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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2025, 04:37:39 PM »
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2025, 07:09:28 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on December 18, 2025, 03:42:04 PM
Lad,


You're missing Struthio's point. The consummation is not a one shot thing like the "end of the world" suggests. The issue was "shepherds until the consummation." Here is Struthio's point, in his words, succinctly:


The essence of his argument is that the "consummation" is a period of time at the end of the age, or the end of the world, no matter. The consummation has a start date and an end date years later. If there are "shepherds" until the "consummation," so understood, then there's a period of time after it begins when there will be no shepherds.

That was the essence of his argument.

He has a lot of authority behind him in that thread.

DR


No, I'm not missing the point at all ... saeculum is not a reference to the world in the sense of the world, which is the impression get when it's mistranlated, but an epoch of time, and the filling out or consummation of time is in fact the same thing as when time ceases.  End of Time is a very good translation, as the expression refers to "until everything has all been wrapped up" and it's all over in terms of this world, and we fade into the saecula saeculorum, aka eternity, aka the end of time.  In other words, it's precisely the mistranslation that might in English give the impression that it's come kind of process, but the Latin doesn't indicate that at all, but simply means until this world or age (in time) has been "wrapped up", when everything's done and over with.  It's not referring some kind of Teihardian process of moving toward an Omega point.
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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #97 on: December 19, 2025, 02:52:40 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2025, 07:09:28 PM
No, I'm not missing the point at all ... saeculum is not a reference to the world in the sense of the world, which is the impression get when it's mistranlated, but an epoch of time, and the filling out or consummation of time is in fact the same thing as when time ceases.  End of Time is a very good translation, as the expression refers to "until everything has all been wrapped up" and it's all over in terms of this world, and we fade into the saecula saeculorum, aka eternity, aka the end of time.  In other words, it's precisely the mistranslation that might in English give the impression that it's come kind of process, but the Latin doesn't indicate that at all, but simply means until this world or age (in time) has been "wrapped up", when everything's done and over with.  It's not referring some kind of Teihardian process of moving toward an Omega point.

I took this over to the other thread, Struthio's, as more relevant there. 
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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2026, 10:36:20 PM »
Using private revelation to prove or disprove a point of doctrine or dogmatic truth is not only stupid but also shows how weak the argument is. When opposing sedevacantism or the recognize-and-resist doctrine, its just best to refer to doctrinal statements, papal bulls, the church fathers, theology manuals, etc. 

Private revelations should always be taken with a grain of salt, even those that have been met with approval by The Church. However, at the end of the day, private revelations are not binding on the faithful 
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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2026, 10:06:13 AM »


Do most Trads here agree that we're in the 5th Age of the Church, according to Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser?

Holzhauser

The 5th Age is estimated to be a "dress rehearsal" for the final 7th Age of the Church.  
So said Bp. Williamson and many other qualified Church prelates.

The theme of this topic is that Our Lady of LaSalette recognized the current popes (and their usurpation of the Seat) therefore sede-vacantism is wrong.

But in the same message Our Lady of LaSalette said:  

 "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist."



This why Our Lady had broken down and was crying profusely.

If you can't see what pope Bob represents, pray for discernment.



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