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Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences:
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 08:50:59 AM »
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In general, over the years, I have often wondered why Fr. Pfluger's speeches have not in the main been made public.  Whenever he has reared his head he hasn't had much to say that has been spiritually uplifting, IMHO.  His tone and content have ALWAYS smacked of rank politics, and devoid of something Catholic and uplifting.  It's as though he has been lying low, or perhaps doing his wormwood-work on the inside.  This present news would seem to support that notion.  


Quote from: GoogleTran said Fr. Pfluger

The reform of the Church will occur, but gradually, and we must cooperate from within, but still protected.

We must purify the SSPX elements opposed to this, as to be heard must be provided and be obedient to the Pope.

Our return to the fold change initiatives that generate gradually come to the Pope, and then the expected reform of the Church will [happen]."



It seems his main theme is the DENIAL of the principle of "no accord with an unconverted Rome."  He says it again and again, using different arrangements of words.


Quote from: SeanJohnson
And take note:  Fr. Pfluger announces his intention to "purify" the SSPX of those "elements" who still oppose a merely practical accord and Vatican II.

Jaw dropping stuff.


Good call, SeanJohnson.  



And I likewise appreciate the preliminary assessment of Wessex:


Quote from: Wessex

He articulates the new direction, which is a few years ahead of that still lingering in remote outposts of the Society.

And he confirms that it is passing through a transitional stage away from battles lost to a more sympathetic understanding of reality and how best to participate in that reality.

In terms of the hardest of ABL's stances, Fr. Pfluger's mission is abject surrender.

But he will doubtless say that the founder always left the door open for reality to dawn on his intransigent followers one day.

Whether this is true or not, Menzingen's view is that the early actions of the Society were 'of the moment' and that new conditions apply.

So, instead of fighting the conciliar church, we apply our energies towards the 'reform of the Church' with understanding and charity, a slow ongoing task to be shared with other Catholics, when one day the real meaning of the Council will emerge and prevail.

This is of course the language and thinking of the new church he is using.

Liberalism is all about reforming the Church constantly, and the Society likes to think that it has a part to play in the Council's long-term project -- by joining the debate.

Here, Fr. Pfluger, the sleep-walking Society, and its habitual laity are effectively saying goodbye to the old church after a brief period of reluctance.    




That's really beautiful, Wessex.  We are honored to have your contribution to the Literature of the Resistance.

Anyone who knows an applicant to the Society seminaries should write this down and make sure he receives a copy.  It could make a difference.  


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Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences:
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2014, 09:04:35 AM »
Quote from: ancien regime
Quote from: Graham
I'd be very grateful for a proper translation and identification/confirmation of the source.


The editor of the Recusant and I are working on a "proper" translation.

However, we cannot be held responsible for the faulty reasoning and twisted syntax of Fr. Pfluger.  His speech is becoming so Novus-Ordo-like that translating it almost makes one's head explode in trying to untangle what he is saying.  :facepalm:

As Bishop Williamson so appropriately says, "Kyrie eleison."



The wreckovationists did the same thing at Vat.II -- it was all in Latin, but they managed to tweak the language that has for thousands of years protected the doctrine of the Church, into something that attacks itself.  The principle achievement of the unclean spirit of Vat.II was to make Latin a weapon AGAINST the Church, instead of against her ENEMIES.  

Now you're seeing it in another language, French, or German, as you "try to untangle what he is saying."

While nonpossumus tries to give him the benefit of the doubt, it's already telling that the unclean spirit of Vatican II has LONG possessed the Society's number two man.

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Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences:
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2014, 09:33:26 AM »
This estrangement from other Catholics and each other is born of the sectarian and cultic mentality which has arisen within Tradition and particularly in the SSPX/Resistance/Sede segments.

We have been so internally focused(with encouragement from the leaders), that we have lost sight of the Church as a whole, as well as our brethren whom we might bring out of the darkness of Conciliarism and unto salvation.

Should we be rigourists? Should we be rigid about Doctrine and Catholic comportment?  Absolutely, yes, but our rigor should always come to the other in the cloak of concerned Charity. Concern for the Church, concern for the immortal souls around us, concerned for the scrutiny of God's eyes upon us. The truth should not be used as a bludgeon, rather it should be applied as a salve to the wounded souls that we encounter.

But we are too easily scandalized too many times, which becomes an unintended indulgence of pride after a time. I wonder what might be worse in God's sight, an uncovered head and legs, born of ignorance or a veil of prideful
condemnation upon our own?

Charity is bringing forth the truth of the Masters Gospel in kindness and patience. A refusal to shun and condemn, a rejection of these things for Christ's sake. While he waits upon His altar at Mass, does he look out upon Love for Him or malice for our brother?


If this account is accurate and Father Pfluger's Francis like blather is true, then ponder this, both he and Bishop Fellay and all of the other liberal minded clerics of the SSPX were educated and formed in the seminaries of the Society. Here is an end product. It is no accident. Setting aside individual character, there was something in the principles, attitudes, and philosophy in their training that inclined rather than excluded their minds to slide in this direction.

The seed was in them, it is in all of the priests that came from them whether they be resistance or sede, or Society proper.






Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences:
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2014, 10:20:40 AM »
Quote from: obscurus
Traditional Catholicism must transform our entire outlook on life. The petty mode of Catholicism that many promote will be ineffective in bringing the world back to Christ.  This is one reason I support Bishop Williamson because he sees the BIG PICTURE.

P.S. The Fr. Pfluger conference is just awful if true.



Good post!

Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences:
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2014, 10:26:28 AM »
Quote from: J.Paul
This estrangement from other Catholics and each other is born of the sectarian and cultic mentality which has arisen within Tradition and particularly in the SSPX/Resistance/Sede segments.


Absolutely true.

This is the sine qua non issue which needs to be addressed.