Author Topic: Sean Johnson interviews Bp. Williamson in Kansas, Nov 2022 (Read 13608 times)

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #75 on:** November 21, 2022, 12:42:31 AM »

Quote from: de Lugo on November 19, 2022, 12:00:02 PM

You are asking me to detract publicly? Shame on you. There are a few here who know my identity, and they know I do not lie (for the same reason I do not detract). His identity (and the story I have recounted) are quite well known in Fraternity clerical circles.

Noblesse oblige!

De Lugo, I am surprised by this reply.

How can it be detraction to reveal the identity of a member of the Fraternity who took such a public stance in regard to a watershed event for the Catholic Church, "operation survival", no less? If I were in possession of such knowledge, I would consider it a matter of importance to make it known to others, especially given this cleric is now in a position of influence. Unless there are particular circuмstances that I am currently struggling to imagine...

Our Lord said "He who is not with Me is against Me". This seminarian was not with Archbishop Lefebvre in operation survival. Ergo... Now he is a major superior in the SSPX. This should be kept hidden???

Thank you for all the intelligent and informative posts. Good to have a true 'Resistant' step into the breach to replace Sean Johnson.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #76 on:** November 21, 2022, 12:50:43 AM »

Part 4

At the 16 minute mark, His Excellency states:

"What I have seen over several years is one speech after another of reasonableness and common sense from Putin. A true statesman defending his own country, but by defending his own country defending the interests of the entire world."

Sean would please share this interview with Putin with His Excellency?

It's very important to know that Putin thinks that the destruction of churches and eradication of priests brought forth what he believes is a
new religon: communism!

Russian President Vladimir Putin is comparing Vladimir Lenin to a saint. Putin also says communism is biblical. Putin told a state-funded TV station communist ideology is very similar to Christianity. He said the ideas of freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice are all part of biblical teachings. Putin went on to assert that those biblical ideals were the code of the Lenin whose Bolshevik revolution contributed to building communism.

3:24
https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-01-16-vladimir-putin-says-communism-like-christianity/

This interview was televised on Russia 1 television.

It was translated and reported on by the Moscow Times, Newsweek, RT, Asianews and more.

From RT:

Putin: Communist ideology similar to Christianity, Lenin’s body like saintly relics

Putin: Communist ideology similar to Christianity, Lenin’s body like saintly relics

© Vladmir Vyatkin © Sputnik
Russian President Vladimir Putin has likened communism to Christianity and Vladimir Lenin’s mausoleum in Moscow’s Red Square to the veneration of the relics of saints.

“Maybe I’ll say something that someone might dislike, but that’s the way I see it,” Putin said in an interview for the docuмentary Valaam, an excerpt of which was broadcast on Russia 1. “First of all, faith has always accompanied us, becoming stronger every time our country, our people, have been through hard times.

“There were those years of militant atheism when priests were eradicated, churches destroyed, but at the same time a new religion was being created. Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity, in fact:

freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice

– everything is laid out in the Holy Scripture, it’s all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented.”

(Putin is saying the motto of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ comes from the Bible!)

From marxists.org:

Inscribed on the folds of the flag of Masonry is the noble motto:

LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY, SOLIDARITY.

Masonry preaches peace among men, and in the name of humanity proclaims the inviolability of human life.)

https://www.marxists.org/history/france/paris-commune/docuмents/freemasons.htm#:~:text=Inscribed%20on%20the%20folds%20of,the%20inviolability%20of%20human%20life.

Read more
Revolutionary corpse: Why and how Russia still preserves Lenin in its heart

Putin went further by comparing the Communists’ attitude to the Bolshevik leader Lenin to the veneration of saints in Christianity. “Look, Lenin was put in a mausoleum. How is this different from the relics of saints for Orthodox Christians and just for Christians? When they say that there’s no such tradition in Christianity, well, how come, go to Athos and take a look, there are relics of the saints there, and we have holy relics here,” Putin concluded.

After Lenin died in 1924, his body was embalmed and put on display in a mausoleum in Red Square, Moscow. The cult of Lenin was part of Soviet ideology. The public debate about the possibility of giving Lenin’s remains a proper burial began during the early days of Perestroika in the 1980s.

Putin’s words were music to the ears of Communist Party members. “I think these words of the president very effectively and reasonably smooth out the acute angles around the theme of the mausoleum,” Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Ivan Melnikov said on Sunday, as cited by Interfax.

He said however, that “communists and all the leftist patriotic forces [in Russia] understand that communism is close to Christianity as much as the form of capitalism that exists in our country and our economy today is far from Christianity.”
Earlier this year, Gennadiy Zyuganov, the head of the Russian Communist Party, said Putin had promised him that as long as he remains president, Lenin’s body would remain in the mausoleum in Red Square.

READ MORE: Putin promised to keep Lenin’s body in Moscow mausoleum, communists say

“As long as I sit here, there will be no barbarism in Red Square,” the Communist chief quoted Putin as saying at a conference with Russian party leaders.

According to Zyuganov, Putin also dismissed allegations that Lenin was not buried in accordance with Christian traditions. “As far as the form of the burial is concerned, they used the one that is also used in Orthodox Christianity – he lies a meter and a half below the ground level. Sepultures and cave burials have been known for a long time,” Putin said, according to Zyuganov.

https://www.rt.com/news/415883-putin-communist-ideology-christianity/

It would be great if somebody could share this with Vigano as well!

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #77 on:** November 21, 2022, 01:05:36 AM »

And because His Excellency is a strong advocate for free speech and setting the record straight about what happened in WWII, would you please share this:

Putin’s Memory Laws Set the Stage for His War in Ukraine

By Francine Hirsch
Monday, February 28, 2022, 5:09 PM

Two days before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian State Duma introduced a bill attaching fines and prison sentences to a 2021 law banning “any public attempt to equate the aims and actions of the Soviet Union and nαzι Germany during World War II, as well as to deny the decisive role of the Soviet people in the victory over fascism.” What does this bill have to do with the invasion of Ukraine? In short, everything. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s rewriting of the history of World War II has set the stage for his war in Ukraine...

...Putin has already cemented the memory of the Second World War as a cornerstone of Russian state ideology. The addition of fines and prison sentences to Russia’s memory law is the culmination of a decade-long effort to impose total control over how the war is talked about and remembered. One of the bill’s co-authors, Alexei Pushkov, has described the memory law as “a moral imperative.” One of its stated aims is to prevent people from “insulting the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland.”

https://www.lawfareblog.com/putins-memory-laws-set-stage-his-war-ukraine

Incredulous · « **Reply #78 on:** November 21, 2022, 02:06:49 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 20, 2022, 11:15:06 PM

... this is nothing pure speculation, including some amazing discernment of the internal forum, yet arrogantly presented as fact.

Just coincidentally, he’s the figurehead of a country controlled by the Jєωs, nonstop since 1917.

He wears a yarmulke, hangs-out with rabbis, recites тαℓмυdic verse and his mom was a docuмented Jєωess.

But to Lads, such speculation about Putin’s crypto-Jєωness is calumny.

Our Lord said the truth will set you free, except for trads in 2022.

We, have to get a truth clearance from ex-SSPX seminarian experts, like Ladislaus?

Oh when… will they set my people free? 🤦🏻‍♂️

de Lugo · « **Reply #79 on:** November 21, 2022, 04:38:42 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on November 20, 2022, 09:48:43 AM

Also, Parts 1-4 are now archived on archive.is

I see someone also uploaded them to this website (which contains all Msgr. Williamson's videos, or at least a lot of them):

https://odysee.com/@TruthUnchained:5

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #80 on:** November 22, 2022, 12:30:06 PM »

I would also want to ask Bishop Williamson about this issue:

Devotion to the Heart of Mary Will Save the World

In her Fatima message, Our Lady said that Russia would convert to the Catholic Church. Archbishop Viganò seems to think the opposite, that the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome, in other words, to schism and heresy.

That is absurd. It is shocking to see it being suggested by a Catholic bishop. Here are Archbishop Viganò’s words in full:

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An appeal to the Third Rome
The world crisis with which the dissolution of traditional society is being prepared has also involved the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is held hostage by apostates who are courtiers of power… Perhaps Providence has ordained that Moscow, the Third Rome, will today in the sight of the world take on the role of κατέχον [Katechon] (2 Thess 2:6-7), of eschatological obstacle to the Antichrist.¹³ If the errors of communism were spread by the Soviet Union, even to the point of imposing themselves within the Church, Russia and Ukraine can today have an epochal role in the restoration of Christian Civilization, contributing to bringing the world a period of peace from which the Church too will rise again purified and renewed in her Ministers.¹⁴

https://www.corrispondenzaromana.it/international-news/archbishop-viganos-attempt-to-justify-putins-war-on-ukraine-runs-counter-the-fatima-message/

Wouldn't this be considered blasphemy, heresy or apostasy?

de Lugo · « **Reply #81 on:** November 22, 2022, 12:39:34 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 22, 2022, 12:30:06 PM

I would also want to ask Bishop Williamson about this issue:

Devotion to the Heart of Mary Will Save the World

In her Fatima message, Our Lady said that Russia would convert to the Catholic Church. Archbishop Viganò seems to think the opposite, that the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome, in other words, to schism and heresy.
That is absurd. It is shocking to see it being suggested by a Catholic bishop. Here are Archbishop Viganò’s words in full:
https://www.corrispondenzaromana.it/international-news/archbishop-viganos-attempt-to-justify-putins-war-on-ukraine-runs-counter-the-fatima-message/

Would this be considered blasphemy, heresy or apostasy?

Firstly, saying "Russia will convert to the Catholic Church" is NOT the opposite of saying "the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome."

The opposite would be "Russia will NOT convert to the Catholic Church."

Moreover, the West and the Catholic Church Herself converting to the Third Rome does not preclude Russia converting to the Catholic Church.

But pretending Msgr. Vigano really was contradicting Fatima, where did you ever get the idea that opposing a private revelation was "blasphemy, heresy, or apostasy?"

Your mind is too erratic (evinced by chaotic font/formatting of your posts) to judge rightly.

You need to relax.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #82 on:** November 22, 2022, 01:35:58 PM »

Quote from: de Lugo on November 22, 2022, 12:39:34 PM

Firstly, saying "Russia will convert to the Catholic Church" is NOT the opposite of saying "the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome."

The opposite would be "Russia will NOT convert to the Catholic Church."

Moreover, the West and the Catholic Church Herself converting to the Third Rome does not preclude Russia converting to the Catholic Church.

But pretending Msgr. Vigano really was contradicting Fatima, where did you ever get the idea that opposing a private revelation was "blasphemy, heresy, or apostasy?"

Your mind is too erratic (evinced by chaotic font/formatting of your posts) to judge rightly.

You need to relax.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see where he says that Russia will convert to the Catholic Church. ??

Here is the quote again:

An appeal to the Third Rome

The world crisis with which the dissolution of traditional society is being prepared has also involved the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is held hostage by apostates who are courtiers of power… Perhaps Providence has ordained that Moscow, the Third Rome, will today in the sight of the world take on the role of κατέχον [Katechon] (2 Thess 2:6-7), of eschatological obstacle to the Antichrist.¹³ If the errors of communism were spread by the Soviet Union, even to the point of imposing themselves within the Church, Russia and Ukraine can today have an epochal role in the restoration of Christian Civilization, contributing to bringing the world a period of peace from which the Church too will rise again purified and renewed in her Ministers.¹⁴

Instead he says that "Moscow, the Third Rome" will take on the role of the Katechon.

I'm sorry, but isn't it the role of the Catholic Church to protect us from the Antichrist?

Also, does the Catholic Church officially recognize Moscow as the Third Rome?

This is from the same article:

"Indeed, the former apostolic nuncio seems to place his trust in the schismatic and heretical Russian Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, which he accepts as the “Third Rome.”

Russian schismatics consider Moscow the Third Rome and the Russian Church the true Church of Christ. According to them, the First Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire, the Holy See of Saint Peter, and the center of the Catholic Church. They claim that Catholic Rome fell into heresy and thereby lost its primacy, which passed to Byzantium, capital of the Roman Empire of the East, later Constantinople, which, they say, became the Second Rome. When this city fell to the Turks in 1453, the primacy passed to Moscow, the last and Third Rome, the center of the Russian Church, “which should inherit the prerogatives of the first and the second.”¹²"

Is the recognition of Moscow as the Third Rome a blasphemous heresy?

Is stating that this Third Rome heretical sect in Moscow could be the Katechon a heresy?

So the "blasphemy, heresy or apostasy" are not about contradicting private revelation as you say,

but about viewing a heretical sect as the Third Rome and seeing that sect as the protection against the Anti-christ which will save the Catholic Church.

Like the writer of the article I believe these are reasonable questions to ask.

As for the formatting, you may not know this but I have a disease which makes me dizzy and it's quite difficult to read and write at times. That is why I parse out phrases and highlight them.

I do my best to format things so they are easy to read but cutting and pasting articles can be difficult with the various fonts and sizes. I'm sorry they are a bother for you. I appreciate your patience and thank you for your concern about my health.

de Lugo · « **Reply #83 on:** November 22, 2022, 03:52:32 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on November 22, 2022, 01:35:58 PM

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see where he says that Russia will convert to the Catholic Church. ??

Here is the quote again:

An appeal to the Third Rome

The world crisis with which the dissolution of traditional society is being prepared has also involved the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is held hostage by apostates who are courtiers of power… Perhaps Providence has ordained that Moscow, the Third Rome, will today in the sight of the world take on the role of κατέχον [Katechon] (2 Thess 2:6-7), of eschatological obstacle to the Antichrist.¹³ If the errors of communism were spread by the Soviet Union, even to the point of imposing themselves within the Church, Russia and Ukraine can today have an epochal role in the restoration of Christian Civilization, contributing to bringing the world a period of peace from which the Church too will rise again purified and renewed in her Ministers.¹⁴

Instead he says that "Moscow, the Third Rome" will take on the role of the Katechon.

I'm sorry, but isn't it the role of the Catholic Church to protect us from the Antichrist?

Also, does the Catholic Church officially recognize Moscow as the Third Rome?

This is from the same article:

"Indeed, the former apostolic nuncio seems to place his trust in the schismatic and heretical Russian Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, which he accepts as the “Third Rome.”

Russian schismatics consider Moscow the Third Rome and the Russian Church the true Church of Christ. According to them, the First Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire, the Holy See of Saint Peter, and the center of the Catholic Church. They claim that Catholic Rome fell into heresy and thereby lost its primacy, which passed to Byzantium, capital of the Roman Empire of the East, later Constantinople, which, they say, became the Second Rome. When this city fell to the Turks in 1453, the primacy passed to Moscow, the last and Third Rome, the center of the Russian Church, “which should inherit the prerogatives of the first and the second.”¹²"

Is the recognition of Moscow as the Third Rome a blasphemous heresy?

Is stating that this Third Rome heretical sect in Moscow could be the Katechon a heresy?

So the "blasphemy, heresy or apostasy" are not about contradicting private revelation as you say,

but about viewing a heretical sect as the Third Rome and seeing that sect as the protection against the Anti-christ which will save the Catholic Church.

Like the writer of the article I believe these are reasonable questions to ask.

As for the formatting, you may not know this but I have a disease which makes me dizzy and it's quite difficult to read and write at times. That is why I parse out phrases and highlight them.

I do my best to format things so they are easy to read but cutting and pasting articles can be difficult with the various fonts and sizes. I'm sorry they are a bother for you. I appreciate your patience and thank you for your concern about my health.

Firstly, apologies on the font/formatting comment. I did not know it was caused by a physical malady.

Secondly, yes, Russia is clearly the Katechon (or do you think it is Francis?). and that term refers not to protecting us from Antichrist, but to holding back his advent.

Thirdly, you said, "In her Fatima message, Our Lady said that Russia would convert to the Catholic Church. Archbishop Viganò seems to think the opposite, that the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome, in other words, to schism and heresy." My comment to this was that:

A) The two things you contrast are not opposites, and

B) Pretending Msgr. Vigano opposed Fatima (a ridiculous claim), it would be neither blasphemy, heresy, or apostasy to reject a private revelation.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #84 on:** November 22, 2022, 05:37:55 PM »

Quote from: de Lugo on November 22, 2022, 03:52:32 PM

Firstly, apologies on the font/formatting comment. I did not know it was caused by a physical malady.

Of course. No worries. I'm sorry my formatting is such an eye-sore!

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Secondly, yes, Russia is clearly the Katechon (or do you think it is Francis?). and that term refers not to protecting us from Antichrist, but to holding back his advent.

Are my only choices Russia or Francis?

A heretical sect or a heretical anti-pope?

That's a false dichotomy.

Are you implying there is no longer a Catholic Church?

What makes you think that Russia is CLEARLY the Katechon?

Catholics are not allowed to worship freely

and only one percent of the country attend Russian Orthodox services.

Putin believes that Christianity and Communism are the same thing

that Freemason ideals come from the Bible

and Lenin's body is just like Christian relics,

but Patriarch Kirill has made him the country's "chief exorcist". :jester: title=jester

Patriarch Kirill is a billionaire from cigarette imports

who said that human rights are a new heresy!

And both Kirill and Putin are KGB agents.

(I'll post evidence for these statements in a following post.)

English Wikipedia has an article on:

katechon

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Etymology[edit]
Borrowed from Ancient Greek κατέχον (katékhon, “that which withholds”) or Ancient Greek κατέχων (katékhōn, “the one who withholds”).

(theology) Someone or something (of disputed identity) whose removal is necessary before the Antichrist can be fully manifested, according to 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 in the Bible.

Russia is the Katechon?

A heretical sect has to be removed before the Antichrist can be fully manifested?

Or if you prefer, a heretical sect is delaying his advent?

Isn't that a blasphemous and heretical thing to say?

Wouldn't that have to be the Catholic Church instead?

Is the Catholic Church not the one true Church?

Are you or Vigano saying it isn't?

Quote

Thirdly, you said, "In her Fatima message, Our Lady said that Russia would convert to the Catholic Church. Archbishop Viganò seems to think the opposite, that the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome, in other words, to schism and heresy." My comment to this was that:

A) The two things you contrast are not opposites, and

Quote

B) Pretending Msgr. Vigano opposed Fatima (a ridiculous claim), it would be neither blasphemy, heresy, or apostasy to reject a private revelation.

Yes, the statements about the Fatima message are part of the excerpt from the article in prelude to Vigano's quote. Those are the author's views.

My question about blasphemy, heresy and apostasy was referring to Vigano's statements that

1. Moscow is the Third Rome

2. Is the Katechon to the Antichrist.

I tried to make that clarification in my response to you.

Do you have an answer to my questions?

1. Does the Catholic Church recognize Moscow as the Third Rome?

2. Can a Catholic prelate recognize Moscow as the Third Rome?

3. Isn't it heresy, blasphemy, or apostasy to say such a thing?

4. And saying a heretical sect is the Katechon...

isn't that heresy, blasphemy or apostasy?

NIFH · « **Reply #85 on:** November 22, 2022, 06:11:23 PM »

Fatima is not a private revelation.

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/respectful-correction/

Yeti · « **Reply #86 on:** November 22, 2022, 06:15:09 PM »

Quote from: NIFH on November 22, 2022, 06:11:23 PM

Fatima is not a private revelation.

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/respectful-correction/

.

Incredulous · « **Reply #87 on:** November 23, 2022, 02:07:42 PM »

An appeal to the Third Rome

The world crisis with which the dissolution of traditional society is being prepared has also involved the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is held hostage by apostates who are courtiers of power… Perhaps Providence has ordained that Moscow, the Third Rome, will today in the sight of the world take on the role of κατέχον [Katechon] (2 Thess 2:6-7), of eschatological obstacle to the Antichrist.¹³ If the errors of communism were spread by the Soviet Union, even to the point of imposing themselves within the Church, Russia and Ukraine can today have an epochal role in the restoration of Christian Civilization, contributing to bringing the world a period of peace from which the Church too will rise again purified and renewed
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"Indeed, the former apostolic nuncio seems to place his trust in the schismatic and heretical Russian Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, which he accepts as the “Third Rome.”

Russian schismatics consider Moscow the Third Rome and the Russian Church the true Church of Christ. According to them, the First Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire, the Holy See of Saint Peter, and the center of the Catholic Church. They claim that Catholic Rome fell into heresy and thereby lost its primacy, which passed to Byzantium, capital of the Roman Empire of the East, later Constantinople, which, they say, became the Second Rome. When this city fell to the Turks in 1453, the primacy passed to Moscow, the last and Third Rome, the center of the Russian Church, “which should inherit the prerogatives of the first and the second.”¹²"
————————————————
Good observations MP.

The Novus ordo Archbishop is speaking cryptically, apparently in prophetic terms, but repeating his political theme that Putin is battling the NWO.

And the Church Hierarchy is not held hostage by apostates, the Hierarchy since 1958 has been hijacked and mired in an ever deeper schism, run by the Jєωs.

We continually pray for Russia’s conversion and however it happens, it will be dramatic. And every Jєω and clerical Freemason will flee, knowing their time is over.

dxcat40 · « **Reply #88 on:** November 23, 2022, 02:22:53 PM »

Quote from: de Lugo on November 22, 2022, 03:52:32 PM

Secondly, yes, Russia is clearly the Katechon (or do you think it is Francis?). and that term refers not to protecting us from Antichrist, but to holding back his advent.

What grand insight we have here on CathInfo! You can make a better case that the neo-Soviet Empire will be the seat of Antichrist, not what holds him back. Does brutal and Antichristian Communist China make up a part of the Katechon as Russia's ally? Hilarity!

De Lugo, you live in France, don't you? Many in America will probably die ignorant, but there's a good chance you will get to learn the truth first hand. God help you on that day. I can't downvote you any further, so allow this to suffice (unless someone cares to lend a hand):

andy · « **Reply #89 on:** November 29, 2022, 08:28:32 PM »

How ++Williamson entered USA without a jab?

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