Will there be a quantity discount for this book? I'd like to distribute some...I'll PM you.
What's "anonymous" about the book?
Hi Clare-I get you now! Thanks.
Sorry for the confusion: The book is not anonymous, but the compilation of some of its contents (ie., the CCCC thread which I wrote under the pseudonym “X”) was, for the reason given in Matthew’s OP.
We ordered from Matthew already. I am looking forward to reading it! I will be ordering for my family as well. They have very little internet so all they hear is what the SSPX priests tell them, which is nothing. It will be good for them to have something more tangible than just my word or "hearsay" from CI. They are sympathetic to the Resistance based on a couple of concerning trends they have seen over the past 10 years but in terms of knowing what practical changes are taking place they are looking forward to this book. Thank you Sean and all who have had a part in putting it together!
Yes, we all know. You stormed off the forum after having denounced Matthew, saying you'd never come back, but then stealthily created the X account (after having posted in Anonymous for a while).
We ordered from Matthew already. I am looking forward to reading it! I will be ordering for my family as well. They have very little internet so all they hear is what the SSPX priests tell them, which is nothing. It will be good for them to have something more tangible than just my word or "hearsay" from CI. They are sympathetic to the Resistance based on a couple of concerning trends they have seen over the past 10 years but in terms of knowing what practical changes are taking place they are looking forward to this book. Thank you Sean and all who have had a part in putting it together!
I'm someone who as attended SSPX chapels (St. Vincent's in KCMO and was married 21 years ago TODAY in St. Mary's) for 28 years, can honestly say EVERYTHING in bot the thread and this book when it arrives will be much needed help in ringing the bells "the modernists are at the gates! get your guns grab some rope!Yes, since you are willing to consider Topeka, then if you drive a bit further to Emmet, you can attend Mass at St. Joseph's Mission in Emmett operated by Bishop Zendejas (SAJM). We will have Mass almost all Sundays for the rest of the year. Currently Fr. MacDonald is there now with Mass at 9 AM from now until Sunday.
Now something I can give to my wife that she can take the time to digest rather tan trying to explain long complicated threads she has no interest in trying to digest. She tends to trust me but I'd like her to have something like this she can take her time with so she can feel assured. I am real close to red-lighting SSPX but mass opptions are few here. I won't attend FSSP nor ICKSP as their priests are doubtful, which is where the SSPX is trying to get anyway.
I've become soft Sede-Vacante but SSPV is 3+ hours away and as of now I'm not sure about CMRI in Topeka. Any suggestions? Looking forward to this books arrival.
5) Initial reports indicate that I may have greatly underestimated demand, as in addition to multiple requests to place bulk orders and become distributors, I also already received one request from a priest to buy large orders for his two chapels.This is very encouraging news... Hopefully all the intended recipients will be as excited on reception of this book as those who wish to distribute it.
Ah, so X is Sean Johnson. Well good. I have nothing against Sean Johnson, simply noting that his posts are legion. I never followed his comments that closely in the past, but that certainly doesn't mean that I dismiss them out of hand.
Say, Sean, why don't you send an autographed copy of your new book to Michael Matt? Matt rues the "circular firing squad" formed by traditional Catholics. He wants to bring us all together, and wants us to stop undermining one another. But, for whatever reason, he seems unable to recognize the obvious drift of SSPX towards Rome, and the Church of Bergoglio. Your book might enlighten him.
My money says that the new-SSPX will have learned a great deal from their Roman friends, and will give this book the same treatment Rome used to give the SSPX:
Death by silence, with the underlying presupposition being that its contents are so preposterous that no response is necessary:
Mr. Johnson is a disillusioned dissident whose judgment and perceptions have been skewed by his lack of trust and bitterness, and who has been deceived by dissident priests (and a certain Bishop).
One man described your book as a catalog of conspiracy theories.
How is docuмented evidence a theory about anything, conspiracy or otherwise?
Mr. Johnson is a disillusioned dissident whose judgment and perceptions have been skewed by his lack of trust and bitterness, and who has been deceived by dissident priests (and a certain Bishop).
Hello Matthew-
That is perhaps the most frustrating (and insoluble) problem, since it pertains to disposition.
If I demonstrate various changes or contradictions in policy and/or principle compared to those of Archbishop Lefebvre (eg., In the matter of the now greatly reduced time for making perpetual engagements), the initial reflex of many is not to suspend judgment and investigate, but to deny, or failing that, to make an ad hominem response.
I saw one comment on one of the Facebook pages (I don’t have an account) suggest that even if the entire contents of the book were true, that is no reason to write a book about it (!).
In other words, this person is simply irked that a book running contrary to the narrative she has accepted uncritically is contradicting her, and she wants it gone.
This again brings us back to the problem of disposition.
This comes to mind frequently. When speaking of Campos the comments were that most in the pews noticed no difference but the perceptive ones saw the subtle changes. January 2003 Superior General's Letter (http://sspx.org/en/publications/letters/january-2003-superior-generals-letter-63-798)Did you see the summary in the beginning of the letter? It (the SSPX, actually Bishop Fellay) says what happened in Campos should be a "lesson to us". So those of us who accepted this "lesson" are called rebels, trouble makers and conspiracy theorists by the very same SSPX who warned us!
"So little by little the will to fight grows weaker and finally one gets used to the situation. In Campos itself, everything positively traditional is being maintained, for sure, so the people see nothing different, except that the more perceptive amongst them notice the priests’ tendency to speak respectfully and more often of recent statements and events coming out of Rome, while yesterday’s warnings and today’s deviations are left out. The great danger here is that in the end one gets used to the situation as it is, and no longer tries to remedy it. For our part we have no intention of launching out until we are certain that Rome means to maintain Tradition. We need signs that they have converted."
Against Campos it was good to notice these things. When the SSPX is in the hot seat, it's a different story.
Did you see the summary in the beginning of the letter? It (the SSPX, actually Bishop Fellay) says what happened in Campos should be a "lesson to us". So those of us who accepted this "lesson" are called rebels, trouble makers and conspiracy theorists by the very same SSPX who warned us!
"In the eyes of Rome, the Campos-Rome agreement was merely meant to be the prelude to our own “regularization” in the Society of Saint Pius X, but in our eyes what is happening to our former friends should rather serve as a lesson to us. There is a desire on the part of some Vatican officials to put an end to the downhill slide. However, it is clear that the principle governing today’s Rome is still to put the Council into practice as has been done for the last 40 years."
"We need signs that they have converted." said Bishop Fellay!!!!!!!
Did you see the summary in the beginning of the letter? It (the SSPX, actually Bishop Fellay) says what happened in Campos should be a "lesson to us". So those of us who accepted this "lesson" are called rebels, trouble makers and conspiracy theorists by the very same SSPX who warned us!
"In the eyes of Rome, the Campos-Rome agreement was merely meant to be the prelude to our own “regularization” in the Society of Saint Pius X, but in our eyes what is happening to our former friends should rather serve as a lesson to us. There is a desire on the part of some Vatican officials to put an end to the downhill slide. However, it is clear that the principle governing today’s Rome is still to put the Council into practice as has been done for the last 40 years."
"We need signs that they have converted." said Bishop Fellay!!!!!!!
2) For those who object to purchasing from both CI and Mr. Akins, the book will also soon be available from Amazon.com (link to come when setup is finalized).We are a Catholic Resource Center Amazon distributor. The book was posted yesterday:
We are a Catholic Resource Center Amazon distributor. The book was posted yesterday:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07XLPMLMT
Great job Sean and good luck with the book.
My hope is that you will purchase/support the distributors first.Another reason it is wise to have multiple sources selling on Amazon is that Amazon plays games with the sellers over whether or not they will allow a product to be added to your inventory. And if anyone complains they may block that seller's page. I had a very difficult time getting Voice of the Trumpet listed because of the subject matter. And other's have had their accounts closed with no explanation.
I wanted to have several distributors/purchasing options, as I knew in advance some interested parties would be reluctant to buy from one or another of the distributors (or myself).
Remember, according to Bishop Fellay (Australia conference, 8/24/16), it is not a trap, and Rome wants the spread of Tradition! (See #3 in book).If "rome" wants "tradition", then the only definition of "rome" you can come up with is +Schneider and +Burke. And they don't necessary want "Tradition" in the same sense that we do, since they don't see a problem with V2 or the new mass. For them, "tradition" means upholding the natural law and not denying the Trinity (which +Francis does when he upholds the Jєωιѕн/muslim gods as being good). +Francis and the heretic modernists everywhere have triumphed so successfully that this is the state of where we are today - fighting against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and a pan-religious idea of God is considered "traditional". O Mary, Destroyer of Heresies, Help us! O St Joseph, Patron of the Church, protect Her!
Another reason it is wise to have multiple sources selling on Amazon is that Amazon plays games with the sellers over whether or not they will allow a product to be added to your inventory. And if anyone complains they may block that seller's page. I had a very difficult time getting Voice of the Trumpet listed because of the subject matter. And other's have had their accounts closed with no explanation.
Bog zaplac Sean for getting this book out. I pray it will help to finally bring around those friends of mine who have not fully grasped the SSPX revolution. :)
From one old Pole to another, this kielbasa is pour vous. :D ;)
Say, Sean, why don't you send an autographed copy of your new book to Michael Matt? Matt rues the "circular firing squad" formed by traditional Catholics. He wants to bring us all together, and wants us to stop undermining one another. But, for whatever reason, he seems unable to recognize the obvious drift of SSPX towards Rome, and the Church of Bergoglio. Your book might enlighten him.
But it was too much....he comment was not approved....Anything opposing tradcuмenism will not be tolerated.Agree. And Michael Matt is not alone is this closed-minded thinking; most indulters are the same. Yet, how many Trads will argue that the indult community is full of "good willed" and "conservative" people? But this isn't true at all. Your small experience here proves otherwise. Most of these people are NOT open to the truth, NOT open to challenges to their worldview, NOT open to criticisms of new-rome. They have their rinky-dink latin mass, they are approved by new-rome and they are satisfied. They are not interested in the True Faith, or True Traditionalism because it's too hard and too fringe.
Agree. And Michael Matt is not alone is this closed-minded thinking; most indulters are the same. Yet, how many Trads will argue that the indult community is full of "good willed" and "conservative" people? But this isn't true at all. Your small experience here proves otherwise. Most of these people are NOT open to the truth, NOT open to challenges to their worldview, NOT open to criticisms of new-rome. They have their rinky-dink latin mass, they are approved by new-rome and they are satisfied. They are not interested in the True Faith, or True Traditionalism because it's too hard and too fringe.Pax V... :applause:...Absolutely nail on the head true with the friends who choose to remain in “the state of indultery.” The only thing I have been able to, that would bring results, is pray and offer up my sufferings (very heavy as of late) and let Our Lord and the BVM Mary Bogarodzice distribute graces so required for their conversion. :incense:
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/4600-last-chance-cic-almost-sold-out (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/4600-last-chance-cic-almost-sold-out)And one of the clans is Opus Dei.
"From what I can see here, the clans have already united:
And one of the clans is Opus Dei.Of course you said that in sarcasm, as it is not a coincidence at all. It is planned clan control.
What a coincidence!!!
Of course you said that in sarcasm, as it is not a coincidence at all. It is planned clan control.
The Opus Dei demands obedience to the Pope regardless of his heresies.
They are the enforcers at the Vatican. I had friends in the Opus Dei who
wanted me to attend one of their retreats. No thanks.
I had thought I had mentioned this, but after a quick glance through the thread, do not see that I did:
A Resistance priest reached out to Matthew to order between 15-60 copies for his chapels, pending responses from his faithful.
Now THAT is an edifying example of a priest being zealous in defense of his faithful!!
Sure. Seems like a bit of preaching to the choir though. Perhaps he could order 20 copies to pass out at SSPX chapels instead.
Sure. Seems like a bit of preaching to the choir though.
And one of the clans is Opus Dei.File this one under 'suspicions confirmed'.
What a coincidence!!!
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Sean, what's the over/under on how long before the new-sspx publishes an article rebutting your book (I doubt they would write a book)? I'd say 3 months, by end of year. Just a guess. I can imagine that "comrade" priests are working feverishly to find the best out-of-context +ABL quotes to chastise your book. Should be interesting.
Fr. Hewko's latest newsletter mentions 101 CCC: https://conta.cc/2omDIyc (https://conta.cc/2omDIyc)Fr. Hewko says : "Where's the exposing of the Fake Resistance promoting New Mass miracles, trad-Ecuмenism, etc.? "
It doesn't appear that Archbishop Lefebvre was schizo at all. In fact, for one who knows and is familiar with his writings, he was consistent up until the day he died about the New Mass. He called it "poison" over and over.
How does this reconcile with Bp. Williamson telling us in 2015 the New Mass can "nourish" our faith? Which is it? Is it poison or nourishment?
Words mean something.
The only real distinction between Bp Fellay and Bp Williamson is that Bp. Fellay tells us (in word or deed) that the whole of the Conciliar Church is acceptable. Bp. Williamson tells us that just the New Mass/it's miracles are acceptable and nourishing. But what is the New Mass but the banner of the Conciliar Church? Recall Archbishop Lefebvre remarks that he was told if he would only say the New Mass all his problems with Rome would go away. The New Mass vs. the canonized Latin Mass is the pivot point of everything.
If Bp. Williamson believed as Archbishop Lefebvre did that the New Mass was poison, he has now had four years of opportunity to clarify his statements. He has not done so. We are left with no choice but to accept that Bp. Williamson too (like Bp. Fellay) has changed.
Sean,Hodie-
According to you, is the New Mass poison (as pointed out repeatedly by Archbishop Lefebvre and as was always the position of the SSPX for a number of years - as you surely can attest to) or is it nourishment (as Bishop Williamson says)?
This is rubbish! It is blasphemous, if not heretical, to suggest that the Church can give Her children poison.
Firstly, I certainly don’t believe that the Archbishop was a heretic by any stretch of the imagination. I think he was understandably confused and trying to reconcile what he saw happening to the Church, as I pray that you are also. Secondly, he was not perfect and was able to make mistakes, as we all are. Thirdly, many intelligent priests and theologians disagreed with this line of thinking and held that the NO was invalid. Fourthly, if I agreed with your line of reasoning, I’d be heading to my local NO church and not waste my time traveling 2 hours to go to a valid mass. Fifthly, you have more in common with Father P. than I do, as you both are rabidly dogmatic anti-sedevacantists against all logic and reason.
Did Bp. W. say that the New Mass can nourish one's faith, that it can be nourishing, or words to that effect? Guess I missed that. Can you supply a quote, perhaps?Lefebvre consecrated bishops? When did that happen? Please supply all the info on the Internet here for me.
Fr. Hewko says : "Where's the exposing of the Fake Resistance promoting New Mass miracles, trad-Ecuмenism, etc.? "Here is a line that I'd like to "call out" Fr. Hewko to SHOW SOME EVIDENCE or stop spewing Pfeifferite propaganda and trying to divide the Resistance:
Poor Fr. Hewko, something in him thinks that Bishop Williamson and the other Resistance Priests tell everyone they meet to go to the New Mass. Yet in the real world, not one Priests or Bishop has evet told us to go to the New Mass or Trad-Ecuмenical events, and we have had several Resistance priests come to our little mission. The Hewkonians and Pfifferites make it seem that every Sunday that the Resistance Bishops and Priests preach on the goodness of the New Mass.
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Lefebvre consecrated bishops? When did that happen? Please supply all the info on the Internet here for me.
SJ:
So it's obvious that +Williamson+Lefebvre thinks the New Mass provides some kind of effective spiritual nourishment. So obvious, in fact, that to question such a contention is to challenge the fact that ABL consecrated 4 bishops. Well, it's not that obvious to me, and, perhaps, to others. I think, maybe, that whatever +W said in this regard must be taken in the context of surrounding remarks.
How does this reconcile with Bp. Williamson telling us in 2015 the New Mass can "nourish" our faith? Which is it? Is it poison or nourishment?
Hodie:Obviously, you were not responding to Matthew’s comment, which reminded you to start a new thread if you want to talk about something besides the book.
You didn't fix anything, Sean. Sorry. I was responding, I think, to Hodie's post above. Had I thought we were discussing ABL's alleged tolerance for the Old Mass and its nourishing value, I would not have made the same inquiry.
Sean's terrific catalog (and now book) can be supplemented and elaborated upon by reviewing the archives of Catholic Candle: https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/ (https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/)
(Please note, however, that my post here should in no way be seen as an endorsement of everything found on Catholic Candle.)
Resources about Priests and Groups
List of priests and self-described priests (PDF) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JraFxACRV1Gl4LUJBL-USwlYUWlR29r6/view?usp=sharing) Bp. Williamson, Society of St. Pius X, Moral decline, Bp. Fellay, Fr. Bouchacourt, Fr. le Roux, Fr. Pfluger 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015