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John Grace · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2013, 04:04:38 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

In spite of all the resources thrown at any legalised religious entity by naive supporters, the recipients of such undeserved largesse will quickly distance themselves from the actions of the faithful when the going gets tough and hide behind legal phraseology. Bearing in mind the SSPX at one time would when it had influential support manufacture the bullets for others to fire, it has now forsworn militancy for the benefits of getting along in society. Ergo, the expulsion of militants and sermons against their 'sinful' activism.

Trustworthiness and the Society are not happy bedfellows. There is now no reason to keep attending unless one's feet are not connected to one's brain. As regards the notorious fence-sitter, Fr. Morgan, his London congregation is not so large as to claim ignorance of the Krah whistle-blowing. With such a wonderful career ahead of him in the new Society, he is obviously capable of throwing all his congregation under the bus of ambition and progress. In times of great official delinquency and irregularity, these clerics must work hard to gain the trust of the faithful because it will not be automatic. If this does not work, they can always try the 'soul damning' route!

The resistance in London must be doing something right when they featured in Searchlies.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #31 on:** December 31, 2013, 09:33:32 PM »

This just got even more interesting... ha!

poche · « **Reply #32 on:** January 01, 2014, 12:15:09 AM »

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Forgive my ignorance, but do SSPX priests have authority over the third order? Is it wrong for the lay people to be kicked out for supporting the resistance and why? I know a few members from our chapel were kicked out of the preparatory classes and he refused to finish the process. Is it a separate devotion that anyone can do or just SSPX members?

A third order is considered part of the community. It is not a seperate devotion that anyone can do. For example a person who is a third order Franciscan cannot become a third order Carmelite.

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #33 on:** January 01, 2014, 10:06:44 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: Wessex
In spite of all the resources thrown at any legalised religious entity by naive supporters, the recipients of such undeserved largesse will quickly distance themselves from the actions of the faithful when the going gets tough and hide behind legal phraseology. Bearing in mind the SSPX at one time would when it had influential support manufacture the bullets for others to fire, it has now forsworn militancy for the benefits of getting along in society. Ergo, the expulsion of militants and sermons against their 'sinful' activism.

Trustworthiness and the Society are not happy bedfellows. There is now no reason to keep attending unless one's feet are not connected to one's brain. As regards the notorious fence-sitter, Fr. Morgan, his London congregation is not so large as to claim ignorance of the Krah whistle-blowing. With such a wonderful career ahead of him in the new Society, he is obviously capable of throwing all his congregation under the bus of ambition and progress. In times of great official delinquency and irregularity, these clerics must work hard to gain the trust of the faithful because it will not be automatic. If this does not work, they can always try the 'soul damning' route!

The resistance in London must be doing something right when they featured in Searchlies.

http://searchlightmagazine.com/archive/neo-nαzιs-the-catholic-church-and-council-property

Is this the article? So full of innuendo, smear and little else.

Tiffany · « **Reply #34 on:** January 01, 2014, 11:44:20 AM »

We shouldn't be mocking the situation.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #35 on:** January 01, 2014, 12:20:43 PM »

Oh I'm not mocking it. I'm observing the reaction of the people that were called out for supporting the Resistance, and taking note of the courageous response. I could easily have been in this situation if I were a member of the SSPX through their third order, which I never ended up doing. So the last thing I would do would be to mock them.

John Grace · « **Reply #36 on:** January 01, 2014, 01:46:30 PM »

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Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Wessex
In spite of all the resources thrown at any legalised religious entity by naive supporters, the recipients of such undeserved largesse will quickly distance themselves from the actions of the faithful when the going gets tough and hide behind legal phraseology. Bearing in mind the SSPX at one time would when it had influential support manufacture the bullets for others to fire, it has now forsworn militancy for the benefits of getting along in society. Ergo, the expulsion of militants and sermons against their 'sinful' activism.

Trustworthiness and the Society are not happy bedfellows. There is now no reason to keep attending unless one's feet are not connected to one's brain. As regards the notorious fence-sitter, Fr. Morgan, his London congregation is not so large as to claim ignorance of the Krah whistle-blowing. With such a wonderful career ahead of him in the new Society, he is obviously capable of throwing all his congregation under the bus of ambition and progress. In times of great official delinquency and irregularity, these clerics must work hard to gain the trust of the faithful because it will not be automatic. If this does not work, they can always try the 'soul damning' route!

The resistance in London must be doing something right when they featured in Searchlies.

http://searchlightmagazine.com/archive/neo-nαzιs-the-catholic-church-and-council-property

Is this the article? So full of innuendo, smear and little else.

Indeed. I shall be a guest of the London Forum in the near future.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #37 on:** January 01, 2014, 05:30:06 PM »

It's like this: Bp Fellay ( and all the leaders of the SSPX ) warned Bp Rifan in Campos not to sign a practical agreement w/Modernist Rome...10 yrs later when truly faithful priests/bishops of the SSPX gave Bp Fellay the same warning he went ballistic...Incidentally, Bp fellay ( then ) was right to warn Bp Rifan based on the results..The fact that bp Fellay ignored those results can only be because he was blinded by Jaidhofer Found $$$ courtesy of that son of тαℓмυdia Max Krah..Pride and filthy lucre..that and sensuality are the weaknesses of all human beings..Pray for Bp Fellay's return to Traditional Catholic militancy and integrity and that he may shed bad associations...that he may re-embrace his true friends and ban the enemy fm any/all influence over him.

Sigismund · « **Reply #38 on:** January 01, 2014, 05:44:01 PM »

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Anyone who posts on here risks being found out by their SSPX priest in the end.
Myself, I dont care, because I only just started going to the SSPX and am not interested in the fight between the SSPX and the "Resistance".
If the SSPX let me, I will join their monastery in new mexico. That is all I want. I want a fortress in which to live where I can discipline myself unto perfection and become master of myself. It is my dream for some time that I become a monk who undertakes this task. Sorry for making a personal comment referring myself, but I don't want to be banned from mass or SSPX religious orders. I also dont think the SSPX is about to go down the road of modernism, as some on here think, but then again I dont know what goes on behind the scenes.

The SSPX people around here already know who I am. I already told Fr. Rostand that I posted on Cathinfo. There's nothing he can do about it. He says it's a sin to do it, I say it's not. I guess we're at an impasse. Fr. Themann knows I post here, too. He even was "concerned" enough to ask my parents if I "still spends lots of time on the internet?" (lol really, and I don't even live with my parents.)

I'm irrelevant. I'm just someone that won't compromise, and since I don't trust the SSPX, I'm actually taking Fr. Rostand's advice and not receiving the sacraments from them.

It is a bit rich for a priest who lacks anything even approximating ordinary jurisdiction to thing he can bind your conscience about an internet site.

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #39 on:** January 02, 2014, 02:32:38 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: stbrighidswell
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Wessex
In spite of all the resources thrown at any legalised religious entity by naive supporters, the recipients of such undeserved largesse will quickly distance themselves from the actions of the faithful when the going gets tough and hide behind legal phraseology. Bearing in mind the SSPX at one time would when it had influential support manufacture the bullets for others to fire, it has now forsworn militancy for the benefits of getting along in society. Ergo, the expulsion of militants and sermons against their 'sinful' activism.

Trustworthiness and the Society are not happy bedfellows. There is now no reason to keep attending unless one's feet are not connected to one's brain. As regards the notorious fence-sitter, Fr. Morgan, his London congregation is not so large as to claim ignorance of the Krah whistle-blowing. With such a wonderful career ahead of him in the new Society, he is obviously capable of throwing all his congregation under the bus of ambition and progress. In times of great official delinquency and irregularity, these clerics must work hard to gain the trust of the faithful because it will not be automatic. If this does not work, they can always try the 'soul damning' route!

The resistance in London must be doing something right when they featured in Searchlies.

http://searchlightmagazine.com/archive/neo-nαzιs-the-catholic-church-and-council-property

Is this the article? So full of innuendo, smear and little else.

Indeed. I shall be a guest of the London Forum in the near future.

If you do wear it as a badge of honour :applause:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #40 on:** January 02, 2014, 03:00:37 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Question 1:

How can any particular activity, such as helping someone who you believe is doing good, be a "compatible apostolate" (or in the contrary form, NOT a compatible apostolate) for anyone in general (or for a third order member in particular)?

Question 2:

What, specifically, is the principle error or problem with the Resistance with which Fr. Wegner has some undefined problem? Is anyone willing to commit to the record what it is that seems to be amiss?

Question 3:

Before answering "obedience" to Question 2, let me be clear: what specifically is the ostensibly legitimate command by which such 'obedience' is claimed necessary? Upon what principle is the command founded?

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #41 on:** January 02, 2014, 03:21:45 AM »

.

Okay, I confess......

Quote from: parentsfortruth

This just got even more interesting... ha!

After seeing this additional popcorn smiley, I had to run right out and buy some microwave popcorn because even though I know it's not healthy to eat it, I can't stand the suspense of waiting for more than three minutes for the stuff to pop.

That being said, I find it noteworthy that "Mr. and Mrs. _______" are from Canada.
But guess how I could tell?

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #42 on:** January 02, 2014, 04:22:49 AM »

Quote from: PV

Quote from: dt
Forgive my ignorance, but do SSPX priests have authority over the third order?

Yes, depending upon how the Third Order was set up by the FSSPX.

That being said, it is the third order of the FSSPX. Not the Franciscans, Dominicans, or MICM. So yes, the FSSPX Third Order is subject to the FSSPX.

It's really odd that PV would think dragging the MICM into this is cute or whatever.

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Is it wrong for the lay people to be kicked out for supporting the resistance and why?

I think the bigger question is (and here I agree with Fr. Rusak): Why would any member of the Resistance wish to be part of the FSSPX Third Order?

Well, gosh, let's see: Why would any seminarian with Zionist preferences and Liberal passions want to enter the SSPX seminary and become Bursar for ABL, never do any pastoral work, worm his way into the Capitulant satatus, and get elected SG, if he wasn't a mole to begin with?

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It just does not make sense.

PV conveniently forgot about the mole option.

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As part of the Resistance, one is resisting Mgr. Fellay's leadership of the FSSPX. As a Third Order member of the FSSPX, one is seeking to place oneself spiritually under the FSSPX currently led by Mgr. Fellay.

Have you ever heard of a double agent? I guess not. Next!

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Would it not make more sense for someone in this situation to become a Third Order member of the Resistance?

Did you forget again about the .............................. oh, never mind.

(Pardon the engineering lingo)

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1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #43 on:** January 02, 2014, 01:45:06 PM »

I think this couple deserve a round of applause for showing that they will not be cowed by these bullies.

:applause: