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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2018, 02:05:26 AM »
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    • Speaking of Fr. Pfeiffer quotes, I'd like to frame this one and hang it on his wall.

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    Many innocent souls go to the New Mass every day and they will go straight to heaven when they die. Many innocent souls go to the Fraternity of St. Peter and the Ecclesia Dei Masses because they see it as better than the others or it just happens to be the Mass they prefer to go to for whatever reason. And they don’t know and they will go to heaven when they die.

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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #31 on: January 26, 2018, 10:30:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on January 26, 2018, 02:05:26 AM
    Speaking of Fr. Pfeiffer quotes, I'd like to frame this one and hang it on his wall.
    So you are saying those who attend FSSP Masses will not go to heaven when they die??
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #32 on: January 26, 2018, 10:36:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 26, 2018, 10:30:09 AM
    So you are saying those who attend FSSP Masses will not go to heaven when they die??

    You completely missed the point.

    Fr. Pfeiffer is the creator of the dogmatic, "Red Light" position, which states that NO ONE (regardless of family situation, geography, what specific priest they have, which chapel they attend) may attend any SSPX Mass ANYWHERE, and for dogmatic reasons.

    A fortiori (even more so), this argument which would apply to the FSSP since they ARE today what the SSPX WILL BE in a few more years.

    If the SSPX is to be red-lighted according to Fr. Pfeiffer, where would that leave the FSSP?

    See how inconsistent and contradictory he is? It's all emotion, self-serving and propaganda. Truth is only spoken when it's convenient for him; otherwise, distortions or even lies "do just as good" for him.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #33 on: January 26, 2018, 10:41:27 AM »
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    • Yeah, I happen to agree with that particular quote from Fr. Pfeiffer.  I've known many in the Novus Ordo and Motu circles who clearly have Catholic faith.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #34 on: January 26, 2018, 10:43:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 26, 2018, 10:36:35 AM
    You completely missed the point.

    Fr. Pfeiffer is the creator of the dogmatic, "Red Light" position, which states that NO ONE (regardless of family situation, geography, what specific priest they have, which chapel they attend) may attend any SSPX Mass ANYWHERE, and for dogmatic reasons.

    A fortiori (even more so), this argument which would apply to the FSSP since they ARE today what the SSPX WILL BE in a few more years.

    If the SSPX is to be red-lighted according to Fr. Pfeiffer, where would that leave the FSSP?

    See how inconsistent and contradictory he is? It's all emotion, self-serving and propaganda. Truth is only spoken when it's convenient for him; otherwise, distortions or even lies "do just as good" for him.

    Well, although he red-lighted SSPX, I believe he would also say that many who go to SSPX Masses will go to heaven because they "don't know".  I don't see this as necessarily contradictory.  He would equally red-light Novus Ordo Masses.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #35 on: January 26, 2018, 11:21:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 26, 2018, 10:36:35 AM
    You completely missed the point.

    Fr. Pfeiffer is the creator of the dogmatic, "Red Light" position, which states that NO ONE (regardless of family situation, geography, what specific priest they have, which chapel they attend) may attend any SSPX Mass ANYWHERE, and for dogmatic reasons.

    A fortiori (even more so), this argument which would apply to the FSSP since they ARE today what the SSPX WILL BE in a few more years.

    If the SSPX is to be red-lighted according to Fr. Pfeiffer, where would that leave the FSSP?

    See how inconsistent and contradictory he is? It's all emotion, self-serving and propaganda. Truth is only spoken when it's convenient for him; otherwise, distortions or even lies "do just as good" for him.
    Fr. Pfeiffer preaches this contradictory nonsense over and over, and yet he and Fr. Hewko frantically cross the country and broadcast their opinion thinking it should be obvious to all Catholics.  How dare they suggest that ignorance and modernism are greater than the power of Christ received at Mass!  I can't imagine what happens to someone who causes Catholics not to receive Christ!   
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #36 on: January 26, 2018, 11:47:00 AM »
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    • No, I get that Fr. Pfeiffer sometimes acts like the only valid Masses are in Boston or Equador.

    But he's been telling people where to go for years. In the beginning, it was 'don't go to the Indult' then don't go to the SSPX, now it's 'don't go to the "fake" Resistance. All while simultaneously knowing people go where they want.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #37 on: January 26, 2018, 02:03:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 26, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
    No, I get that Fr. Pfeiffer sometimes acts like the only valid Masses are in Boston or Equador.

    But he's been telling people where to go for years. In the beginning, it was 'don't go to the Indult' then don't go to the SSPX, now it's 'don't go to the "fake" Resistance. All while simultaneously knowing people go where they want.
    Equador?
    If you've been told Pepsi is the best cola long enough, that's the only cola you will ever drink...
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #38 on: January 26, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »
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    • I'm being faceitious to show his absurdity. 
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #39 on: January 26, 2018, 04:36:39 PM »
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    • I might have missed it but was this subject brought up because of this sermon?  

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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #40 on: January 27, 2018, 07:35:55 AM »
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    • I don't think all was well in the SSPX in 2008. Bishop Fellay's machinations were grinding along, even though they weren't quite as obvious to many people back then.

    Let's put it this way -- the infamous "throw Bishop Williamson under the bus" incident happened in 2009. That was when Bishop Fellay silenced Bishop Williamson (this became known publicly) after the infamous German TV station interview. That was my first wake-up call that something is going wrong in the SSPX.

    I think 2008 was during the twilight of the SSPX.

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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #41 on: January 27, 2018, 11:06:03 AM »
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    • Of one thing I rejoice and am 100% certain.  At my Particular Judgment, Our Lord will NOT have consulted Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Pablo the Mexican, Bp. Williamson, Bp. Fellay, or any other earthly priest or society including the novus ordo.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #42 on: January 27, 2018, 01:08:49 PM »
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    • Do yourself a favor, Martin. Stick your finger down your throat, spit out the last vestiges of that Kool-Aid, and wake up to reality. Your tortuous labyrinth of self-inflicted confusion and navel-gazing is mind-deadening. You have misjudged the fervent Catholic posters on CathInfo, and owe them all an apology. Additionally, delete the unconscious insinuations of your own moral transcendence. Get off the fence and choose a side; and take your brother home.

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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #43 on: January 27, 2018, 01:50:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: paxtecuм111 on January 27, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
    Do yourself a favor, Martin. Stick your finger down your throat, spit out the last vestiges of that Kool-Aid, and wake up to reality. Your tortuous labyrinth of self-inflicted confusion and navel-gazing is mind-deadening. You have misjudged the fervent Catholic posters on CathInfo, and owe them all an apology. Additionally, delete the unconscious insinuations of your own moral transcendence. Get off the fence and choose a side; and take your brother home.

    That's basically what I said, only not as rudely.

    1. Martin still has vestiges of the Pfeiffer kool-aid in his system
    2. He is now "one of us", but that thought still horrifies him (see #1) because Fr. Pfeiffer beats into the members of his compound that CathInfo is evil and other propaganda.
    3. Because of #2, he was trying to distance himself from the average CI member, acting as though we didn't go through the same disillusionment or embrace the same commitment to Catholic charity and morality that he did.

    You're right though; he seems to have difficulty fulling coming to terms with the truth of the situation. He's getting there slowly but surely, emphasis on the slowly.
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    Re: Saying My Piece: Father Pfeiffer and OLMC
    « Reply #44 on: January 27, 2018, 03:24:34 PM »
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    • Some people have given into ad-hominem attacks here. They are unjust, personal attacks, the kind of which paxtecuм111 has recently provided. 

    The term “Pfeifferite” has been applied to those who support any element coming from Boston, and is meant to denigrate that person, as well as cast suspicion on whatever topic that person has discussed.

    That is one, very small example of the problems I have seen. The flat earth debacle is another, with members of both sides acting like monkeys fighting over some territory.

    I cannot support such denigration of character, and I will speak out against it. 

    If you have a problem, stick to the facts, and leave the personal diatribe out of it. 

    My brother will do what to do and when he decides to do it. I cannot forced him to do anything, though he knows full well what I believe he should do. 

    Yes, Father Pfeiffer and Pablo have hurt my family, but as hominem and other insults will do nothing to help my family, or guide my brother. 

    I’ll take the high road. I don’t care if others don’t like that decision, or think it is a pompous act of “moral transcendence”. 

    It’s the right thing to do. 
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