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Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2025, 03:58:09 PM »
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  • ^^This^^ statement is puzzling, to put it mildly.  He has been dead for almost four years.  What, if anything, am I missing?

    What you're missing is his death was faked. The prophesied final Pope, Benedict XVI, [St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes] was forced to "resign" from office, imprisoned and thought to be dead [Pope Pius X's prophecy] and will appear publicly again [Don Bosco's Prophecy of the Venerable Old Man] just after the Warning [Garabandal].

    The Miracle [Garabandal] is probably related to this Pope and to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart that only he, as the Pope, can do [Fatima]. He will be the Holy Pope. The reign of the Blessed Virgin Mary will begin during this time.

    After the Miracle there will be a short period of peace [Holzhauser, La Salette]. And then will be the final battle between the just and the reprobate, symbolized by the Two Witnesses [the Apocalypse]. Then the Second Coming. Then the General Judgment. Then the New Heaven and New Earth.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #61 on: December 16, 2025, 04:25:41 PM »
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  • What you're missing is his death was faked. The prophesied final Pope, Benedict XVI, [St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes] was forced to "resign" from office, imprisoned and thought to be dead [Pope Pius X's prophecy] and will appear publicly again [Don Bosco's Prophecy of the Venerable Old Man] just after the Warning [Garabandal].

    The Miracle [Garabandal] is probably related to this Pope and to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart that only he, as the Pope, can do [Fatima]. He will be the Holy Pope. The reign of the Blessed Virgin Mary will begin during this time.

    After the Miracle there will be a short period of peace [Holzhauser, La Salette]. And then will be the final battle between the just and the reprobate, symbolized by the Two Witnesses [the Apocalypse]. Then the Second Coming. Then the General Judgment. Then the New Heaven and New Earth.

    Where is the antichrist in this?


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #62 on: December 16, 2025, 04:37:49 PM »
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  • Where is the antichrist in this?

    Sitting in the Temple of God, acting as if he is God [St. Paul].The Temple of God refers to the institutional apparatus of the Roman Catholic Church. The reference is to Bergoglio, the man of sin. Prevost is Bergoglio's mini-me. All of his Cardinals and Bishops of the Counterfeit Church implement Bergoglio's agenda

    Just as the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, the Synodal Church was founded by Bergoglio.


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #63 on: December 16, 2025, 05:20:25 PM »
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  • The quote below is from the Opus Imperfectum, an incomplete commentary on Matthew's Gospel that the Church for centuries attributed to St. Chrysostom . . . until the modernist "scholars" determined otherwise. It is said of St. Thomas of Aquinas that he remarked that he would rather have the complete Opus than be mayor of Paris.

    St. Thomas quoted the work in the Summa, and in the Catena Aurea. Here's an example of the modernists at work in the Summa:


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    On the contrary, Chrysostom [*Hom. xi in Matth. in the Opus Imperfectum, falsely ascribed to St. John Chrysostom] says: "He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins. For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but even the good to do wrong."

    https://www.ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/summa.SS_Q158_A8.html

    Here's the Opus quote:


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    What shall we say then? All these things have to be understood spiritually in this manner: “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains” and “So when you see the desolating sacrilege … standing in the holy place.” That is to say, when you see a godless heresy, which is the army of Antichrist, standing in the holy places of the church, at that time “let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,” that is, let those who are in Christianity hasten to the Scriptures. For just as the real Jew is a Christian, as the apostle says (“For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly.… He is a Jew who is one inwardly”), so also the real Judah is Christianity, whose name is understood to mean “confession.” But the mountains are the Scriptures of the apostles and prophets, concerning whom it is said, “Glorious are you, more majestic than the everlasting mountains.” And again he says about the church, “On the holy mount stands the city he founded.” And why does he order all Christians to hasten to the Scriptures at this time? Because at this time, ever since a heresy lay hold of those churches, there can be no other test of true Christianity or any other refuge of Christians who want to know the truth of the faith than the divine Scriptures. For previously he was showing in many ways what the church of Christ is and what heathenness is, but now those who want to know what the true church of Christ is can know it in no other way than only through the Scriptures. Why? Because also the heretics in their schism have all these things that are rightly Christ’s in truth: they likewise have churches, the divine Scriptures also, bishops and the rest of the ranks of clergy, baptism, the Eucharist in other respects, and all the other things, and finally Christ. Therefore, if someone wishes to know what the true church of Christ is, how will he know it amid the confusion of such similarity unless he learns it only through the Scriptures?


    Thomas C. Oden and Gerald L. Bray, eds., Incomplete Commentary on Matthew (Opus Imperfectum), trans. James A. Kellerman, vol. 1 & 2, Ancient Christian Texts (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2010), 382–383.

    A former member, Struthio, had a great thread on the abomination of desolation and the Great Apostasy that we are witnessing:


    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/210/

    My view: the "antichrist" is the spirit of a vast apostasy foretold in Scripture that invades the church via "locusts" (Apoc. 9:1-3), an army of false "prophets - popes, bishops, etc. - with an anti-Gospel, not a single man, though there may be a leader of them, who is just a figure head, or a point man for the discessio, the revolt, the apostasy. The "single man" thing just causes divisions, finger pointing, false claims, claims not capable of being substantiated, etc.

    We see the heresy, and the many that espouse it. They have "encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city." Apoc. 20:8. The remedy and relief will come with Christ appearing in the fire of judgment. Apoc. 20:9.

    Look to the sacraments if you can get them, the Rosary, and Scripture.

    No human calvary of a "good pope" or any other man or men is coming.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #64 on: December 16, 2025, 06:06:48 PM »
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  • The quote below is from the Opus Imperfectum, an incomplete commentary on Matthew's Gospel that the Church for centuries attributed to St. Chrysostom . . . until the modernist "scholars" determined otherwise. It is said of St. Thomas of Aquinas that he remarked that he would rather have the complete Opus than be mayor of Paris.

    St. Thomas quoted the work in the Summa, and in the Catena Aurea. Here's an example of the modernists at work in the Summa:


    Here's the Opus quote:


    A former member, Struthio, had a great thread on the abomination of desolation and the Great Apostasy that we are witnessing:


    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/210/

    My view: the "antichrist" is the spirit of a vast apostasy foretold in Scripture that invades the church via "locusts" (Apoc. 9:1-3), an army of false "prophets - popes, bishops, etc. - with an anti-Gospel, not a single man, though there may be a leader of them, who is just a figure head, or a point man for the discessio, the revolt, the apostasy. The "single man" thing just causes divisions, finger pointing, false claims, claims not capable of being substantiated, etc.

    We see the heresy, and the many that espouse it. They have "encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city." Apoc. 20:8. The remedy and relief will come with Christ appearing in the fire of judgment. Apoc. 20:9.

    Look to the sacraments if you can get them, the Rosary, and Scripture.

    No human calvary of a "good pope" or any other man or men is coming.

    DR, there will be a short restoration, period of peace, for the benefit of the elect to prepare for the final battle.

    This short period of peace is the period discussed by Our Lady of Fatima as being contingent upon the Pope consecration Russia to Her Immaculate Heart. Therefore, this period of peace that comes as a result of the Consecration is not the same as the final Rest of the Saints in the New Heaven and New Earth that comes after the Second Coming. That final Era is without end. The promised peace of Fatima is a short period.

    Again, the purpose of the short peace is to prepare the Saints for the final battle. These events are discussed in Apocalypse 10-11. First event is the Warning [Apoc. 10:1-11]. Then the Holy Pope, "the reed like a rod" is mentioned teaching the witnesses [Apoc. 11:1-2]. Then the battle is described [Apoc. 11:3-11. Then the assumption of the martyrs into Heaven [11:12]. Then the Second Coming.

    Jesus Christ is coming secretly/interiorly/invisibly in the Warning. Then the Holy Pope and the Virgin Mary do their things. Then the final battle ensues. Then Jesus comes visibly in the Second Coming.



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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #65 on: December 16, 2025, 07:33:27 PM »
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  • What you're missing is his death was faked. 

    Ah...and your evidence? :popcorn:
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #66 on: December 16, 2025, 07:35:06 PM »
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  • ...the Warning [Garabandal].

    The Miracle [Garabandal]...

    Garabandal is beyond suspect, so that is a bit of a problem.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #67 on: December 16, 2025, 07:38:48 PM »
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  • Just as the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, the Synodal Church was founded by Bergoglio.

    So who founded the Conciliar Church and how does that fit in your, shall we say, interesting understanding?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #68 on: December 16, 2025, 08:34:19 PM »
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  • Wow, dude....

    Yeah ... that's probably the only response to this.  Ratzinger's heresies are well docuмented.  Bishop Tissier, no sedevacantist, made a thorough study of Ratzinger's writing and concluded that he was a "heretic worse than Luther".

    While of course people will attack the source, this video consists of little more than their reading directly from the writings of Ratzinger, showing the actual pages, with the relevant sections underlined, combined with some other interesting footage.


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #69 on: December 16, 2025, 08:48:27 PM »
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  • Ah...and your evidence? :popcorn:

    The man on the bier was not Ratzinger. Totally different profile. Nose, chin, forehead do not match that of Ratzinger.

    But the real evidence is in the prophecies. The 70 years since John XXIII failed to announce the Third Secret BEFORE 1960 is almost up. And the Pope with the "same name" as Guiseppe [Joseph] Sarto is not Bergoglio or Prevost.

    It should be obvious who the Holy Father who had "much to suffer" was. It was Benedict XVI, who was forced to "resign" so that Bergoglian revolution could be finalized before God said His "enough."

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #70 on: December 16, 2025, 08:51:56 PM »
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/210/

    My view: the "antichrist" is the spirit of a vast apostasy foretold in Scripture that invades the church via "locusts" (Apoc. 9:1-3), an army of false "prophets - popes, bishops, etc. - with an anti-Gospel, not a single man, though there may be a leader of them, who is just a figure head, or a point man for the discessio, the revolt, the apostasy. The "single man" thing just causes divisions, finger pointing, false claims, claims not capable of being substantiated, etc.

    We see the heresy, and the many that espouse it. They have "encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city." Apoc. 20:8. The remedy and relief will come with Christ appearing in the fire of judgment. Apoc. 20:9.

    Look to the sacraments if you can get them, the Rosary, and Scripture.

    No human calvary of a "good pope" or any other man or men is coming.

    I disagree that there isn't a good pope on the way.  Obviously we don't now when, and this isn't the same as the Q deception, which too many people fell for, but there's a significant amount of credible Catholic prophecy which foretells the arrival of a Holy Pope and Great Monarch, who together bring about a Triumph of the Church, via a consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which will come late, but that it will result in a sudden, immediate, and full conversion of Russia, which will then be used by God to spread the faith to the rest of the world (which I suspect means also taking down China).  Then after that there will be a period of peace, after which Anti-Christ.

    There's also too much both prophecy and just interpretations of Sacred Scripture by Church Fathers that do indicate that Anti-Christ will be a single individual.

    I personally believe it will present as an Alien, causing nearly everyone to lose faith, as he will change appearance, and then claim that Christ, Moses, Muhammed, were all aliens, sent to benefit mankind, and he will be attempting to replicate the miracles of Christ in order to prove the claim, and then gets struck down while attempting to mimic Our Lord's Ascension into Heaven.

    BTW, Struthio's basic blunder on that thread, and I'm not sure if anyone called him out the entire time ... was, yeah, he was focused on the Latin ... but then mistranslated the Latin constantly, assuming that it was correct.  saeculum does NOT mean "the world", but rather an epoch of time, an age, and era, so that "end of time" is a perfectly legitimate translation, but it could also mean the end of an epoch, as in one of the ages of the Church.  Yet by context, if at the consummation (completion or filling out or perfection) of this age, Christ returns, then it's more than just the end of any epoch, but in fact the final epoch or the larger epoch that includes all of human history (my personal favorite), so IMO "end of time" might just actually be the best translation.


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #71 on: December 16, 2025, 08:53:37 PM »
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  • The man on the bier was not Ratzinger. Totally different profile. Nose, chin, forehead do not match that of Ratzinger.

    But the real evidence is in the prophecies. The 70 years since John XXIII failed to announce the Third Secret BEFORE 1960 is almost up. And the Pope with the "same name" as Guiseppe [Joseph] Sarto is not Bergoglio or Prevost.

    It should be obvious who the Holy Father who had "much to suffer" was. It was Benedict XVI, who was forced to "resign" so that Bergoglian revolution could be finalized before God said His "enough."

    This reminds me of another alleged prophecy about a 150-year-old Montini returning.

    What fantasies people entertain just to avoid sedevacantism ... since ultimately that's what this is about and what drives this.

    As for the 70 years, assuming that's a solid number ... could also be from the time that Pius XII died and/or the Anti-Pope Roncalli died.

    So ... how about Giuseppe Siri, eh?  He was the Pope legitimately elected instead of Roncalli and uncanonically forced out.  But the same name could also be a Pius, and could also be someone yet to come.

    2029 is a good time for something to happen, since it'll mark 100 years since Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia, and would be just a bit over 70 years since Roncalli usurped the papacy

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #72 on: December 16, 2025, 08:54:19 PM »
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  • Garabandal is beyond suspect, so that is a bit of a problem.

    Garabandal is just an extension of the other well known Marian prophecies. The Warning is Biblical. The Miracle relates to the Consecration/Era of Peace discussed by Fatima. 

    You are not required to believe anything. But you would do well to at least learn about the Warning so you are prepared for it. It is the event that will "come like a thief in the night." Watch and pray.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #73 on: December 16, 2025, 08:56:50 PM »
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  • Garabandal is just an extension of the other well known Marian prophecies. The Warning is Biblical. The Miracle relates to the Consecration/Era of Peace discussed by Fatima.

    You are not required to believe anything. But you would do well to at least learn about the Warning so you are prepared for it. It is the event that will "come like a thief in the night." Watch and pray.

    Says you.  Garabandal was a diabolical parody of Fatima.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #74 on: December 16, 2025, 08:57:14 PM »
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  • So who founded the Conciliar Church and how does that fit in your, shall we say, interesting understanding?

    That was Bergs, don't ya know?