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  • A Catechetical Refutation :
    (Regarding Certain Objections Made to Bishop Williamson’s Comments on the Novus Ordo)

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    Sean Johnson
    5-1-16

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  • A Catechetical Refutation :
    (Regarding Certain Objections Made to Bishop Williamson’s Comments on the Novus Ordo)

    By
    Sean Johnson
    5-2-16

    (Feast of St. Athanasius)

    A. Introduction:
    On June 28, 2015, Bishop Williamson gave a conference after a confirmation Mass in
    New York, in which he was asked by a lay faithful attendee whether or not it was
    permissible for her to attend the Novus Ordo Missae. 1
    A strange question, you might think, coming from an attendee of a Resistance
    confirmation/Mass/conference, until you recognize that this occasion being a
    confirmation, she was not a regular attendee, but rather a guest or relative of one of the
    confirmands.
    This woman went on to provide some additional details: That she attended the traditional
    Latin Mass on Sunday, but also attended the Novus Ordo Missae during the week; that
    the Mass was celebrated by a priest who certainly had a true faith in the Mass; that it is
    celebrated with unusual “reverence,” etc.
    Less well known, however, is the fact that the traditional Latin Mass this woman attends
    on Sunday is also celebrated by the same (bi-ritual) priest who celebrates the Novus Ordo
    Missae during the week. 2
    These additional details are important for context, insofar as they plainly evince an
    ignorance on the part of this woman regarding the doctrinal deficiencies and evils of the
    Novus Ordo Missae. I say plainly evince, because it is scarcely conceivable that she has
    been taught these things by her bi-ritual priest (i.e., Is it imaginable that he would be
    condemning from the pulpit at the traditional Latin Mass on Sunday the evils of the
    Novus Ordo Missae he was going to be celebrating on Monday?). Is it not much more
    likely that he has been explaining to his faithful non-doctrinal reasons for praying the
    Tridentine Mass (e.g., artistic beauty; historical continuity; a preference for Latin; etc),
    especially since, as a conciliar priest, he is in no position to make doctrinal criticisms of
    the Novus Ordo Missae, even if he wanted to, for fear of sanctions?In the weeks and months that have followed since June, Bishop Williamson has defended
    his response by various arguments, primarily within the pages of the weekly Eleison
    Comments, 3 while his adversaries have used these subsequent explanations as means to
    contrive new objections.
    It wasn’t until April 8, that Br. Raymund de Pennefort, T.O.P. posted a quote of the
    Archbishop taken from the recording of a spiritual conference in 1979, which fully
    vindicated and corroborated the pastoral approach taken by Bishop Williamson on June
    28:
    "I still have some considerations to make about precisely what the judgment is
    that we should make regarding those who say this New Mass and those who
    attend the New Mass. Is there not also a need to have a reasonable judgment
    which corresponds to the pastoral care that we must have regarding the souls who
    still do not realize the error that they could be committing?
    "It is not just the fact of the attendance or celebration of the New Mass. It's true
    that in many other cases where the fault is objectively grave and subjectively it is
    not because ultimately the conditions of a grave moral culpability do not exist; it
    is necessary that there is serious matter, knowledge, and full consent. We admit
    that there is serious matter (materia grave) and that there is full consent. But if
    there is no knowledge, no knowledge of the seriousness of the sin, then the person
    is not aware of the grave matter (materia grave). They do not commit a subjective
    sin.
    "They commit an objective sin, but not a subjective sin. I think that people who
    are accustomed to utter profanities or repeat blasphemies without realizing that it
    is blasphemy do not know it. They repeat what they hear in their environment,
    vulgar things to which is associated the name of God, and they are not aware of it
    -well, one can point it out. They can understand it, but then they could be
    committing an objectively serious offense but subjectively not be guilty.
    Therefore you should not judge all people. You must know how to examine each
    case. It's precisely the role of the confessor; he must examine, he must be
    informed... Sometimes, in certain cases, we might even think that it is not always
    very pastoral to point it out to some people ... If for example we are aware that
    these people, if we point out the error that they are committing, these people will
    continue to do it [attend the New Mass-translator] ... it is sometimes necessary to
    proceed prudently in order to open their eyes to tell them what to do and not
    always be harsh in the way we act regarding souls. Souls are delicate objects that
    we cannot mistreat. When we say "you commit a grave sin", "you will go to hell",
    etc., we take a chance of doing more damage to a soul by mistreating it than by
    making it understand things gently. Rather than making one understand, explain it
    to them, open their eyes about the error being committed. It is a pastoral question,I would say, but it is necessary to be a shepherd to these people as well and not
    condemn them immediately." 4
    This quotation, representing a nearly identical pastoral approach between Archbishop
    Lefebvre and Bishop Williamson, ought to end the discussion, and would seemingly pre-
    empt the need for such a work as this. And in fact it does.
    But when one kills a vampire, he not only drives a stake through his heart, he then cuts of
    his head, to be sure the monster never rises again.
    And, as at present there exists such a multiplicity of sophisms and confusion (both
    feigned and real), it seemed best to proceed with the article anyway, in an attempt to
    address as many of these concerns/objections/sophisms as possible within the limitations
    of a single article. To facilitate this objective, I decided to proceed in the form of a
    “catechetical refutation” (i.e., A progressive and cuмulative question/answer format,
    divided as well as possible by topic and subject matter).
    Having done so, the conclusions we (and you the reader) shall be obliged to reach will be
    the following:
    ? The advice Bishop Williamson gave to the woman on June 28 (as well as his
    subsequent explanations following therefrom in the Eleison Comments) contains
    no doctrinal error;
    ? Quite the contrary, Bishop Williamson’s advice to this woman (as well as his
    subsequent statements and explanations on the subject) is in perfect harmony with
    the perennial doctrine of the Church;
    ? Neither is there any rupture between the comments of Bishop Williamson and the
    traditional teachings of the SSPX or Archbishop Lefebvre on these topics;
    ? Most of the confusion on these topics has been politically motivated and
    proliferated, while on the other hand, the elevated nature of the doctrine touching
    upon moral theology, sacramental theology, scholastic philosophical definitions,
    and pastoral prudence go well beyond the education of the average layman (and
    even some priests), representing a potential source of confusion even for those of
    goodwill.
    ? That Bishop Williamson opposes the Novus Ordo Missae every bit as much in
    2016 as he (or Archbishop Lefebvre) did in 1988.
    ? That at worst, Bishop Williamson could be charged with a minor imprudence in
    choosing to tackle a complex issue publicly, which was sure to be capitalized
    upon (and distorted) by his adversaries, and misunderstood or confused by the
    simple faithful. 5Let us now move to an evaluation of these various objections.
    B. The Objections and their Refutations:
    1. “Bishop Williamson should not have withheld the truth from the woman regarding
    the evils and dangers of the new Mass.”
    Response:
    Were we watching the same conference? I count 12 distinct warnings in response to the
    woman’s question about new Mass attendance, repeated in a span of only 11.5 minutes: 6
    1:02:17 - "There's the principle and there's the practice. In practice the new Mass is a key
    part of the new religion, which is a major part of the worldwide apostasy of today."
    Conclusion: The new Mass is bad.
    1:02:34 - "Archbishop Lefebvre, in public, would say stay away. Keep away from the
    new Mass." Conclusion: The new Mass is bad.
    1:03:10 - "In certain circuмstances, like those you mentioned, exceptionally, if you're not
    going to scandalize anybody..." Conclusion: The new Mass is dangerous.
    1:03:29 - "The conclusion many of them are going to come to [i.e., people who see you
    go to the new Mass] is that the new Mass is OK." Conclusion: The new Mass is not OK
    to go to.
    1:04:35 - "The principles are clear, and the wrongness of the Novus Ordo Mass is clear."
    Conclusion: The new Mass is bad.
    1:05:00 - "The Archbishop said if you want to look after your faith, stay away from the
    new Mass." Conclusion: The new Mass is bad.
    1:08:40 - "The new religion is false, and it strangles grace." Conclusion: The new Mass is
    bad.
    1:10:30 - "But I hope its clear that I don't therefore say that the NOM or Novus Ordo
    religion are good; that's obviously not the case." Conclusion: The new Mass is bad.
    1:10:40 - "Generally, it’s a tremendous danger because the new religion is very
    seductive...and it’s very easy to go with it and lose the faith." Conclusion: The new Mass
    is bad.1:12:24 - "Stay away from the Novus Ordo, but exceptionally, if you're watching and
    praying, even there you can find the grace of God." Conclusion: The NOM is dangerous;
    stay away from the NOM.
    1:13:24 - "But it does harm in itself, there's no doubt about it." Conclusion: The Novus
    Ordo is bad.
    1:13:45 - "It’s a rite designed to undermine the Catholic faith." Conclusion: The Novus
    Ordo is bad.
    2. “Yes, but Bishop Williamson contradicts himself, because mixed in with those
    warnings and statements, he nevertheless gives the woman permission to attend the
    Novus Ordo.”
    Response:
    There is no contradiction.
    Rather, Bishop Williamson is distinguishing between the objective principle and the
    subjective application of it.
    The objective principle, outlined by all the examples above, is that nobody should attend
    the Novus Ordo. As demonstrated above, this was emphasized repeatedly in the course
    of his answer.
    But subjectively, there can be exceptions to the principle because of circuмstances (e.g.,
    extreme spiritual necessity, ignorance, etc.).
    3. “Where do you come up with this distinction between the objective principle, and
    the subjective application (especially as applied to New Mass attendance)?”
    Response:
    This is found in the Catholic science of “casuistry.”
    According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, casuistry is:
    “The application of general principles of morality to definite and concrete cases
    of human activity, for the purpose, primarily, of determining what one ought to
    do, or ought not to do, or what one may do or leave undone as one pleases; and
    for the purpose, secondarily, of deciding whether and to what extent guilt or
    immunity from guilt follows on an action already posited.” 7
    And again:“Since the special function of casuistry is to determine practically and in the
    concrete the presence or absence of a definite moral obligation, it does not fall
    within its scope to pass judgment on what would be more advisable, or on what
    may be recommended as a counsel of perfection.” 8
    And finally:
    “The necessity of casuistry and its importance are obvious. From the nature of the
    case, the general principles of any science in their concrete application give rise to
    problems which trained and expert minds only can solve. This is
    especially true regarding the application of moral principles
    and precepts to individual conduct. For, although those principles and precepts are
    in themselves generally evident, their application calls for the consideration of
    many complex factors, both objective and subjective. Only those who
    unite scientific knowledge of morality with practice in its application may be
    trusted to solve promptly and safely problems of conscience.” 9
    There can therefore be no question regarding the legitimacy of Bishop Williamson
    distinguishing between the objective principles, and their subjective application to
    individual cases.
    4. “Fine and well, but the SSPX has always taught that there are no exceptions to the
    ban on Novus Ordo Mass attendance, so I don’t see where this distinction between
    the objective principle, and its subjective application, gets you.”
    Response:
    Not so fast.
    If you reflect, for a moment, you will recognize that the writings of the SSPX and other
    traditionalist groups regarding new Mass attendance are always directed to
    traditionalists, and that, therefore, the question of exceptions for ignorance cannot arise.
    But you should not conclude from this that the SSPX, Archbishop Lefebvre, et al, would
    not excuse the ignorant (or those in necessity) from attending the Novus Ordo.
    In fact, quite the contrary, you will see that even in the most stalwart writings of Fr. Peter
    Scott (SSPX), the Avrille Dominicans, Fr. Chazal, etc., that they leave intact from their
    prohibitions on new Mass attendance the excusing justification of ignorance.
    For example, Fr. Peter Scott (while still Rector of the Holy Cross Seminary in Australia)
    made this very strong condemnation of new Mass attendance:
    “However, regardless of the gravity of the sacrilege, the New Mass still remains a
    sacrilege, and it is still in itself sinful. Furthermore, it is never permitted to
    knowing and willingly participate in an evil or sinful thing, even if it is only
    venially sinful. For the end does not justify the means. Consequently, although itis a good thing to want to assist at Mass and satisfy one’s Sunday obligation, it is
    never permitted to use a sinful means to do this. To assist at the New Mass, for a
    person who is aware of the objective sacrilege involved, is consequently at least a
    venial sin. It is opportunism. Consequently, it is not permissible for a traditional
    Catholic, who understands that the New Mass is insulting to Our Divine Savior,
    to assist at the New Mass, and this even if there is no danger scandal to others or
    of the perversion of one’s own Faith (as in an older person, for example), and
    even if it is the only Mass available.” 10
    But notice even within this blistering prohibition on new Mass attendance, Fr. Scott still
    consistently excepts the ignorant (i.e., In the bolded/underlined portions above).
    One can find the same careful exception in the article by the Avrille Dominicans,
    published shortly after the June 28 conference in an attempt to clarify or reiterate the ban
    on Novus Ordo Mass attendance (which even contains a section called “Can one assist at
    the New Mass in Certain Circuмstances?”):
    “Even if the New Mass is valid, it displeases God in so far as it is ecuмenical and
    protestant. Besides that, it represents a danger for the faith in the Holy Sacrifice
    of the Mass. It must therefore be rejected. Whoever understands the problem of
    the New Mass must no longer assist at it, because he puts voluntarily his faith in
    danger, and, at the same time, encourages others to do the same in appearing to
    give his assent to the reforms.” 11
    The most committed Resistance priests also maintain this exception. For example, in a
    February/2016 letter by Fr. Chazal, we find this passage:
    “As for trying to explain away what happeneth and what doth happeneth not in
    Novus Ordo masses, I think it is a total minefield. Anything good we can say
    about attending the New Mass would come with so many caveats, conditions and
    distinctions. Basically, only ignorance is an excuse for taking part in it.” 12
    And of course, there is this quote from Bishop Tissier de Mallerais’ “Biography”
    regarding the position of Archbishop Lefebvre on the matter of Novus Ordo Mass
    attendance:
    “In 1975, he still admitted that one could ‘assist occasionally’ at the new Mass
    when one feared going without Communion for a long time. However, in 1977 he
    was more or less absolute: ‘To avoid conforming to the evolution slowly taking
    place in the minds of priests, we must avoid -I could almost say completely-
    assisting at the new Mass.’” 13
    Notice the same careful qualifications: Bishop Tissier says he was only “more or less”
    absolute; Archbishop Lefebvre himself says “I could almost say completely.” In other
    words, Archbishop Lefebvre’s position was not absolute; he did not say “completely.”
    What is this but a recognition that the archbishop’s position did not intend to bind
    completely (e.g., the ignorant or extreme necessity)?The proof of this interpretation comes another two years later, while giving a spiritual
    conference (in French) in 1979 –two years after his “almost complete” and “more or less”
    absolute position was already elucidated:
    “ I still have some considerations to make about precisely what the judgment is
    that we should make regarding those who say this New Mass and those who
    attend the New Mass. Is there not also a need to have a reasonable
    judgment which corresponds to the pastoral care that we must have
    regarding the souls who still do not realize the error that they could
    be committing?
    "It is not just the fact of the attendance or celebration of the New Mass. It's true
    that in many other cases where the fault is objectively grave and subjectively it is
    not because ultimately the conditions of a grave moral culpability do not exist; it
    is necessary that there is serious matter, knowledge, and full consent. We admit
    that there is serious matter (materia grave) and that there is full consent. But if
    there is no knowledge, no knowledge of the seriousness of the sin, then the
    person is not aware of the grave matter (materia grave). They do not commit a
    subjective sin.
    "They commit an objective sin, but not a subjective sin. I think that people who
    are accustomed to utter profanities or repeat blasphemies without realizing that
    it is blasphemy do not know it. They repeat what they hear in their environment,
    vulgar things to which is associated the name of God, and they are not aware of it
    -well, one can point it out. They can understand it, but then they could be
    committing an objectively serious offense but subjectively not be guilty.
    “Therefore you should not judge all people. You must know how to
    examine each case. It's precisely the role of the confessor; he must
    examine, he must be informed... Sometimes, in certain cases, we
    might even think that it is not always very pastoral to point it out to
    some people ... If for example we are aware that these people, if we
    point out the error that they are committing, these people will
    continue to do it [attend the New Mass-translator] ... it is sometimes
    necessary to proceed prudently in order to open their eyes to tell
    them what to do and not always be harsh in the way we act regarding
    souls. Souls are delicate objects that we cannot mistreat. When we say "you
    commit a grave sin", "you will go to hell", etc., we take a chance of doing
    more damage to a soul by mistreating it than by making it understand
    things gently. Rather than making one understand, explain it them, open their
    eyes about the error being committed. It is a pastoral question, I would say,
    but it is necessary to be a shepherd to these people as well and not
    condemn them immediately." 14
    There can be no doubt, therefore, that neither the SSPX, Archbishop Lefebvre, Avrille,
    Fr. Chazal, Fr. Peter Scott, etc. ever intended to bind the ignorant (or those in necessity).Consequently, one cannot justly charge Bishop Williamson with having departed from
    this teaching.
    5. “But none of this applies to the woman who asked Bishop Williamson the question:
    She attends the Traditional Latin Mass on the weekends! How could she be in
    ignorance or extreme necessity?”
    Response:
    It is clear that the woman in question was ignorant of the evils of the Novus Ordo,
    otherwise she would not have asked the question (unless you would contend that her
    desire was to extract from Bishop Williamson permission to do something she already
    knew was evil. And any answer to that question would pertain to the internal forum).
    That aside, the reflexive impression of many was that this woman could not possibly be
    ignorant of the evils of the new Mass, because she was attending the traditional Latin
    Mass on a weekly basis (presumably at either an SSPX or Resistance Mass venue), and
    was even attending Bishop Williamson conferences in Resistance venues!
    However, this presumption is factually wrong: The woman is not an SSPXer or
    Resistance faithful, but instead attends both the traditional Latin Mass and the Novus
    Ordo celebrated by a bi-ritual priest. 15
    That being the case, what do you think she has been taught regarding the differences
    between the Tridentine and Novus Ordo Masses? Or, more to the point, about any evils
    inherent in the new Rite?
    Nothing.
    In the conciliar world, the differences between the two, or the reasons for saying the
    Tridentine Mass instead of the Novus Ordo, are all explained as matters of personal
    preference: The Tridentine Mass is more reverent; it precludes abuses; features Latin;
    there is no Communion in the hand; etc.
    But the Novus Ordo itself being evil? Forget about it. How can a bi-ritual priest
    condemn at the Tridentine Mass on Sunday the evils of the Novus Ordo Mass he is going
    to say on Monday? He would as much as announce himself a hypocrite.
    All of this adds up to a pretty obvious conclusion: The woman was most certainly in a
    state of ignorance (or at least imperfect understanding) of the evils of the new Mass.
    6. “Now I have you! Earlier, you said Bishop Williamson taught this woman the truth.
    But now you are saying that since she remained in ignorance, she can continue to
    attend the Novus Ordo! Either she was taught the truth, or she remained in
    ignorance. You can’t have it both ways!”Response:
    To be told the truth is one thing. Recognizing it as the truth is quite another.
    If ever there was a man who understood the theological problems inherent in the new
    Mass, it was Archbishop Lefebvre. It was principally under his guidance that in 1969 the
    “Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass” (otherwise known as “The Ottaviani
    Intervention”) was drafted. 16 Yet despite that, Archbishop Lefebvre did not rule out
    attendance at the Novus Ordo until 1977.
    Why not? Had not this man perhaps the greatest comprehension of the inherent evils in
    the new Rite of anyone in the Church in 1969? What then explains the delay?
    The answer is simple:
    The soil must be prepared for the reception of truth. Our Lord told the Apostles, “I have
    yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.” 17
    In matters of major importance, one needs psychologically to be sure the decision one is
    about to make is correct. And this certitude is the fruit of study, prayer, and consultation.
    In short, the virtue of prudence.
    All of this takes time.
    But if it took the great Archbishop Lefebvre, with all his intimate knowledge of the
    problems, false doctrines, and evils of the new Mass eight years to leave it behind (and
    obligate others to do the same), is it really reasonable to expect this woman who was just
    taught the truth by Bishop Williamson (probably for the first time) to have
    simultaneously recognized, internalized, and accepted it as truth?
    Those who would answer affirmatively would seem to hold her to a much higher standard
    than even the Archbishop was held.
    7. “Even if I conceded these points, don’t you at least agree that Bishop Williamson
    erred doctrinally when he said that one could find “spiritual nourishment” in the
    Novus Ordo?”
    Response:
    Presuming we are talking about a valid Novus Ordo Mass, the only way one could deny
    Bishop Williamson’s comment is to either dispute the validity of the Novus Ordo rite per
    se (which was not a position held by Archbishop Lefebvre), or, to deny that the
    transmission of sacramental grace is “spiritual nourishment” (which would be absurd).
    This is because the Council of Trent (Session 7: On the Sacraments in General) enjoined
    the following propositions to be held by all Catholics as a matter of faith (i.e., de fide):“CANON VI.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law do not
    contain the grace which they signify; or, that they do not confer that grace on
    those who do not place an obstacle thereunto; as though they were merely
    outward signs of grace or justice received through faith, and certain marks of the
    Christian profession, whereby believers are distinguished amongst men from
    unbelievers; let him be anathema.
    CANON VII.-If any one saith, that grace, as far as God's part is concerned, is
    not given through the said sacraments, always, and to all men, even though
    they receive them rightly, but (only) sometimes, and to some persons; let him
    be anathema.
    CANON VIII.-If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law
    grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the
    divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.” 18
    Moreover, the manuals have faithfully transmitted and applied these articles of faith ever
    since. For example, in one of the most popular pre-conciliar manuals of moral and
    pastoral theology, we find this quote:
    “"The grace of the sacraments is infallibly produced in those who are capable
    and fit recipients, by reason of the sacred rite itself (ex opere operato),
    independently of the worth or merits of minister or recipient...The grace which is
    here spoken of as given by the Sacraments is sanctifying grace." 19
    Therefore, since it is infallibly certain that those who attend a valid Novus Ordo, and
    receive Communion in the state of grace, have received an increase of sanctifying grace
    (which is the “spiritual nourishment” par excellence), there can be no question as to the
    doctrinal correctness of Bishop Williamson’s comment.
    Rather, the concern is with those who would fall into at least material heresy by denying
    this dogma of faith.
    8. “Yes, but the quotes you provide above from the Council of Trent were talking
    about the Traditional Latin Mass, not the Novus Ordo!”
    Response:
    Actually, that it not correct.The Canons of the Council of Trent from Session VII quoted above dealt with all the
    sacraments in general, and definitively declared how grace works through them (i.e., The
    Council was not here considering the sacrament of Holy Communion specifically, much
    less any particular Rite of Mass); this latter discussion was reserved to Session XXIII.
    However, even if you had been correct, your argument essentially boils down to a charge
    that, “Trent could never have foreseen the advent of a Rite of Mass so estranged from
    Catholic theology, and would certainly not have intended its Canons and Decrees to
    apply to the Novus Ordo.”
    Yet in arguing along those lines, you would be unwittingly proposing the modernist
    thesis of “dogmatic relativism,” (i.e., the idea that the dogmatic teachings of the Church
    are not immutable, as they are conditioned by their particular times and circuмstances,
    and therefore only applicable to them). 20
    And having therefore undermined the permanence and stability of dogma, it is but a short
    step to the very same dogmatic evolution condemned by Pope St. Pius X in Pascendi. 21
    I understand that you would recoil from embracing any such position. Yet it is the
    unavoidable consequence of declaring Trent does not apply to the Novus Ordo, because it
    could not have foreseen its advent.
    9. “Yes, but didn’t Bishop Williamson admit the unorthodoxy of his own comments
    when he acknowledged that what he was saying was “practically heresy within
    Tradition?”
    Response:
    No.
    To interpret his words in such a manner is to imbue them with a false understanding,
    made plain by the context: His Lordship was simply acknowledging the incomprehension
    with which many traditionalists would greet the distinction he was making between the
    objective principle, and the subjective application (which can dispense from the dictates
    of the objective principle in certain extenuating circuмstances, such as ignorance or
    extreme necessity).
    Evidence that this is the proper sense in which we are to understand Bishop Williamson’s
    comment is found in the affinity of Bishop Williamson’s pastoral approach on this
    subject, with that of Archbishop Lefebvre’s (e.g., The quote from Archbishop Lefebvre
    contained in the Introduction to this article). If it is “practically heresy” for Bishop
    Williamson, then it is “practically heresy” for Archbishop Lefebvre, who makes the same
    distinction, and tempers his pastoral approach on the basis of this same distinction.10. “You are trying to whitewash this whole thing, but if Bishop Fellay would have said
    what Bishop Williamson said, you would have been all over him!”
    Response:
    A couple thoughts on that:
    Firstly, at the doctrinal level, had Bishop Fellay said the same things Bishop Williamson
    said, he would have been perfectly justified according to the Council of Trent, and at the
    pastoral level, perfectly in line with the teaching and example of Archbishop Lefebvre (as
    has been shown above).
    Secondly, at this pastoral level, though such comments would have been every bit as
    much in line with the approach of Archbishop Lefebvre when uttered by Bishop Fellay as
    they are when uttered by Bishop Williamson, the larger context within which such
    comments would occur are completely opposite for each:
    In the case of Bishop Fellay, these hypothetical comments would be made within the
    context of an accelerating rapprochement with Rome and Vatican II (allegations which I
    have demonstrated elsewhere), 22 and one might be excused in that case for wondering
    whether His Excellency intended to “expand” or “broaden” Archbishop Lefebvre’s
    pastoral approach (which, by the way, is not an accusation I am making).
    On the other hand, Bishop Williamson had just consecrated a Bishop to ensure the work
    of Archbishop Lefebvre would survive independent of Rome a mere seven months prior
    to his comments (and another bishop only five months later). On what reasonable basis,
    then, would one accuse His Excellency of going soft on the new Mass, or leading us back
    into conciliarism?
    11. “I’m not buying it: The whole Resistance movement is in an uproar because of these
    comments!”
    Response:
    Actually, for the most part, this whole “tempest in a teacup” is only an issue for that
    small segment of the Resistance under the poisoned influence of Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr.
    Hewko (or those having some loose affiliation with him, such as the sedevacantist Fr.
    Cardozo).
    The proof of this becomes evident upon a reconnaissance of the world’s various
    Resistance blogs, and even more evident in the opinions of the Resistance clergy
    themselves.
    Regarding the blogs, it is conspicuous that only those in English-speaking countries (i.e.,
    Mission territory for Fr. Pfeiffer/Fr. Hewko) are straining to keep the matter alive,
    obviously for reasons more political than doctrinal (despite their claims to the contrary).But if one tunes in to the French, German, or most Spanish-speaking blogs, this matter
    has NEVER been an issue, despite all the publicity the English-speaking blogs have
    generated. Note also that most of these blogs contain links to other blogs, so it will not
    suffice to claim that the matter is unknown in the non-English-speaking Resistance
    world.
    In regard to the few Spanish-speaking blogs who are wrongfully taking Bishop
    Williamson to task for his (perfectly justified) comments, most of these are not
    Resistance blogs properly speaking, but are instead affiliated with sedevacantists like Fr.
    Ceriani (an enemy of Bishop Williamson for several years) or Fr. Cardozo (who despite
    calling himself Resistance, omits the pope’s name in the Canon of the Mass, etc.).
    12. “But a bad tree can’t bear good fruit! Bishop Williamson is saying it can!”
    Response:
    When, in the third part of Our Lord’s “Sermon on the Mount,” He speaks of good and
    bad trees and fruits, 23 He is not imparting a philosophical maxim, but a moral lesson. He
    is warning his disciples against the works of false prophets, and alerting His followers
    how they may distinguish good men from bad (i.e., Judge their fruits; good men produce
    good fruits; bad men produce bad fruits, etc.).
    The moral lesson applies to the human acts of men, not to things and objects (which are
    not capable of committing human acts). If you read the commentaries of the Fathers on
    these passages (e.g., In St. Thomas Aquinas’s Catena Aurea 24 ) you will find unanimity
    on this subject.
    It is false (and contrary to all human experience), therefore, to transform this moral lesson
    into a philosophical maxim. And the proof of this is easy to discern: Does not every
    good tree also produce some bad fruit? Do not many bad trees also produce some good
    fruit? And even within the same apple: Do not many bad apples still contain some good
    flesh? And does not many a good apple contain some blemish?
    Transforming this moral lesson into a philosophical maxim would attribute a factual error
    to Scripture, and is fatal, therefore, to the inerrancy of sacred Scripture (which is a dogma
    of the faith 25 ), and therefore heretical.
    In other words, it is not appropriate to attempt to apply to a Rite of Mass (rather than a
    man) the comparison of a “good or bad tree” (or as good or bad fruits, the loss of faith it
    engenders in the faithful who attend it).
    13. “OK, then I will rephrase my question: If the new Mass is evil, how can Bishop
    Williamson claim that good can come from it?”
    Response:Leaving aside the fact that this claim has already been shown (in #7 above) to be
    infallibly correct according to the Council of Trent, perhaps a bit of philosophy would be
    in order to help you understand how this can be.
    It was just shown that every good tree also produces some bad fruit, and that bad trees are
    capable of producing good fruit, and that even within the same piece of fruit, one can
    usually find good and bad flesh. Even if the whole apple be corrupted, it still retains a
    relative goodness (e.g., For the soil which it will fertilize; for the insects or birds it will
    feed; etc.).
    These observations from the natural world reveal a philosophical conclusion:
    St. Thomas Aquinas teaches in the Summa Theologiae that, “Evil cannot wholly consume
    good.” 26
    Therefore, it matters not what species of evil we attribute to the Novus Ordo (e.g.,
    Intrinsic, moral, physical, etc.). Some good survives within it, or as a consequence from
    it.
    If, therefore, the evil of the Novus Ordo is not absolute, and wholly consuming of the
    good (and St. Thomas opines that such an evil is impossible 27 ), then the good which can
    come from the Novus Ordo (e.g., sanctifying grace), is that element which produces the
    spiritual benefit.
    Which is all another way of saying that good is not really coming from evil at all, but
    rather from the good still contained in the evil Rite of Mass.
    14. “But if you are right about that, then you would seem to be at odds with the claim,
    always made within Tradition, that ‘those people still trapped in the Novus Ordo
    benefit not from the Mass, but despite the Mass.’”
    Response:
    As always, we need to make distinctions:
    In this case, the distinction is between the Rite of Mass, and the sacrament of Holy
    Communion (or if you will, between the cause of the benefit –the Novus Ordo-, and the
    effect or benefit itself: Sanctifying grace in Holy Communion).
    It is the continuous position within Tradition that one does not benefit from the Novus
    Ordo Rite of Mass.
    But it has never been the position of Tradition (nor in light of Trent, could it ever be the
    position of Tradition), that a soul in the state of grace could not benefit from a validly
    confected sacrament:“CANON VI.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law do not
    contain the grace which they signify; or, that they do not confer that grace on
    those who do not place an obstacle thereunto; as though they were merely
    outward signs of grace or justice received through faith, and certain marks of the
    Christian profession, whereby believers are distinguished amongst men from
    unbelievers; let him be anathema.
    CANON VII.-If any one saith, that grace, as far as God's part is concerned, is
    not given through the said sacraments, always, and to all men, even though
    they receive them rightly, but (only) sometimes, and to some persons; let him
    be anathema.
    CANON VIII.-If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law
    grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the
    divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.” 28
    It is important, therefore, to recognize that in saying “Those trapped in the Novus Ordo
    benefit not from the Mass, but despite the Mass” we are not thereby questioning the
    benefit of the sacrament itself (i.e., sanctifying grace infallibly transmitted through
    reception of Holy Communion), but simply observing that that benefit is transmitted
    despite an evil Rite.
    15. “I’m not sure about this distinction you are making. Hasn’t the SSPX (and
    Archbishop Lefebvre) always said that the Novus Ordo is intrinsically evil?”
    Response:
    There is much confusion surrounding the use of this term “intrinsic,” because the word is
    capable of being used in both an illegitimate (secular/common) sense, as well as multiple
    legitimate (philosophical and theological) senses. 29
    In the secular/common (or illegitimate sense), “intrinsic evil” is often used to convey the
    degree of heinousness or magnitude of evil associated with an act. But this sense is
    erroneous in the field of theology:
    “Intrinsic evil refers to actions that are morally evil in such a way that
    is essentially opposed to the will of God or proper human fulfillment. The key
    consideration here is that intrinsically evil actions are judged to be so solely by
    their object, independently of the intention that inspires them or the
    circuмstances that surround them. “Intrinsic” has nothing to do with how
    heinous the act is (although all heinous acts are intrinsically evil), but rather that
    the act is wrong no matter what its circuмstances. A good example of an
    intrinsically evil act would be deliberately willed abortion.” 30Furthermore, we need to distinguish intrinsic evil as applied to things/objects (e.g.,
    Novus Ordo) and intrinsic evil as applied to human acts (attending the Novus Ordo).
    Speaking firstly of the concept of intrinsic evil as applied to the Novus Ordo Missae itself
    (i.e., to objects/things, rather than to human acts), the SSPX, Archbishop Lefebvre, and
    Bishop Williamson have always taught along these lines:
    “At best, [the new Mass] provides a deficient spiritual diet to the faithful. The
    correct definition of evil—lack of a due good—clearly shows that the New Mass
    is evil in and of itself regardless of the circuмstances. It is not evil by positive
    profession of heresy. It is evil by lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the
    True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood.” 31
    It is in this sense, therefore, that the SSPX has taught that the Rite itself is intrinsically
    evil.
    But does it necessarily follow, therefore, that all those who attend the Novus Ordo are
    themselves committing an intrinsically evil act?
    No.
    There are three determinants of the moral goodness or evil of human acts (object,
    intention, and circuмstances).
    For an act to be intrinsically evil, the object of the act must be evil:
    “The key consideration here is that intrinsically evil actions are judged to be so
    solely by their object, independently of the intention that inspires them or the
    circuмstances that surround them.” 32
    For, as St. Alphonsus de Liguori teaches:
    “The object gives the act its essential moral goodness or badness. Thus, the
    moral object of the act, if bad, makes the whole act bad.” 33
    Therefore, in order to determine whether or not attending the Novus Ordo is an
    intrinsically evil act, we must determine the moral “object” of such an act. If this object
    is evil, then such attendance will always be evil, regardless of circuмstances or intention
    of the subject.
    Yet, isolating the object gives rise to no small controversy, as Conte explains:
    “The moral object is the most difficult font [source] of morality to understand; it
    is the font most often misrepresented or misused in moral evaluations. And it is
    the font most often attacked by those who wish to undermine the teaching of
    the Church on morality." 34Why this is so should become evident: By mixing “circuмstances” into the identification
    of the “object” of a moral act, one can either declare an evil act “intrinsically evil” (and
    therefore never permissible) or declare an intrinsically evil act only relatively evil by
    obscuring the true object. That is to say, that confusing the object by mixing the
    circuмstances of the human act into the identification of the object can lead either to
    rigorism, or to laxism.
    As regards our particular question (i.e., Whether Novus Ordo Mass attendance is an
    intrinsically evil act), what is the object of the act in question?
    Is it simply “Mass attendance” or is it “Novus Ordo Mass attendance?”
    The way in which one identifies this object as one or the other will determine whether
    Novus Ordo Mass attendance is, or is not, an intrinsically evil act. Obviously, we are in
    need of a definition of the term “object,” and we find an excellent one in the manual of
    Fr. H. Davis, S.J.:
    “The object here means that to which the will immediately and primarily directs
    itself and its activity, such as walking, praying, almsgiving." 35
    Note that in these examples provided by Fr. Davis, S.J. he is only describing as the basic
    object the primary act willed, not including in his description of the object circuмstances
    such as “walking to grandma’s house,” or “praying to God,” or “almsgiving to orphans.”
    These bolded words are circuмstances added onto the basic object of “walking, praying,
    or almsgiving.”
    That is to say, the object is what, in the first instance, the person is setting about (i.e.,
    willing) to do. But notice that the way in which I might describe what the person is
    setting out to do (i.e., the object) may be different than what the subject themselves
    considers themselves to be setting out to do.
    So, in determining the precise object of the human act, from whose perspective must we
    assess the question?
    “To identify the object of an action, one has to put oneself in the shoes of the one acting,
    and to describe the action from [their] perspective.” 36
    Therefore, what must be our assessment and/or identification of the object of the human
    act as regards Novus Ordo Mass attendance?
    1. It is obvious the immediate object upon which the will has fastened upon is
    simply “Mass attendance.”
    2. The will of the ignorant conciliarist does not set out to “attend the Novus Ordo
    Mass,” but simply to “attend Mass” (just as in Fr. Davis’s examples above, the
    object of the will was not immediately set upon “walking to grandma’shouse,” or “praying to God,” or to “almsgiving to orphans,” but simply upon
    walking, praying, or almsgiving).
    3. Therefore, the italicized words are only the circuмstances (e.g., where one is
    walking; to whom one is praying; for what purpose one gives alms), not
    objects of the human act, and therefore have no bearing on the intrinsic
    goodness or evil of these acts.
    4. So too with the object of “Mass attendance:” It is in itself a good object, and it
    is only by mistakenly mixing and conditioning the object with circuмstances
    (e.g., Novus Ordo Mass attendance; Byzantine Mass attendance; etc) that one
    is able to declare the act evil.
    Therefore, we can say with the SSPX, Archbishop Lefebvre, or Avrille, 37 et al, that as
    regards the Novus Ordo Rite itself, it is inherently (or intrinsically) evil, but as regards
    Novus Ordo Mass attendance, since the object is good (i.e., Mass attendance), attendance
    cannot be intrinsically evil.
    16. “I suspect you are deliberately oversimplifying the moral object of Novus Ordo
    Mass attendance in order to avoid concluding that it is an intrinsically evil act.”
    Response:
    It is true that intrinsically evil acts (e.g., abortion, blasphemy, ѕυιcιdє, etc.) cannot simply
    be reduced to their essential action, as was the case in the above examples of running,
    walking, praying, etc., in which we distinguished these objects from their circuмstances.
    So for example, in the case of abortion, we cannot conclude that the moral object is
    simply “killing” (morally neutral), and designate the added description “of the unborn/of
    the innocent” as mere circuмstances. If this were true, the act of abortion would not be
    intrinsically evil (because as we have shown above, it is an evil moral object which
    designates a human act as intrinsically evil), yet that the Church has declared abortion is
    intrinsically evil tells us the object must include not merely “killing,” but also “of the
    unborn.” This latter description of killing “the unborn” is essential to the act of abortion,
    such that eliminating “the unborn” from the description of the moral object causes the
    human act to be something other than “abortion.” It must therefore be included.
    Why then, you will ask, do I refuse to designate the moral object of Novus Ordo Mass
    attendance as “Novus Ordo Mass” attendance, and insist it is merely “Mass attendance?”
    Answer:
    Recalling that the moral object of a human act is “that to which the will immediately and
    primarily directs itself and its activity;” 38
    And recalling further that “to identify the object of an action, one has to put oneself in the
    shoes of the one acting, and to describe the action from [their] perspective;” 39We are then confronted with a classic scholastic axiom which proves the point:
    “Nothing is desired in the will, unless it is first apprehended in the intellect.”
    Or stated differently, “Nothing is desired unless it is pre-known. The ignorant has no
    desire.” 40
    St. Thomas Aquinas himself intersperses his Summa Theologiae with this axiom. As one
    of the learned Resistance clerics to whom this article was sent for review in private
    distribution comments:
    “The axiom you mention is all over the Summa. In Latin it runs either "Nulla
    ignoti cupido" ("There is no desire of the unknown"), or, "Nihil volitum nisi
    praecognitum" (Nothing is desired unless pre-known"). So it is certain that a
    Mass-attender is attending Mass only as he knows it.” 41
    The consequence of this undisputed axiom is definitive in the matter of properly
    identifying the moral object in the case of an ignorant conciliarist attending the Novus
    Ordo Mass:
    The moral object can only be simply “Mass attendance,” since the ignorant conciliarist,
    having no apprehension of “Novus Ordo” cannot set out in the will to commit it as a
    human act.
    It necessarily follows that “Novus Ordo” could not be part of the object.
    Stated differently: If one is oblivious to the existence of such a thing as the "Novus Ordo
    Mass" (i.e., Such a thing is not known in the intellect), then it cannot be desired in the
    will.
    And if it cannot be desired in the will, then no sound moralist would contend that it could
    form part of the moral object of a human act.
    To say otherwise is to suggest a philosophical and moral impossibility:
    That there could exist in the will a desire for something which is not first apprehended in
    the intellect.
    No traditional priest (least of all Archbishop Lefebvre) would, or could, ever say such a
    thing.
    It is clear, therefore, that to maintain that the moral object is “Novus Ordo Mass”
    attendance (rather than simply “Mass attendance”) is erroneous, and can only be
    maintained at the expense of rejecting an axiom of Thomistic and scholastic philosophy
    around which the Church, Tradition, and all approved theologians have expressed
    unanimity since the time of St. Augustine. 42
    There is no escaping this conclusion. 43It is therefore impossible to say that an ignorant conciliarist attending the Novus Ordo
    commits an intrinsically evil human act (or that such attendance is intrinsically evil).
    17. “Are you trying to tell me Novus Ordo Mass attendance is good?”
    Response:
    Not at all! I am simply stating that we have to distinguish between evil inherent in the
    rite itself (intrinsically evil) and the type of evil present in the human act of Mass
    attendance.
    Since that which has a good object cannot be intrinsically evil, it remains for us to assign
    the species of evil Novus Ordo Mass attendance falls under.
    According to Fr. Bernard Wuellner’s “Dictionary of Scholastic Philosophy,” there are
    within the category of "moral evil" (which is defined as: "Privation of rectitude in human
    acts; a sin”) 44 three sub-species of evil:
    Formal evil: A bad human act, performed with knowledge that it is evil and with
    consent;
    Intrinsic evil: An act or intention that of its very nature, essentially or necessarily, is not
    in conformity with the norm of morals and the eternal law;
    Material evil: Something that is objectively a moral evil, but which is in a given instance
    performed without knowledge of its evil or under duress without consent to the evil. 45
    Therefore, having just eliminated the possibility of Novus Ordo Mass attendance being
    intrinsically evil, we are left with material evil and formal evil, and it is the absence or
    presence of our subjective knowledge of its objective evil that determines which of these
    types of evil those who attend the Novus Ordo are guilty of:
    In the case of conciliarists (and some indultarians), who are largely, completely, or
    partially ignorant of the doctrinal problems inherent in the new Mass, they commit only a
    material evil.
    For SSPXers, Resistance faithful (and some indultarians), who are fully aware of the
    doctrinal problems inherent in the Novus Ordo, they would commit an act formally evil
    (and therefore sinful, possibly gravely).
    18. “Well I want to go back to this quote of Archbishop Lefebvre from 1979 you are
    making so much of: Even if that was his opinion in 1979, he got more strict over
    time, and by 1981 was requiring all seminarians to sign a “Declaration of Fidelity”
    which says “I shall never advise anyone in a positive manner to take an active part
    in such a Mass.” 46Response:
    A couple observations in this regard:
    We have already demonstrated above 47 that Archbishop Lefebvre’s prohibition on new
    Mass attendance was never intended to apply to the ignorant (or those in extreme spiritual
    necessity), else how could all of those sources quoted in the objection cited have been
    made, all of them appearing after 1981?
    More than this, we also demonstrated in our rebuttal to the same question, that
    Archbishop Lefebvre drew his “red light” on new Mass attendance not in 1981, but in
    1977 (i.e., Two years before the 1979 quote in question):
    ““In 1975, he still admitted that one could ‘assist occasionally’ at the new Mass
    when one feared going without Communion for a long time. However, in 1977 he
    was more or less absolute: ‘To avoid conforming to the evolution slowly taking
    place in the minds of priests, we must avoid -I could almost say completely-
    assisting at the new Mass.” 48
    That being the case, it is impossible to object to the applicability of the 1979 quote on the
    basis that Archbishop Lefebvre became stricter on Novus Ordo attendance between then
    and 1981.
    Finally, it is worth observing that, if Archbishop Lefebvre’s position regarding Novus
    Ordo Mass attendance evolved over time (despite his having clearly understood its
    objective evil back in 1969, when he was steering the committee of bishops and cardinals
    who were to produce the Ottaviani Intervention), it evinces clearly that the matter of
    Novus Ordo Mass attendance is one of prudence, and not doctrine.
    To oppose this contention, we would be forced to admit that either Archbishop
    Lefebvre’s position was incoherent (i.e., Allowing for many years attendance at the
    Novus Ordo, despite clearly understanding its evils), or, that Archbishop Lefebvre
    changed his doctrinal position (which means he was in doctrinal error from 1969 – 1977,
    which the Ottaviani Intervention clearly shows was not the case).
    19. “But what about the part of the SSPX’s “Declaration of Fidelity” that says, ‘I shall
    never advise anyone in a positive manner to take an active part in such a Mass?’
    That’s exactly what Bishop Williamson did!”
    Response:
    To construe Bishop Williamson’s permission for this woman to continue attending the
    Novus Ordo as “advising someone in a positive manner” to attend the Novus Ordo is
    surely a distorted perception of the case.
    To “permit” is not the same as “to promote.”The former conveys a concession being made due to circuмstances, or a toleration being
    extended; the latter conveys the idea of desiring that one attend the Novus Ordo.
    No sane mind would contend Bishop Williamson was promoting new Mass attendance by
    extending a concession or dispensation from the objective preclusion due to circuмstance
    (in this case ignorance). If they did, they would likewise be bound to contend the same
    of Archbishop Lefebvre, in light of the 1979 quote above, which would be madness.
    More than this, we have the explicit testimony of Bishop Williamson himself that his
    intention was to dispense this women, in light of her distress, for fear of causing more
    damage to her, and the hope of her arriving fully at Tradition (see footnote 14), and this
    approach is precisely that contained in the 1979 quote of Archbishop Lefebvre previously
    referenced.
    Essentially, one would have to contend that the 1981 Pledge repealed the 1979 pastoral
    approach, but there is no evidence available anywhere to suggest this was Archbishop
    Lefebvre’s intention (and the quotes provided above by Fr. Peter Scott, Avrille, Fr.
    Chazal, et al explicitly militate against any such contention).
    Therefore, one cannot accuse Bishop Williamson with violation of the 1981 Pledge of
    Fidelity, unless he imbues the words of that Pledge with a false understanding.
    20. “Well surely you believe Bishop Williamson is wrong to try and make his point by
    citing “miracles” in the Novus Ordo?”
    Response:
    There are two questions that need to be addressed in this regard: One prudential, and one
    doctrinal.
    The prudential question is whether or not one could or should trust the conclusions of
    conciliar churchmen, who are generally swept away by modernism, regarding approved
    Eucharistic miracles. In this regard, one should possess a healthy dose of reserve and
    skepticism, in much the way one would regarding Marian apparitions approved/denied by
    the conciliar magisterium. Their judgment is simply not trustworthy. Far more prudent
    to reserve judgment in this regard until sanity returns to the Church, and reliable
    churchmen are trusted to reach reliable conclusions.
    The doctrinal question asks whether it is theologically possible for God to perform a
    Eucharistic miracle within the context of the Novus Ordo. Presuming we are speaking of
    a valid Novus Ordo, then there is no doubt that God can and does perform a Eucharistic
    miracle at each and every Novus Ordo through transubstantiation (i.e., The changing of
    the bread and wine into the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ).It makes no difference that the Eucharistic miracle of transubstantiation occurs through
    the mediation of a priest, rather than directly from the hand of God, for as the old
    Catholic Encyclopedia teaches:
    “God's power is shown in the miracle directly through His own immediate action
    or, mediately through creatures as means or instruments.
    In the latter case the effects must be ascribed to God, for He works in and through
    the instruments; "Ipso Deo in illis operante" (Augustine, City of God X.12).
    Hence God works miracles through the instrumentality:
    Of angels, e.g., the Three Children in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3), the deliverance
    of St. Peter from prison (Acts 12);
    Of men, e.g., Moses and Aaron (Exodus 7), Elias (1 Kings 17), Eliseus (2
    Kings 5), the Apostles (Acts 2:43), St. Peter (Acts 3:9), St. Paul (Acts 19), the
    early Christians (Galatians 3:5).
    In the Bible also, as in church history, we learn that animate things are
    instruments of Divine power, not because they have any excellence in themselves,
    but through a special relation to God. Thus we distinguish holy relics, e.g., the
    mantle of Elias (2 Kings 2), the body of Eliseus (2 Kings 13), the hem of
    Christ's garment (Matthew 9), the handkerchiefs of St. Paul (Acts 19:12); holy
    images, e.g., the brazen serpent (Numbers 21) holy things, e.g., the Ark of the
    Covenant, the sacred vessels of the Temple (Daniel 5); holy places, e.g.,
    the Temple of Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 6:7), the waters of the Jordan (2 Kings 5),
    the Pool of Bethsaida (John 5).
    Hence the contention of some modern writers, that a miracle requires an
    immediate action of Divine power, is not true. It is sufficient that the miracle be
    due to the intervention of God, and its nature is revealed by the utter lack of
    proportion between the effect and what are called means or instruments.” 49
    There is therefore no doubt at all that, according to the mind of the Church, Eucharistic
    miracles are not only possible, but present in every validly performed Novus Ordo
    consecration. 50 It appears, rather, in light of the foregoing passages, that the objection to
    the possibility of Eucharistic miracles within the context of the Novus Ordo emanates
    (partially) from an erroneous and restrictive conception of miracles, which would confine
    authenticity only to those instances resulting from the direct and immediate action of God
    (to the exclusion of the mediate instrumentality of men or angels), which the final
    paragraph of our excerpt from the Catholic Encyclopedia refutes as erroneous.
    21. “Fine, but Bishop Williamson is not talking about transubstantiation. He is talking
    about bleeding Hosts, etc. in the Novus Ordo being authentic miracles. To allowthat possibility is to charge God with deceiving souls into accepting the Novus
    Ordo!”
    Response:
    Firstly, let us observe that a miracle is a miracle, whether it occurs through the mediation
    of men or angels (e.g., transubstantiation), or transpires directly from the hand of God
    Himself (e.g., bleeding Hosts, etc.). In other words, it gets you nowhere to distinguish
    between the type or species of Eucharistic miracle, since both are the mediate or
    immediate action of God. If one is possible, so is the other.
    Secondly, implicit in your concern is the idea that a Eucharistic miracle within the
    context of the Novus Ordo could only be used by God to promote this illegitimate and
    illicit Rite.
    But in fact, it is exactly the opposite which is true:
    “the great primary ends of miracles are the manifestation of God's glory and
    the good of men; that the particular or secondary ends, subordinate to the former,
    are to confirm the truth of a mission or a doctrine of faith or morals, to attest
    the sanctity of God's servants, to confer benefits and vindicate Divine justice .” 51
    Certainly, you are aware that of all the doctrines undermined or contradicted in the Novus
    Ordo, the belief in the Real Presence is that which is most attacked by the very right
    itself, with ruinous consequences for belief in this dogma of the Faith. 52
    It therefore makes all the sense in the world that, if God wants to reaffirm belief in the
    Real Presence, performing such a miracle within the context of the Novus Ordo, where
    this dogma is under siege, is both logical and apropos.
    Jesus comes not to heal the strong and healthy, but to heal the weak:
    “Jesus hearing this, saith to them: They that are well have no need of a physician,
    but they that are sick. For I came not to call the just, but sinners.” 53
    We can see that God works throughout history in precisely this way, creating miracles
    where the faith is under attack, or sending his Blessed Mother to transmit a message to
    men. In this latter case of apparitions, history shows that when the Church was strong,
    there were relatively few approved Marian apparitions:
    Leaving aside apparitions approved only by the local ordinary, the Church approved only
    four Marian apparitions from the time of the Protestant Reformation until the mid-19 th
    century, 54 which is not surprising given the vigor of the Catholic counter-reformation
    during this time.
    But by the time Protestant rebellion had transformed into the much more subtle and
    seductive errors of full-blown liberalism in the early 19 th century, the Church authorizedten apparitions between 1830 – 1933 (i.e., More than twice as many appearances by the
    Blessed Mother in only one third the time). 55
    This analogy demonstrates what you would probably already recognize: That God creates
    miracles (or send His Mother to send a message) in those times and places where the
    Faith is most under attack.
    If therefore we are cognizant of God’s “modus operandi,” it makes every bit of sense that
    Our Lord would perform a miracle within the context of the Novus Ordo, where belief in
    the Real Presence is most attacked (not to promote the Novus Ordo, but to defend the
    dogma it implicitly denies).
    C. Anticipated Objections:
    1. “You mentioned in endnote #15 that Bishop Williamson didn’t even know the
    background of this woman (i.e., Not an SSPXer or Resistance faithful; attends
    Mass from a bi-ritual priest; etc.), so he could not claim to dispense her on the
    basis of ignorance or necessity. Moreover, I doubt very much when Bishop
    Williamson made his comments that he had the Council of Trent in mind. You
    are creating defenses for him after the fact!”
    Response:
    We have already seen (in the footnote you reference) that His Excellency made his
    comments based on the visible distress of the woman in question, and did so not to
    promote the new Mass, but to avoid giving her a command which he judged would do
    more harm than good in bringing this conciliarist towards Tradition.
    As regards what doctrinal arguments Bishop Williamson may or may not have had in
    mind when he made his comments, it is correct, for example, to state that His
    Excellency did not have the Council of Trent in mind when he made his comment
    about receiving “spiritual nourishment” from a valid Novus Ordo.
    But just as an experienced pianist does not think in terms of pushing “A flat major” or
    “quarter notes and half notes,” or as a fluent linguist does not transliterate in his mind
    word equivalencies between languages, but simply recognizes the meaning of the
    word in its own language, so too would the long experience and extensive doctrinal
    formation of Bishop Williamson have steered His Excellency toward the correct
    answers and doctrines, whether or not they were explicitly in his mind at the moment.
    The proof of this is to note how closely his pastoral approach mirrored that of
    Archbishop Lefebvre (i.e., in the 1979 quote) in this matter of Novus Ordo Massattendance (which His Excellency was also not conscious of at the time, but which
    has proven his fidelity to the pastoral approach of Archbishop Lefebvre after the fact).
    2. “You are just one of Bishop Williamson’s defenders, and your whole article is
    motivated by human respect for a bishop who is obviously in error. You are just
    towing the party line!”
    Response:
    If you will consider the matter, it should occur to you that my article has been, from
    the first to last, based completely on doctrine.
    Nowhere in 34 pages of argument will you find an appeal to arguments suggestive of
    human respect (e.g., Appeals to authority; outrage at the subversion and division the
    erroneous arguments of Bishop Williamson’s opponents are creating within the
    Resistance; ad hominems against His Excellency’s opponents; appealing for gratitude
    for all His Excellency has done in the past; etc.).
    Rather, I would suggest to you the following:
    Either you can defeat the doctrinal arguments which comprise the entirety of this
    arti
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    « Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 09:50:49 PM »
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  • Sean wrote to me and asked me to post this addendum to his letter:


    "Besides Cathinfo, this article was also distributed to a group of 15 Resistance priests and bishops for their comments.
     
    One of them has made strong arguments against my position taken in point #15.
     
    Keeping in mind that this priest's native language is not English, his argument is as follows:
     
    "I think there is a serious error in paragraph 15: the object of the action is not "attend Mass," but "attend Novus Ordo mass", and this is an intrinsically evil act.
    For example: "kill another" is bad? No, it's indifferent. Then, abortion is indifferent? No abortion is intrinsically evil because "kill the innocent" is intrinsically evil. "Innocent" is circuмstance of the act? No, it is part of the object in this case.
    Does drinking water is inherently bad? No, but "drink poisoned water" itself is inherently bad. "Poisoned" is circuмstance? No, it is part of the object in this case.
    When the circuмstances give a morally essential determination to object, they are considered part of the moral object of the action, not mere circuмstances."
     
    After a couple return responses, I discover that I am not able to prevail against him on this point.
     
    Consequently, since the purpose of my article is to promulgate truth, rather than a position, my intention is to wait for 4-5 days for more responses from the other priests/bishops.
     
    If at the end of this period none have offered a persuasive argument in my favor, I will retract my argument on this particular point.
     
    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson
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    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 10:50:41 AM »
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  • Sean Johnson has another update:


    Regarding disputed point #15 (i.e., Proper identification of the moral object), here is the current state of the question:
     
    If it is true that the moral object is "Novus Ordo Mass attendance" and not just "Mass attendance," then the moral act would be intrinsically evil, and there would be no exceptions or circuмstances which could excuse it.
     
    Yet, I showed in point #4 that the SSPX, Fr. Chazal, Fr. Peter Scott, the Avrille Dominicans, and Archbishop Lefebvre never intended to preclude the ignorant or those in extreme necessity from Novus Ordo Mass attendance.
     
    Does this not evince either that Novus Ordo Mass attendance is not intrinsically evil (i.e., Because the object, from the perspective of the ignorant conciliarist, is simply "Mass attendance," and not "Novus Ordo Mass attendance"), or, that all these persons cited have been wrong not to preclude the ignorant and those in necessity (since there are no circuмstances which can justify an intrinsically evil act)?
     
    Basically, it is not clear to me how, from the subject's perspective, they can will to "attend the Novus Ordo" rather than simply will to "attend Mass" (which in their case happens to be a Novus Ordo, rather than Byzantine, Ruthenian, etc.).
     
    Meanwhile,I have heard back from 4 Resistance priests on the article: One has taken issue with the point mentioned; the other three have raised no issues.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 03:38:34 PM »
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  • God bless Sean Johnson for this profound and scholarly work in the service of truth.

    I hope the prideful Franciscan tertiaries at 'Ecclesia Militans' who display such cultish behaviour finally find the humility of stop their campaign against Bishop Williamson. They may have cut links with Fr Pfeiffer but they still use his tactics.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 09:35:22 PM »
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  • [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ma9_10iVBik[/youtube]

    Here is the youtube.  Q & A begins just after the 1 hour mark and lasts approximately 15 minutes.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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  • Quote from: cebu
    They may have cut links with Fr Pfeiffer but they still use his tactics.


    My family noticed that as well.  The cult of Pfeiffer reaches deep into the psyche of its victims.  Their programming is so thorough that they can't cut ties with him and move on without continuing to destroy Pfeiffer's enemies.  They are like MK-Ultra mind slaves.  I spoke with a Pfeiffer family member recently and the Supreme Law of Pfeiffer is "we must support Fr Joe" at any cost.  Almost every family member is handing over their real estate to this shaman.  They seem to believe he has a Divine Destiny.  That's how cults work.

    Sad  :facepalm:

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    Some people have no sense of humor.  Bishop Williamson loves Gilbert & Sullivan. I'm sure he plays it at Broadstairs along with his Beethoven.  Cut him some slack.

    :sleep:


    Magda, it's so nice to see someone defending the good bishop for a change instead of sly insults and mockeries.   :cheers:


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    Almost every family member is handing over their real estate to this shaman.


     :shocked: I hope that isn't true.


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    Some people have no sense of humor.  Bishop Williamson loves Gilbert & Sullivan. I'm sure he plays it at Broadstairs along with his Beethoven.  Cut him some slack.

    :sleep:


    Magda, it's so nice to see someone defending the good bishop for a change instead of sly insults and mockeries.   :cheers:


    1.  +Williamson is a Gilbert & Sullivan fan.

    2.  Apparently HE's infamous conference still requires a defense.  Why?
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 01:28:00 PM »
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  • Magdalena, Pax Vobis, and J Paul:

    There is a place for "gut feeling" and layman's instinctual informal arguments. We have a whole thread about this, where those kind of arguments are welcome.

    But in this thread, I'd like to see rebuttals to ACTUAL NUMBERS in Sean's docuмent, if you have any to offer.

    We are well aware how many of you FEEL about this issue. But this isn't a place to post generic "anti Novus Ordo" material and hope that something sticks. I want you to rebut Sean's arguments, showing how your cut-and-paste evidence CONTRADICTS or even PROVES WRONG one or more of Sean's specific arguments!

    Long story short, most of your material is true stuff, but "neither here nor there" as they say. It doesn't rebut any of Sean's arguments.

    How would you like it if we were discussing the status of Pope Francis, and I posted a recipe for chocolate chip cookies, as if it somehow silences your argument?

    Because Sean is well aware of many of the things you posted. He addresses that objection, and you are pretending that he hasn't considered this. See how confusing and misleading that would be for a reader of THIS thread?

    His article was really well written, and it's obvious to me that all of you who are firing shotgun material (hoping something will stick) haven't read the article at all.
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    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 01:29:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: magdalena
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    Some people have no sense of humor.  Bishop Williamson loves Gilbert & Sullivan. I'm sure he plays it at Broadstairs along with his Beethoven.  Cut him some slack.

    :sleep:


    Magda, it's so nice to see someone defending the good bishop for a change instead of sly insults and mockeries.   :cheers:


    1.  +Williamson is a Gilbert & Sullivan fan.

    2.  Apparently HE's infamous conference still requires a defense.  Why?


    2. Because +Williamson is still being unjustly attacked by those who SHOULD BE supporting him in his fight for Tradition against the modern errors.
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    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2016, 01:34:14 PM »
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  • But the argument to end all arguments is right here:

    "Crisp edges, chewy middles."
    Ingredients
    1 cup butter, softened
    1 cup white sugar
    1 cup packed brown sugar
    2 eggs
    2 teaspoons vanilla extract
    3 cups all-purpose flour
     
    1 teaspoon baking soda
    2 teaspoons hot water
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    2 cups semisweet chocolate chips
    1 cup chopped walnuts
    Directions
    Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).
    Cream together the butter, white sugar, and brown sugar until smooth. Beat in the eggs one at a time, then stir in the vanilla. Dissolve baking soda in hot water. Add to batter along with salt. Stir in flour, chocolate chips, and nuts. Drop by large spoonfuls onto ungreased pans.
    Bake for about 10 minutes in the preheated oven, or until edges are nicely browned.



    Yeah! Think about it!
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    « Reply #13 on: May 03, 2016, 01:37:07 PM »
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  • My apologies.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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  • My arguments were a direct answer to Sean's point #2.

    I didn't call anyone names, didn't post anythin un-catholic, didn't promote any heresy.  You simply disagreed with it.  I'm tired of your censorship, Matthew, it's very childish.