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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2025, 05:44:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on August 03, 2025, 12:52:12 AM
    I apologize, Baldwin IV.  Please try this link and let me know if it works:


    https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/bergoglio-and-prevost-two-worm-ridden
    Glad you are back. Very much enjoyed and found engaging your Forge & Anvil blog.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #16 on: August 03, 2025, 07:56:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 03, 2025, 10:55:08 AM
    The Rothschild-Gutmann Money Behind the SSPX Kosher Imperative

    the original site was nuked by the Jews, but the article is archived here:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131020030428/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #17 on: August 03, 2025, 08:04:15 PM »
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #18 on: August 04, 2025, 10:09:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on August 03, 2025, 11:35:00 AM

    A beautiful save! :cowboy:


    Recall the highlights of this SSPX fiasco were very entertaining and revealing of Menzingen’s arrogance:

    1.  2010, First news of “funny business” breaks when a trad doing an internet search on SSPX legal entities, finds multiple shell corporations being set-up in Europe.

    2. EU law requires business incorporation to be publicly disclosed. On the SSPX incorporation docs, 
    An unknown character (Maximillian Krah) is listed as a signatory.

    3. The SSPX is caught like a deer in car headlights.  They can say nothing, but eventually try to act as if Krah is just a “Catholic” attorney helping their cause.
     Krah’s Jєωιѕн baggage is so conspicuous that the SSPX response becomes a laughing stock.

    4. Many months later, the  SSPX stages a Krah interview with one of their political PR men, Mr. Siscoe.
    Siscoe purports to have providentially met Krah in an elevator while attending an SSPX Angelus conference.
    It was Published in the Remnant.  Krah played the racial “Jєωιѕн victim” card, and inadvertently released more revealing information about his SSPX legal relationship.

    5. This cover-up came to a screeching halt, when in 2011, Krah came onto Cathinfo trying to defend himself.  
    He revealed more information about his agency relationship with the Jaidhoff family who contributed 80million Euros to the SSPX.   In the same set of posts, another CI member revealed the Jaidhoff family were historically linked to the Rothschilds.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #19 on: August 04, 2025, 01:21:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on August 04, 2025, 10:09:23 AM

    Recall the highlights of this SSPX fiasco were very entertaining and revealing of Menzingen’s arrogance:

    1.  2010, First news of “funny business” breaks when a trad doing an internet search on SSPX legal entities, finds multiple shell corporations being set-up in Europe.

    2. EU law requires business incorporation to be publicly disclosed. On the SSPX incorporation docs,
    An unknown character (Maximillian Krah) is listed as a signatory.

    3. The SSPX is caught like a deer in car headlights.  They can say nothing, but eventually try to act as if Krah is just a “Catholic” attorney helping their cause.
     Krah’s Jєωιѕн baggage is so conspicuous that the SSPX response becomes a laughing stock.

    4. Many months later, the  SSPX stages a Krah interview with one of their political PR men, Mr. Siscoe.
    Siscoe purports to have providentially met Krah in an elevator while attending an SSPX Angelus conference.
    It was Published in the Remnant.  Krah played the racial “Jєωιѕн victim” card, and inadvertently released more revealing information about his SSPX legal relationship.

    5. This cover-up came to a screeching halt, when in 2011, Krah came onto Cathinfo trying to defend himself. 
    He revealed more information about his agency relationship with the Jaidhoff family who contributed 80million Euros to the SSPX.  In the same set of posts, another CI member revealed the Jaidhoff family were historically linked to the Rothschilds.

    This is before my time. I did not know this. I knew about Krah, but not about what had happened before he became news.

    So, basically, the SSPX was bought by the Jews, and Krah was the broker. I bet he was rewarded with a nice commission. They love the dollars and euros $$$.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #20 on: August 08, 2025, 09:50:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on August 04, 2025, 01:21:01 PM
    This is before my time. I did not know this. I knew about Krah, but not about what had happened before he became news.

    So, basically, the SSPX was bought by the Jews, and Krah was the broker. I bet he was rewarded with a nice commission. They love the dollars and euros $$$.

    If you study Krah’s Wiki bio, his political activities make him come off looking like a Mossad operative.

    Krah Wiki bio
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #21 on: August 09, 2025, 12:34:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on August 08, 2025, 09:50:56 PM
    If you study Krah’s Wiki bio, his political activities make him come off looking like a Mossad operative.

    Krah Wiki bio

    Very strange "carreer".

    Plus, "He is a practising Catholic, is widowed and has eight children by three women."

    Really? So he at 48-years-old has already buried three wives?

    There is not a single line on that profile that makes this man look like a regular Traditionalist.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #22 on: December 11, 2025, 11:27:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on August 04, 2025, 10:09:23 AM

    Recall the highlights of this SSPX fiasco were very entertaining and revealing of Menzingen’s arrogance:

    1.  2010, First news of “funny business” breaks when a trad doing an internet search on SSPX legal entities, finds multiple shell corporations being set-up in Europe.

    2. EU law requires business incorporation to be publicly disclosed. On the SSPX incorporation docs,
    An unknown character (Maximillian Krah) is listed as a signatory.

    3. The SSPX is caught like a deer in car headlights.  They can say nothing, but eventually try to act as if Krah is just a “Catholic” attorney helping their cause.
     Krah’s Jєωιѕн baggage is so conspicuous that the SSPX response becomes a laughing stock.

    4. Many months later, the  SSPX stages a Krah interview with one of their political PR men, Mr. Siscoe.
    Siscoe purports to have providentially met Krah in an elevator while attending an SSPX Angelus conference.
    It was Published in the Remnant.  Krah played the racial “Jєωιѕн victim” card, and inadvertently released more revealing information about his SSPX legal relationship.

    5. This cover-up came to a screeching halt, when in 2011, Krah came onto Cathinfo trying to defend himself. 
    He revealed more information about his agency relationship with the Jaidhoff family who contributed 80million Euros to the SSPX.  In the same set of posts, another CI member revealed the Jaidhoff family were historically linked to the Rothschilds.
    What would Krah's profile be called? Or the name of the thread if you can remember?
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #23 on: December 11, 2025, 11:35:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on May 25, 2021, 08:05:01 AM
    In the message of La Salette, an important line was deleted. This line was deleted:
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    "There will be two worm-ridden popes". 
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    "popes" not "men who claim to be pope".
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    The video by Fr Gregory Hesse is here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNpxv0Fnv0
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    So, The Resistance, as long as it is NOT sedevacantist, is OK.
    And when the SSPX says,
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    The Resistance is "practical sedevacantism", they are WRONG. 
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    The pope could apply to a true pope locked in a dungeon while the puppet reigns.

    The pope could apply to a true pope who ceased being a true pope through heresy.

    Anyone who says there is a true pope reigning freely who universally accepts Vatican II doesn't understand the divinity of the Church.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #24 on: December 11, 2025, 12:55:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 11, 2025, 11:35:41 AM
    The pope could apply to a true pope locked in a dungeon while the puppet reigns.

    The pope could apply to a true pope who ceased being a true pope through heresy.

    Anyone who says there is a true pope reigning freely who universally accepts Vatican II doesn't understand the divinity of the Church.
    Affirm or deny:

    Pope Honorius remained the Roman Pontiff until his death, even though the Sixth Ecuмenical Council formally condemned and anathematized him as a heretic and Pope Leo II ratified that condemnation.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #25 on: December 11, 2025, 01:01:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: BaldwinIV on August 02, 2025, 05:48:22 PM

    The Substack page is set to private. Could you post it on a public page? Thanks. I personally haven't seen the "Sea of Peter will become the Antichrist" bit the last time I looked for the original La Salette text. I'm also not sure which version / text was approved of the Vatican.

    That being said, the "two worm-ridden popes" can mean any pair of popes. It could mean Paul VI and JPII, JPII and Benedict, Benedict and Francis, etc. So, that wouldn't "disprove" sedevacantism per se. Also, why just two? We've had more than two bad popes by now, one worse than the other.

    I am personally anti-sedevacantist, but I obviously cannot overlook the purely canonical problems, which have nothing to do with judging heresy (Viganós arguments):

    - Benedict did not resign properly and after "resigning" still dressed in white, gave the apostolic blessing, etc. (obviously this was intentional from a Modernist perspective, in order to split the munus and magisterium and pave the way for a primus-inter-pares papacy)
    - Leo was voted in by too many cardinals
    - 1917 Canon law requiring the pope to be at least a valid priest, yet the NO bishop rites are likely invalid, which means that Francis and Leo would not have been valid priests and therefore canonically not admissable to the papacy

    So even with La Salette, it doesn't resolve the above - purely canonical - doubts.

    I think the smartest solution is naming the pope "sub conditione", as it's valid either way. Some Resistance priests do this.

    Yes, Our Lady had her head on her hands because of the Seat becoming that of the anti-Christs. 

     I think the long version of Pope Leo XIII's "St. Michael's Prayer" specifically state the "false throne" imposed upon Rome.

    Who was the last Pope mentioned by name in an approved Marian apparition?

    I believe it was Pope Pius XI.  He appears to have been murdered by lethal injection.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #26 on: December 11, 2025, 05:00:58 PM »
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    • Argument is stupid, since we have no idea who these men would be, nor any definition of what "worm-ridden" means ... literal? metaphorical? heresy? moral depravity?

    Could be that the two worm-ridden "popes" if indeed the word pope is to be taken as meaning "legitimate popes" vs. "putative popes" (recall the joke by +Lefebvre where he said that he does not say that the pope is not the pope nor that one cannot say that the pope is not the pope) ... but even if Our Lady had used the term in the strict sense of a legitimate (vs. putative) pope, perhaps it's a reference to, oh, Pius XI and Pius XII ... who led up to Vatican II.  We simply don't know.

    And the idioctic Bennyvacantist position are pretending that Bergoglio and Prevost are the two worm-ridden ones ... as if there was nothing wrong with Montini and Wojtyla, even though those two were in fact horrific.  So Our Lady's message means that Montini and Wojtyla were just fine compared to Bergs and Prevost, just like the Bennyvacantists?  Ridiculous.

    And, the term worm-ridden might also mean something other than a metaphor for heresy.  I mean ... Montini was widely reputated to have been a practicing sodomite, so maybe she literally refers to parasites.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #27 on: December 11, 2025, 05:27:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: ArmandLouis on December 11, 2025, 12:55:31 PM
    Affirm or deny:

    Pope Honorius remained the Roman Pontiff until his death, even though the Sixth Ecuмenical Council formally condemned and anathematized him as a heretic and Pope Leo II ratified that condemnation.

    St. Francis de Sales (Doctor of the Church) said that Honorius was "perhaps" a heretic. But he continued to say that when a pope is explicitly a heretic he automatically ceases to be pope.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #28 on: December 11, 2025, 07:41:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 11, 2025, 05:27:10 PM
    St. Francis de Sales (Doctor of the Church) said that Honorius was "perhaps" a heretic. But he continued to say that when a pope is explicitly a heretic he automatically ceases to be pope.
    The Sixth Ecuмenical Council formally condemned and anathematized Pope Honorius as a heretic.
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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #29 on: December 12, 2025, 06:18:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: ArmandLouis on December 11, 2025, 07:41:43 PM
    The Sixth Ecuмenical Council formally condemned and anathematized Pope Honorius as a heretic.

    As I mentioned, St. Francis de Sales wrote that Honorius was not an explicit heretic. Honorius' actions were not from the papal office to the whole Church.
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