloire de Dieu et pour le rayonnement de l’Église. Vous savez, j’ai rencontré de nombreux protestants ici; si vous connaissiez leur attente… Nombre d’entre eux m’ont ainsi confié leur espoir de nous voir bientôt célébrer nos offices ici, et quelques-uns m’ont même dit attendre cet événement pour faire le point sur leur propre  conversion. Alors parfois, c’est vrai, il y a des réticences étonnantes…»

Le pasteur protestant, Joe Chambers, qui est aussi le supervisor local, à mi-chemin entre le maire et le député, appuie cette observation: «Nous sommes heureux de voir arriver ici ces prêtres catholiques. Ce sont des hommes de Dieu, visiblement.»

Et ce séminaire?

«C’est un bon projet, beaucoup de valeur. Un bon rayonnement d’un point de vue économique c’est certain, mais spirituel surtout. C’est un projet fantastique: je les aiderai autant que je peux.»
________________

How to change this?

"That's all, I think, the role of the priests. We do not work for us. But for the formation of the future priests, for the glory of God and the influence of the Church. You know, I met many Protestants here; if you know their expectations... Many of them have told me and their hope that soon we celebrate our offices here, and some have even told me to wait this event to take stock of their own conversion. So sometimes, it's true, there are amazing reluctance..."

The Protestant pastor, Joe Chambers, who is also the local supervisor, halfway between the mayor and the deputy, supports this observation: "We are glad to see these Catholic priests here. These are men of God, obviously."

And this seminary?
"This is a good project, a lot of value. A good radiation from an economic point of view this is certain, but especially spiritual. This is a fantastic project: I will help as much as I can."
________________

http://www.dici.org/actualites/benediction-des-cloches-au-futur-seminaire-des-etats-unis/

http://www.dici.org/multimedia/benediction-des-cloches-au-futur-seminaire-des-etats-unis-diaporama/

http://www.dici.org/multimedia/etats-unis-projet-de-nouveau-seminaire/
________________

No comment :facepalm:
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Matto on April 23, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Famous
"Bishop Fellay and his gang" :wink:

(http://img99.xooimage.com/files/9/f/3/gang-3da4b36.jpg)


This is a great picture.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: wallflower on April 23, 2013, 07:55:07 PM
These speculations betray just how internalized is their acceptance of VII and the NO.

I really wish they would take their own advice and stop running the course of the SSPX on speculations of what so-and-so told them and stick to the facts. The facts are that Rome has not changed and has confirmed that beyond question with the latest conclave.  

The only thing Rome/NO may have changed is their approach to the SSPX, trying to be friendly. But as long as they deny the reason for the SSPX's existence, it's all a superficial friendship. They want traditionalists, but traditionalists without teeth, traditionalists who are not a threat to VII, therefore not traditionalists at all.  
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: bernadette on April 23, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.


Yes, and adding to this, that now the SSPX leaders will also be in a large financial debt in following this "fantasy", if not by the cost of building the new seminary (remember Bishop Fellay did receive the millions of dollars from the philanthropist banker), that the seminary will also hold a large dept of maintenance cost(s) to run that place and to keep up the grounds...who is going to pay for that.

So when you run a business, it's the operational costs that are the make it or break it for survival.


They'll have to hike up the cost of seminary training...it will probably double or triple!

(that picture is nauseatingly corny by the way....)
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Ecclesia Militans on April 24, 2013, 06:27:13 AM
Who is the priest between Fr. Wegner and Fr. Rostand?
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: stgobnait on April 24, 2013, 09:56:25 AM
They look plain silly   :jester:
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Orinoco on April 24, 2013, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Famous
"Bishop Fellay and his gang" :wink:

(http://img99.xooimage.com/files/9/f/3/gang-3da4b36.jpg)


This is a great picture.


"Yeah, I'm taking all of you for a ride! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgoOUSfblpg
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: hugeman on April 26, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Orinoco
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Famous
"Bishop Fellay and his gang" :wink:

(http://img99.xooimage.com/files/9/f/3/gang-3da4b36.jpg)


This is a great picture.


"Yeah, I'm taking all of you for a ride! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgoOUSfblpg



  We could tell by the model that all the right critters climbed aboard. Tell me heaven doesn't have a sense of humor!
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on April 26, 2013, 09:15:56 AM
Yes, it's like the "mule" who thought that the palms were being thrown for his benefit and honor on Palm Sunday, " I'm so wonderful...if only I could get this weight off my back...I could be more ecuмenical...and Rome will like me more.."  -Not to mention Maxie Krah and my new financial backers.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Ekim on May 04, 2013, 08:45:04 PM
Spoke to some friends who where there.  They said they thought there were less than 200 people in attendance. It was a very impressive event but everyone expected a much, much, larger turn out.

Did anyone else hear any feedback?  I didn't see any photos of large crowds on the Internet.
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Ecclesia Militans on May 04, 2013, 09:05:31 PM
Who is the priest between the two Fathers in the back?
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Incredulous on May 04, 2013, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.




(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/national/newsies-%20body.jpg)

   What'd you say the name of the of your seminary was again Father ?
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Wessex on May 05, 2013, 04:39:05 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.




(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/national/newsies-%20body.jpg)

   What'd you say the name of the of your seminary was again Father ?




Now, if we could start off with kids like this, Incred, the Society would get back some real character! Instead, you will be getting (French) mummies' boys, mechanical liturgical technicians and canny careerists. Now, that is a large population to draw on. With finance coming from Rothschild sources, image the kudos attached to one's resume; if not trad revivalism, certainly revolutionary Wall Street trading ....... I  never thought there was a connection! The future is just pregnant with possibilities!    
Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 06, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
This OP by Ekim is pretty good, really.  Congrats to you, Ekim!  

I have a few observations, based in the understanding that +Fellay is now
practicing, due to his compliance with the hermeneutic-of-continuity-principle-
of-B16 -- which B.F. is hanging onto by the skin of his teeth:


Quote from: Ekim
Our Priest was at the laying of the corner stone for the new Seminary.  Yesterday he gave very brief highlights.

1)    Bishop Fellay stated that if the Archbishop did not have the courage to
Consecrate Bishops in 1988 the Traditional Latin Mass would be dead.




Seen in the continuity of current thinking, which is based on tradition (why?
because we say it is!) the Latin Mass dying wouldn't be such a terrible thing,
because time moves on -- however, this outlook in the light of tradition tells
us that the Latin Mass can be appreciated for what it was, kind of like a display
in a museum appreciates what once was but is no more except for its memory.



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2)   Because of negotiations with Rome by the SSPX, the Traditional Mass was freed By BXVI.  Now there are over 200 Novus Ordo Bishops who say the Latin Mass.  




Of course, whether they "say the Traditional Mass" the way it was said in 1954
or 1917 or 1864 or 1776 or 1571 is neither here nor there.  Let them say it
as it was during the abominable Vat.II, for example, according to the Mass
of John XXIII in 1962.  Or, as it was in the Transitional Rite of 1967 - you know,
the one that Padre Pio was physically unable to say when ordered to under
"STRICT OBEDIENCE" because it caused him too much unbearable pain
(he had unbearable pain all the time anyway, but this was 'too much'
unbearable pain).



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3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.




So the Modernists would like to have their young recruits accepted into the
traditional seminary, so they can bring their lack of preparation with them to
perhaps share their ignorance with the traditional students, and the traditional
students can share their knowledge with the Modernists' recruits who are so
proud of their know-nothing-ism.  The new and the old with the old and the
new and everyone is happy!  Why?  Because we say "They Are Happy."  It's
not WHAT you know but WHO you know.

The boys who have been slow-cooked in the principle of "pastoral sensitivity"
such that they would not even have been ELIGIBLE for seminary if they were
found to be unwilling to work side-by-side with fαɢs, or else BE fαɢs themselves,
are going to be thrown into the mix with the boys whose upbringing has
been consistently unaccepting of the Sin of Sodom, and any of its pomps
and innuendos.  Are you ready for some "issues" to come up?  For example,
any of the boys who learn to be UNWILLING to "work with fαɢs" -- upon their
return to their home diocese, will therefor be unacceptable to the bishop who
sent them, because he isn't going to "throw out the fαɢs" in his diocese, nor
is he going to appreciate having this new "INTOLERANCE!!" spreading among
his priests.



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Although our priest didn’t say this, it is hypothesized that the reason for  building such a monster seminary is b/c +Fellay is anticipating a union with apostate Rome. If each one of these Bishops sends five Seminarians, which is not an unreasonable number, the SSPX could get 1000 seminarians from these Novus Ordo Bishops.  




If the new Virginia seminary gets 1000 seminarians, all of whom are eager
to be accommodating to Sodomites (if not practicing Sodomites themselves)
then how long do you suppose this unnatural vice will take to spread to the
rest of the seminarians who came from the Winona sourcing of vocations?



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It is also hypothesized that 1000 new traditional priests a year, spread all around the world, would breathe new life into the Church like it has not seen in at least half a century.  This new diocese would then help fund this seminary so all the bills would be paid.




Someone didn't read the previous paragraph, apparently.



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Two points don’t add up.  1) If these Bishops are so inspired by their new found Catholic Tradition, why don’t they start teaching this in their seminaries now or simply send their candidates for ordination to an Fraternity of St. Peter seminary?  




It should be obvious that  A)  they don't 'start teaching this' in their own
seminaries because they don't have any professors who know "IT."  They
threw out the textbooks 50 years ago, and even the books they have that
were copyright 1925 are "full of it" because Modernism was creeping back
in at that time just as Pope St. Pius X said that it would.  But even if they
DID have the professors and the books,  B)  It would presume that their
objective is for their seminarians to LEARN IT.  How can you be so sure?
How is it, for example, you come to believe that these Bishops are NOT so
enthusiastic about this plan because they are eager to watch the invasion
of the sin of Sodom into traditional seminaries, like it happened in the Pink
Palace of St. John's Camarillo, California, under Roger Cardinal Mahony?



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2) Does +Fellay not realize that the end never justifies the means?




This is a good one.  We have a function machine here, called 'the-hermeneutic-
of-continuity-function-machine,
which is a black box with an IN port and an
OUT port.  Something goes in the IN port, and when it comes out the OUT
port, it has been "processed" by the function machine.  

And in this machine, which +F has gone through (when? it's anyone's guess,
but it could have been 28 years ago for all we know), the person gets
processed to accept the teachings of Vat.II in the light of tradition, and to
accept the teachings of Vat.II in the light of Vat.II; also, the traditional
teachings of the traditional Church are understood according to the unclean
spirit of Vat.II, and according to their own standard, but in such a way that
there is no rupture between the old and the new.  The new is understood
in the light of the old and the old is understood in the light of the new, AND
both are understood in their own light, in and of themselves all at the same
time and without any ADMISSION of contradiction.  

That is, the continuity is a DE-FACTO imposition by which all must abide.

So, into the IN port goes this principle that "The End Never Justifies The
Means
," which is a good teaching -- for its time! -- and what comes out of
the OUT port of our hermeneutic-of-continuity-function-machine?  

Let's see here -- put this IN -- and here it comes OUT -- It says, "The Means
To An End Is Unjustified."
 Hmm.  That sounds like a misprint.  Let's make
an adjustment to the fine tuning knob in the back, here and see... Or, now it
says, "In the End, the Means Is Its Own Justification."  Now, that's a little
better, maybe here... alternatively, "That The Means Is Just-As-Fine, Never
Ends."
There we go.  That's the ticket!

To demonstrate this in action, we have +F of April 2013 saying that we're still
against the Newmass, and then we have +F of April 2012 saying We
accept the Newmass.  He's against the Newmass in 2013 and he's in favor
of
the Newmass in 2012, but he doesn't retract being in favor, neither does
he retract being against the Newmass.  That's why he can say "I am against
the Council!" -- as long as you see that in light of "I accept the Council."  He
can also say, "I accept the Council" as long as you understand it in the light
of Tradition
!  In his mind, he's not contradicting himself, because he has to
believe both.  That's why you've got the double tongue.  

This kind of thinking is death to souls.




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I would also note:  That like most SSPX priests these days, Our Priest did not mention the cost of such a recognition by modernist Rome.  
[He didn't want to sound negative!]

He did not speak of the dangers that such a compromise of the faith would have.  
[Non Nobis Negationis!!]

He did not mention how the Doctrinal Counter Offer of April 15, 2012 would destroy all the SSPX had stood for.  
[Non Nobis Negationis!!]

He only said that many of the 200 Bishops said they would like the SSPX to train their seminarians.  
["Let's look at the bright side!"]

He did not say it, but he implied that this was a great thing!
[It's all a matter of how you look at it!]




See above!



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Mary Help of Christians…PRAY FOR US!




Title: Seminary Cornerstone
Post by: Incredulous on May 06, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
Wessex said:

    "...With finance coming from Rothschild sources, image the kudos attached to one's resume; if not trad revivalism, certainly revolutionary Wall Street trading ....... I  never thought there was a connection! The future is just pregnant with possibilities! "


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Hey, Maxie done enrolled us in a goy seminary and we're even getting kosher meals!