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Offline Mr G

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Seminarian dismissed from Econe
« on: May 06, 2018, 04:53:10 PM »
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  • News from:

    http://tradcatresist.blogspot.ie/

    We have just heard the following -
     
    "A seminarian who was in the 5th year at the seminary of Ecône (a few weeks away from the important step of the sub-diaconate) was, it seems, abruptly dismissed from the seminary for reasons of opposition to the rallying. The family of this young man has often told the district superior of the SSPX in France of his concern about the direction taken by Bishop Fellay. The young man is very affected by this decision"  (http://resistance.vraiforum.com)

     Of course one hopes that this young man, after a period of reflection, may consider continuing his training with the SAJM. However one has to marvel at the hypocrisy at hand here. How often the SSPX salutes those brave opponents of the Francis regime who end up losing position or employment due to simply asking questions about the trajectory of the Pope. Yet when a seminarian in their own seminary does the same, they act in just such a fashion!


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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #1 on: May 07, 2018, 12:16:22 AM »
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  •  :pray: :pray: :pray:  for this seminarian.


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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #2 on: May 07, 2018, 12:28:16 AM »
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  • Pray that a trad bishop takes him under his tutelage for the remainder of his formation and ordains him.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 08:23:42 AM »
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  • That is so unfair to the seminarian. When you give up your LIFE and you are well on your way to becoming a priest, it's difficult to just go back to the world like "oh well" 5 years later.

    Ask soldiers (who were deployed to real, actual wars) what it's like coming "home" after several years of war -- killing people, watching your friend explode next to you, etc. It's virtually impossible to re-assimilate into luxurious, frivolous, Suburban culture.
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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #4 on: May 07, 2018, 09:07:22 AM »
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  • From a human perspective, it is certainly an outrage how the sspx treats many seminarians, especially those who disagree with their philosophical dance with rome.  From a spiritual perspective, this is the greatest thing to ever happen to this seminarian.  It is certainly a blessing in disguise!  How many seminarians, with a healthy distrust of +Fellay's direction, attended the sspx because there was no other seminary option, yet after 6 years of propaganda and a few more after being ordained are now fully "on board" with a "deal", and thus will compromise their faith and lead countless other laity to destruction?  Many, and i've known a few personally.  Quality over quantity.  Let this seminarian flee the lukewarmness that is the sspx and find an orthodox seminary/Bishop!


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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #5 on: May 07, 2018, 09:33:56 AM »
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  • Now, is it possible that he was dismissed for other reasons?  I think that it's being inferred here that it was due to his concerns about +Fellay's rapproachment with Rome.  It's not uncommon for seminarians to be dismissed just prior to the sub-diaconate because of how big a step that major order is.  If I recall, it's the point of no return (absent laicization) from celibacy.

    Now, if that were the case, that he was dismissed for that reason alone, then it's completely wrong but he should have no issues catching on with the Resistance ... who now have a bevy of bishops.

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #6 on: May 07, 2018, 09:36:47 AM »
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  • Now, there was a big controversy with The Nine back in the day because a group of 3 seminarians just kept quiet about their sympathy with the expelled Nine until after they were ordained ... after which they promptly left and joined up with The Nine.  They were accused of "stealing the priesthood".  Had they spoken up and had been denied ordination, would that have been wrong as well?

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #7 on: May 07, 2018, 10:06:09 AM »
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  • What's the possibility of a lawsuit based on misrepresentation of the Catholic Faith by the SSPX ?

    At issue: The SSPX superiors have engaged in "bait & switch" deceptions.

    The seminarian enrolled in the SSPX's program with the mutual understanding they would teach traditional Catholicism.
    But he did not receive it.  He questioned Bp. Fellay compromise with modernism, which the SSPX was founded on opposing.

    It would be a great civil court case. 

    And we all know, the SSPX doesn't hesitate to drag trad Catholics into court to protect their selfish interests.
    (i.e. Blocking the 238 militant Sermons of +ABL).

    I pray for the day when the SSPX is drug into the courts.  I bet they're legal defense will be made by Jєωιѕн lawyers. :jester:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #8 on: May 07, 2018, 10:22:53 AM »
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  • Pray that a trad bishop takes him under his tutelage for the remainder of his formation and ordains him.
    We have four bishops who stand for the one true Faith and against the infectious modernism that has set in the SSPX. Although the full circuмstances of the dismissal are unbeknownst to us, surely there is a solution that will rear its head for the good of the seminarian and Mother Church.
    This also makes me substantially more leery of the young men recently ordained by the Society. How conformed are they to the new vision?
    I am trying to assemble a litmus test to discern the stance of two such young priests here in my home province. It needs to be done in a way that my hand shall not be shown, at least not as of yet, with my standing behind His Lordship the Lion of England, our other three bishops of the Resistance.

    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #9 on: May 07, 2018, 10:33:08 AM »
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  • What's the possibility of a lawsuit based on misrepresentation of the Catholic Faith by the SSPX ?

    At issue: The SSPX superiors have engaged in "bait & switch" deceptions.

    The seminarian enrolled in the SSPX's program with the mutual understanding they would teach traditional Catholicism.
    But he did not receive it.  He questioned Bp. Fellay compromise with modernism, which the SSPX was founded on opposing.

    It would be a great civil court case.  

    And we all know, the SSPX doesn't hesitate to drag trad Catholics into court to protect their selfish interests.
    (i.e. Blocking the 238 militant Sermons of +ABL).

    I pray for the day when the SSPX is drug into the courts.  I bet they're legal defense will be made by Jєωιѕн lawyers. :jester:
    Bait and switch from the SSPX I know too well from my school experience with them. Twas too late to back out of a moral agreement made to teach therein. Some good did come from the experience but it is one tour of duty that I would not want to repeat.
    O what a web they weave, when they practice to deceive.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #10 on: May 07, 2018, 11:49:54 AM »
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  • Bait and switch from the SSPX I know too well from my school experience with them. Twas too late to back out of a moral agreement made to teach therein. Some good did come from the experience but it is one tour of duty that I would not want to repeat.
    O what a web they weave, when they practice to deceive.
    Were you trying to be poetic, or do you just structure your english in a very old english fashion that naturally suits itself to poetry?  Because, that really read like poetry.  And, I liked it.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #11 on: May 07, 2018, 12:54:34 PM »
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  • I do find myself having the tendency to write in an older form of expression, sometimes unconsciously! Tis but a reflection of my English studies varied and vast. Shakespeare, Chaucer and Old English forms, taking after Tolkien,s works. Part of medieval temperament as well I would assuage too.
    I ought to get back to writing short stories and the like in such a vein. Alas that illness has oft sapped my creative musings. 
    Thanks for thy kind words. 🙏
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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2018, 01:55:51 PM »
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  • We have four bishops who stand for the one true Faith and against the infectious modernism that has set in the SSPX. Although the full circuмstances of the dismissal are unbeknownst to us, surely there is a solution that will rear its head for the good of the seminarian and Mother Church.
    This also makes me substantially more leery of the young men recently ordained by the Society. How conformed are they to the new vision?
    I am trying to assemble a litmus test to discern the stance of two such young priests here in my home province. It needs to be done in a way that my hand shall not be shown, at least not as of yet, with my standing behind His Lordship the Lion of England, our other three bishops of the Resistance.

    And how does being sneaky benefit you or them in place of just being direct and asking them?  Which course of action would be more virtuous?  

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2018, 02:28:44 PM »
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  • And how does being sneaky benefit you or them in place of just being direct and asking them?  Which course of action would be more virtuous?  
    When gathering intelligence, it is never good to display one's full deck of cards.

    If alarming information were to be gained subtly yet without deceit, then others of the True Faith could be given fair warning.

    On the other hand, if a sort of confidence were to be created, then perhaps these young priests could be persuaded to join the Resistance before all is lost.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Seminarian dismissed from Econe
    « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2018, 04:49:05 PM »
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  • Discretion be the better part of valour. Indeed subtlety. And charity above all else. I can but pray the young priests I know would be open to, that is, realize the problems of the SSPX, and join the Resistance. Alas I fear the comforts and stability of remaining with the sinking ship might prove too overwhelming, especially when a priest is just starting out. Pray they will choose wisely.

    Remember again we are at war, and our conduct must be becoming according to that nature. Be very careful whom you trust, and what utterances pass through thy lips, lest damage be done to thy soul, thy neighbour's soul, and our glorious cause which is nothing more than the One True Faith itself.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster