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Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2022, 10:41:06 AM »
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  • As far as Putin goes, it is fairly obvious that the Synogogue of Satan wants to completely smear and discredit Putin by claiming he is one of their own.  In doing this they want him to lose the support of those Christians who are disgusted with the degenerate West and are hoping that there is a greater sense of Christian decency and sanity being preserved in Holy Mother Russia.
    No more Holy Mother Church; now it's "Holy Mother Russia." 

    "Mother Russia" would at least make sense if someone is Russian, though not so much to a foreigner. Yet Holy? When did Catholics deify the State, and hostile schismatic (at best) ones at that?
    If the world is against the Truth, then I am against the World. - St. Athanasius
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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #121 on: December 13, 2022, 10:45:25 AM »
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  • Holy Mother Russia.

    This is just pure Russian propaganda. It should never be coming from someone professing to be a Catholic.


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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #122 on: December 13, 2022, 11:03:10 AM »
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  • No more Holy Mother Church; now it's "Holy Mother Russia."

    "Mother Russia" would at least make sense if someone is Russian, though not so much to a foreigner. Yet Holy? When did Catholics deify the State, and hostile schismatic (at best) ones at that?
    It's simply a very old time honored phrase.  And no, people who use it are not necessarily trying to "deify the State," least of all myself.

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #123 on: December 13, 2022, 11:16:37 AM »
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  • This is just pure Russian propaganda. It should never be coming from someone professing to be a Catholic.
    I'm sorry that you see fit to simply dismiss this phrase as "pure Russian propaganda" and to even go so far as to say, "It should never be coming from someone professing to be a Catholic."  (I'm a Catholic who would like to see the masonic Statue of Liberty immediately replaced with a glorious statue of goodness, truth, and beauty -- one of the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary.)


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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #124 on: December 13, 2022, 11:26:03 AM »
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  • Charity,

    You have wasted a lot of disk space showing off your propagandized mind. As Marius pointed out, "Mother Russia" is what you might rightly refer to as a common ethnic expression. "Holy Russia" or "Holy Mother Russia" might have referred to "White" or "Bright" originally, but after the Fall of Constantinople took on religious connotations with the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome.

    So no, it is not an innocent pro-Russian phrase, but one that has been explicitly formed to deny the orthodoxy of Rome and the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff. A Catholic has no business using the language of Russian Orthodox schismatics. If you are ignorant of this fact, I encourage you to educate yourself and retract, but otherwise it shows how badly you are attempting to deceive others by pretending at its innocence.


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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #125 on: December 13, 2022, 11:56:50 AM »
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  • Charity,

    You have wasted a lot of disk space showing off your propagandized mind. As Marius pointed out, "Mother Russia" is what you might rightly refer to as a common ethnic expression. "Holy Russia" or "Holy Mother Russia" might have referred to "White" or "Bright" originally, but after the Fall of Constantinople took on religious connotations with the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome.

    So no, it is not an innocent pro-Russian phrase, but one that has been explicitly formed to deny the orthodoxy of Rome and the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff. A Catholic has no business using the language of Russian Orthodox schismatics. If you are ignorant of this fact, I encourage you to educate yourself and retract, but otherwise it shows how badly you are attempting to deceive others by pretending at its innocence.

    I disagree with you in trying to turn the phrase "Holy Mother Russia" into an all 100% black or white issue.  It's not quite as simple as that.  A holy mother (other than the Blessed Virgin Mary) can still carry a lot of defects in her.  Who among us individually or as a nation is perfect?

    One day, Russia -- like a good holy mother might just carry out God's holy will to carry out a holy and just chastising of the West and perhaps the whole world.  Of course, if that is ever done it would be an extreme case of its own self-inflicted and holy and righteous chastisement as well!

    BTW, "God bless America" when said in the right way doesn't seek God's blessing of what is evil in America, although what Americans should be saying a lot more of is, "America bless God!"

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #126 on: December 13, 2022, 12:03:42 PM »
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  • I disagree with you in trying to turn the phrase "Holy Mother Russia" into an all 100% black or white issue.
    I think you are still missing that it is a phrase laden with a particular theological meaning. Perhaps you would like to rehabilitate it, but currently it means something very different from what you desire from it. You might as well be saying "Roman Catholicism is false" every time you write it. You posted some images, so here's one for you to consider:


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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #127 on: December 13, 2022, 12:06:02 PM »
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  • It's simply a very old time honored phrase.  And no, people who use it are not necessarily trying to "deify the State," least of all myself.
    From a secular dictionary: Holy
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    holy
    adjective
    ho·ly ˈhō-lē 


    holier; holiest
    1
    : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness

    2
    : divine
    for the Lord our God is holy

      Psalms 99:9 (King James Version)


    3
    : devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity
    a holy temple
    holy prophets


    4
    a
    : having a divine quality
    holy love

    b
    : venerated as or as if sacred
    holy scripture
    a holy relic


    5



    —used as an intensive
    this is a holy messhe was a holy terror when he drank

      Thomas Wolfe


    —often used in combination as a mild oath
    holy smoke

    Holiness being one of the four marks of the Church, to ascribe it to a false sect is to implicitly deny the claim of the Catholic Church being the True Church of Christ. I do not believe you are doing so intentionally, but its usage has religious connotations. The Tsars controlled the Schismatic sects and thus had a further interest in propagating the phrase in support of their own power, in contrast to Catholic monarchs who derived their Crowns from the Pope's Divine authority until Napoleon inverted the process 1000 years after Charlemange. So the Holy Roman Empire was not setting up a claim in opposition to the Church's, but deriving its professed Holiness from it,  in contrast to the Photians and Tsars.
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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #128 on: December 13, 2022, 12:12:47 PM »
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  • One day, Russia -- like a good holy mother might just carry out God's holy will to carry out a holy and just chastising of the West and perhaps the whole world.  Of course, if that is ever done it would be an extreme case of its own self-inflicted and holy and righteous chastisement as well!
    It is important to keep in mind the instruments of Divine Providence used for chastisement are by no means required or even often Holy or Righteous. The French Revolution was a chastisement, but I doubt anyone would dare call it Holy, to say nothing of the OT replete with examples of God using very unholy and evil instruments to chastise the ancient Israelites.
    If the world is against the Truth, then I am against the World. - St. Athanasius
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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #129 on: December 13, 2022, 12:13:46 PM »
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  • I disagree with you in trying to turn the phrase "Holy Mother Russia" into an all 100% black or white issue.  It's not quite as simple as that.  A holy mother (other than the Blessed Virgin Mary) can still carry a lot of defects in her.  Who among us individually or as a nation is perfect?

    One day, Russia -- like a good holy mother might just carry out God's holy will to carry out a holy and just chastising of the West and perhaps the whole world.  Of course, if that is ever done it would be an extreme case of its own self-inflicted and holy and righteous chastisement as well!

    BTW, "God bless America" when said in the right way doesn't seek God's blessing of what is evil in America, although what Americans should be saying a lot more of is, "America bless God!"

    I think I understand what you're saying Charity. I don't think that you mean anything negative or anti-Catholic. Although we have to remember that the Eastern Orthodox are schismatics, at least it can be said that the Russians weren't destroyed by communism, and that's saying something. Those who still practice Eastern Orthodoxy do seem to have a devotion to Our lady. That's more than can be said for our God-forsaken United States government. I love my country, but it's been taken over by Godless men and women who have no interest in Our Lord and Our Lady. God help us if the communists (or rather kabbalist freemasons) completely take over. I'm not sure that this country will survive it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #130 on: December 13, 2022, 12:30:40 PM »
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  • ... at least it can be said that the Russians weren't destroyed by communism, and that's saying something. Those who still practice Eastern Orthodoxy do seem to have a devotion to Our lady.
    You are stubborn in your adherence to this belief, but the numbers don't add up to support it. Russians were and are absolutely destroyed (morally) by Communism. Until it starting declining (officially) ten years ago, Russia had more than double the abortion rate of the Western countries, but even this improvement is still higher than most other countries in the world. Vice in Russia has been at unusual levels since the time of the Bolsheviks in Russia when all morality was cast aside and freedom to sin was enshrined into law. The Russian peoples have been laid low and should receive your prayers for regeneration, not your admiration for their errors.

    God help us if the communists (or rather kabbalist freemasons) completely take over. I'm not sure that this country will survive it.
    They will succeed. If nothing changes drastically and God does not intervene, the course is set. Conservatives are blinded and useless between Trump/Q-Anon and self-hating support of Russia/China. Republicans are aiding the Democrats. The Democrats are pretending to help Ukraine, but pocketing the cash and sending it to their Marxist allies. The anti-Western forces are building up for the attack. Etc.

    Even if TPTB fail to fully establish global governance with World War III, the world will be left in ruins and likely billions will have died. Their goal to finish off the West will succeed, if only temporarily. If this is not the time of Antichrist, it will be an opportunity for great saints to appear in order to re-establish Europe.


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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #131 on: December 13, 2022, 12:47:29 PM »
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  • You are stubborn in your adherence to this belief, but the numbers don't add up to support it. Russians were and are absolutely destroyed (morally) by Communism. Until it starting declining (officially) ten years ago, Russia had more than double the abortion rate of the Western countries, but even this improvement is still higher than most other countries in the world. Vice in Russia has been at unusual levels since the time of the Bolsheviks in Russia when all morality was cast aside and freedom to sin was enshrined into law. The Russian peoples have been laid low and should receive your prayers for regeneration, not your admiration for their errors.
    They will succeed. If nothing changes drastically and God does not intervene, the course is set. Conservatives are blinded and useless between Trump/Q-Anon and self-hating support of Russia/China. Republicans are aiding the Democrats. The Democrats are pretending to help Ukraine, but pocketing the cash and sending it to their Marxist allies. The anti-Western forces are building up for the attack. Putin's recent public statements (no MAD for nuclear doctrine) show only a continued escalation to World War III.

    Even if TPTB fail to fully establish global governance with World War III, the world will be left in ruins and likely billions will have died. Their goal to finish off the West will succeed, if only temporarily. If this is not the time of Antichrist, it will be an opportunity for great saints to appear in order to re-establish Europe.

    I never said I have admiration for the Russians. That's your big mistake. It's all or nothing for you. You can't believe that anyone could have any sympathy for our supposed "enemies." I seriously doubt that you would ever pray for Russia or Russians, since to you seem to believe that they are evil beyond compare. How much time do you spend warning against the evil Russians, and Russian government and Putin? A great deal of time, as far as I can tell. Perhaps you should spend more time in reality, rather than on the internet, which isn't real life. It can never substitute for real life. Spending too much time on the internet can cause us to become more machine-like, and forgetful of how to be human. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #132 on: December 13, 2022, 01:02:44 PM »
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  • I never said I have admiration for the Russians.
    You probably don't realize it yourself.

    That's your big mistake. It's all or nothing for you.
    This isn't true and the pro-Russian opinion on CathInfo has been far less forgiving---in my opinion---than those promoting Perestroika Deception. There are people supporting the Postwar West mistakenly believing that Biden is representing American interests. There are also conservatives that mistakenly believe that Russia and Putin are actually causing setbacks to global governance. Both sides have people who mean well, but who are ultimately missing the big picture.

    I seriously doubt that you would ever pray for Russia or Russians, since to you seem to believe that they are evil beyond compare.
    This borders ("doubt") on calumny, but I can confidently tell you that I pray for Ukraine and Russia every night. I also pray for Ladislaus here on the forum after our long argumentation. This is a bad argument for you to attempt on anyone, not just me. The Russian peoples' government is captured---like us in the West---by evil forces that seek to bend the world to an Antichristian system.

    Perhaps you should spend more time in reality, rather than on the internet, which isn't real life.
    You first. Check out your own Profile statistics sometime.

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #133 on: December 13, 2022, 01:12:38 PM »
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  • You probably don't realize it yourself.
    This isn't true and the pro-Russian opinion on CathInfo has been far less forgiving---in my opinion---than those promoting Perestroika Deception. There are people supporting the Postwar West mistakenly believing that Biden is representing American interests. There are also conservatives that mistakenly believe that Russia and Putin are actually causing setbacks to global governance. Both sides have people who mean well, but who are ultimately missing the big picture.
    This borders ("doubt") on calumny, but I can confidently tell you that I pray for Ukraine and Russia every night. I also pray for Ladislaus here on the forum after our long argumentation. This is a bad argument for you to attempt on anyone, not just me. The Russian peoples' government is captured---like us in the West---by evil forces that seek to bend the world to an Antichristian system.
    You first. Check out your own Profile statistics sometime.

    But it's not the U.S. that you are concerned about. Only Russia. Why is that? There must be a reason why you focus almost solely on Russia. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022
    « Reply #134 on: December 13, 2022, 01:22:43 PM »
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  • But it's not the U.S. that you are concerned about. Only Russia. Why is that? There must be a reason why you focus almost solely on Russia.
    It should be obvious that it is less necessary to write about Biden and friends, since we all know the truth about it. Contrary to your post, I often do post about it anyway, but it is more necessary to post about Perestroika Deception and you likely see those the most. This post of yours relies on a bad argument often used by those on the pro-Russian side when backed in a corner. Try something else.