Author Topic: Scandalous Fr. Pfluger Conferences: (Read 9879 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** January 25, 2014, 04:39:29 AM »

From the Nonpossumus Blog:
Scandalous Seminary Conferences of Fr. Pfluger to Seminarians in Flavigny
December

(Note: Ancien Regime and TheRecusant are currently translating all the scandalous conferences evincing the corrupted and branded priestly formation the seminarians are now getting, but meanwhile, you can get a Google translation from that blog. Here is a sample of what Nonpossumus is posting on 1-24):

Fr. Pfluger says:

"Traditionalists are locked in ourselves, rigid, self-sufficient and full of unfounded fears, always condemning, concerned over the truth of charity.

But the reform of the Church is broader than a return to the truth, is a reform of all life, and that we have not noticed. The point is not the truth or doctrine but charity and life in its entirety.

We were not realistic, but we've idealized things. What seems drastic in us (as some attitudes of Archbishop Lefebvre and the decision Frame 2006 from Roma) is actually circuмstantial, ie, on the conditions of the moment. We must let our bitterness and find the joy that is in sentire cuм Ecclesia and avoid criticism of the Vatican II.

The first is love, not truth. So we must not be rigid idealists, but we must be realistic and be charitable. Do not try to convert the Pope and the council: it is useless because they do not understand our language and are worried about what pastoral, not doctrinal.

In short: what you need to do is leave our auto closure, deposing our sorrows, our fears about wolves intended, and leaving sedevacantism that falls to reject Vatican II. We must trust in Rome, which has shown good will, and intensify relations with the council. We should not expect any sudden turn in the crisis of the Church. The reform of the Church will occur, but gradually, and we must cooperate from within, but still protected. We must purify the SSPX elements opposed to this, as to be heard must be provided and be obedient to the Pope. Our return to the fold change initiatives that generate gradually come to the Pope, and then the expected reform of the Church will [happen]."

Comment:

Unless this post is a flat out fraud, it is incredible to me that a single priest stays in the SSPX, and that the Menzingen denizens have the effrontery to pretend they have not been consciously liberalizing the once-traditional Society.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2014, 04:45:44 AM »

And take note:Fr. Pfluger announces his intention to "purify" the SSPX of those "elements" who still oppose a merely practical accord and Vatican II.

Jaw dropping stuff.

Wessex · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2014, 06:35:33 AM »

He articulates the new direction which is a few years ahead of that still lingering in remote outposts of the Society. And he confirms that it is passing through a transitional stage away from battles lost to a more sympathetic understanding of reality and how best to participate in that reality. In terms of the hardest of ABL's stances, Fr. P's mission is abject surrender but he will doubtless say that the founder always left the door open for reality to dawn on his intransigent followers one day. Whether this is true or not, Menzingen's view is that the early actions of the Society were 'of the moment' and that new conditions apply.

So, instead of fighting the conciliar church, we apply our energies towards the 'reform of the Church' with understanding and charity, a slow ongoing task to be shared with other Catholics when one day the real meaning of the Council will emerge and prevail. This is of course the language and thinking of the new church he is using. Liberalism is all about reforming the Church constantly and the Society likes to think that it has a part to play in the Council's long-term project by joining the debate. Here, Fr. P, the sleep-walking Society and its habitual laity are effectively saying goodbye to the old church after a brief period of reluctance.

Ekim · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2014, 06:42:43 AM »

I agree with Father when he says traditionalist are ridged, locked into themselves, and always condemning. Anyone who has traveled in Traditional circles long enough must admit that this is true. Just last week there was a small family who had never been to the Latin Mass. I watched the "faithful ". Some made facial expressions that clearly indicated their displeasure with slacks and no head covering. After Mass others walked by and just looked at the ground. Luckily, there were a few who were very welcoming. One kind lady even went and sat next to them, offering them missals and showing them how to use it. Most however ignored them. Why? Fear? Pride? Lack of charity? HMMmmmm...

There are the "little house on the prairie" folks who openly claim that if you don't ware prairie dresses, can your own food and slaughter your own meat you are somehow too worldly. We have intense home schoolers who, with tears rolling down their face preach your children will go to hell if you send them to school. We have the holier then thaugh types who boldly quote papal docuмents and spew off Lain phrases to pontificate their Catholicism ....throw in the conspiracy theorist, sedevecantists, and the pious prayers, and you have a mixed bag of pickles. We even had one person frown in disbelief that we actually let our kids join the local soccer team and little league baseball.

There is a lack of charity in Traditional circles that must be addressed. We use to have a very good priest who was great at coralling the factions. One time he preached that if God wanted us all to live on little house on the prairie he'd have had us born in 1857. If that's how you choose to live your life That's fine as long as you understand that such a lifestyle may not be for everyone, nor does that Catholic Church require it. He was great at breaking down these cliques. Once left these cliques started to return.

I believe something must be done to address this issue. One visitor to tradition said "these people are all over the map." However compromising with doctrine, sleeping with modernist Rome, and ignoring the danger (poisoned soup) of Vatican II is not the answer. We must continue to shout these dangers from the rooftop. Like St Bernard said, a Catholic priest must be like a guard dog who barks at approaching danger. If the dog stops barking, it's useless.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2014, 06:51:36 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson

Comment:

Unless this post is a flat out fraud, it is incredible to me that a single priest stays in the SSPX, and that the Menzingen denizens have the effrontery to pretend they have not been consciously liberalizing the once-traditional Society.

And that faithful continue to attend neo-SSPX Masses.