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Offline Brian R

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« on: October 16, 2015, 05:37:53 AM »
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  • New forum member here. Hi everyone!

    I am seeking advice. I am a newly confirmed Catholic, so my understanding of the tradition is somewhat limited.

    I live about two hours from the nearest Latin mass. Driving four hours to attend this mass with my wife and two young kids is next to impossible. I was going to the local Catholic church but stopped when it became too obvious that the priest was using the homily to push UN Agenda 21 and neo-Malthusian philosophy. I don't want to expose my family to such ungodly teachings which are based in Kabbalistic-infested and Luciferian-laced Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

    I keep hearing that it is the mass that I should attend, and not worry about the priest being saintly. I have attended the Latin mass and the ordinary mass and I don't feel like I am attending mass when I attend the ordinary. I feel like I am attending the creation of spiritually corrupt Freemasons.

    I reached out to another Catholic church near me and the priest is in complete denial about Pope Francis pushing UN Agenda 21. It is slightly better, but again, I feel like I am attending a Freemasonic mass at that church, as well. The priest seems to be a passive apologist for Agenda 21, and he is not someone who would ever rock the boat and violate the status quo.

    I have been Buddhist (which is not a conflicting religion, but a belief system) for most of my life. I have seen the infiltration of traditional Buddhism, as well, which is why I studied and practiced alone for most of the last 25 years. Should I take the same approach to Catholicism? Is it even possible? I do want to expose my kids to the traditional practices of the faith, as well as the spiritual community, but I do not want them being corrupted by Freemasonic and Luciferian philosophy at the same time.

    Any advice? I am located in the Seattle area, on the Eastside. Thanks in advance.


    Offline LucasL

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    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 06:22:26 AM »
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  • Hi!
    Have you watched this video?


    Highly recommend before thinking about the Mass.



    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 06:34:18 AM »
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    I think you came to the right place, Brian R.  

    First off, in Seattle, you have your choice of two traditional Mass communities, or perhaps even three, depending on how much distinction you would make.  But you're already asking for distinction, so you might as well get the whole enchilada, as they say.  

    If you're Italian, that would translate, "the whole lasagna," or Korean, "the whole kimchi chigae."

    You have the SSPX,
    and you have the SSPX-Resistance,
    and you have the CMRI at St. Michael's, Spokane.  (They are sedevacantist, but have valid sacraments.)

    Some of the members here on CathInfo are from your area, so they might be better sources for you than I am.  As I recall, hollingsworth is in Washington/Idaho.

    I see you're worried about traveling 2 hours each way to Sunday Mass.  There is a chance that other Catholics in your area have a mission where you can get to Mass in someone's home or something.  A lot of traditional Catholics are doing that these days.

    You are certainly facing an uphill struggle, but it is no small thing that you have already found the discernment you have.  Please keep checking back here because there are many helpful members on CathInfo who are eager to share information with you.  

    I sense that your primary concern is what to provide for your children.  You must learn the Faith yourself before you can share it with them.  But they can also share in your process of discovery as you progress along!  

    The best environment for children is to have daily exposure to wholesome pedagogy and curriculum, which might be something almost unheard of within the Seattle limits.  But I'm just guessing at that -- better ask someone who really knows for sure.

    Your local parochial school is probably not the best place for your children, sad to say.  And I don't know about the public schools there.  Another possibility is home schooling, but you would be very dependent on a support group of other families who are already doing this, and I don't know of what's going on in Seattle.  

    I wish I had more for you, but others here are better informed.

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    Offline LucasL

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    « Reply #3 on: October 16, 2015, 06:52:21 AM »
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  • Great comment
    Neil Obstat , indeed you're right to say he's in the right path

    While reading the above comment I remembered watching a good video of Bishop Williamson talking about how important is family and Church.




    Hope you like this video too :)


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    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2015, 06:53:47 AM »
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  • [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/hJxM7Lo2URw[/youtube]
    In case it doesn't embed properly

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2015, 07:28:02 AM »
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  • Thanks for the vids and the advice -- much appreciated!

    The vids contain info I have seen before, and I am already on the same page. Neil touched on some points which are interesting for my situation... finding a local group that practices out of their home or another location, and also what to do for my kids' education.

    I am of the belief that if I teach my kids about the intentional destruction of heritage and culture by Communitarians (communism mixed with capitalism), they may be equipped to deal with the world and be agents of change within it. The danger today seems to be in becoming isolated socially, as the larger, unknowing public willfully adopts Communitarian values due to sophisticated, relentless propaganda. So do my kids need to be experts in living a double life, in order to integrate with their peers, but also be conscious of what is going on around them so that they can still thrive? How are other traditional Catholic families dealing with this?

    How does one find a local group of practicing traditional Catholics? Is there a listing somewhere? I would imagine a listing might prove problematic, as Communitarian change agents often dabble in Fabian techniques of infiltration, not to mention the problem of being attacked by the anti-religion local media at some point, with the associated bandwagon effect on the local populace.

    Here is some background on Communitarian Law, which is my contribution back to you good people. There is a docuмented legal system in place, out of Brussels, that is driving changes worldwide. This is difficult to find, which is why I am sharing it here.

    Communitarian Law and European Community Law : Individual & National Sovereignty versus the Collective Good
    http://nord.twu.net/acl/research/commlaw.html

    Related, from the same author/investigative journalist --
    The New World Pope is a Communitarian
    http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-new-world-pope-is-communitarian.html

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    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2015, 07:56:01 AM »
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  • Seems you like politics. I realized about the situation in my country (Brazil) studying the communist infiltration.

    Since 1988 -- when my country was "democratized" -- there was a plan: to recover what they have lost in Soviet Union and turn South America the new Soviet Union.

    In 1990 there was almost no socialist president in South America. They had liberal tendencies, but you could find real conservative opposition.

    Here in Brazil the socialist infiltrated the Church, they helped the criminals to justify their crimes for "social justice". That hapenned in the 1960's (Vatican II!!). The evil knew it could not transform the brazilian society into a marxist society without the Catholic Church.  For instance the Church now is a place for "fighting for social justice " they put Karl Marx in the place of Jesus Christ and there're "priests" that have pictures of mass murders in their rooms. In the 60's protestantism was almost no existent here. You could only fiend protestant churches by recent immigrants from Germany, Swiss, Austria.. The number of Catholics was huge.

    Now every Country is red (Paraguay excluded). Either fabian socialist or marxist revolutionaries. In Canada I believe they are going full socialist. They don't even pretend they do not want to destroy the children anymore. Now they don't hide their intentions of destruction. I wouldn't risk sending my child to ANY school, college or university.

    But isn't the socialist, feminism etc not a direct consequence of satanism? St Pius X and Pio XI told us about the true root of socialism and why people were falling into the devil's hands.

    As Bishop Williamson says in the video in Canada I've send you: the schools, TV, universities and so on destroyed the people's common sense. They will either fall for socialist or any other destructive tendencies. They will either worship money or "social justice".. it doesn't matter.


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    « Reply #7 on: October 16, 2015, 08:04:49 AM »
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  • Which means of course they will embrace any faith they are presented. And believe me, the media, schools, universities, your kids friend will not show them true Faith. The best possible scenario is they will present the Vatican II Church. Maybe in the next 20 years they will find Vatican II conservative!


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    « Reply #8 on: October 16, 2015, 08:22:49 AM »
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  • I don't like the world "Communitarians". If you think , since the 50's the communists don't speak more about the need for 100% communist economy. They are interested in social communism , which means they know the economy must be capitalist to provide them money to implement the communist mentality little by little. They realized people get scary when they talk about economy, so they don't use often the "centralized" economy rhetoric

    Don't fool yourself: is the same old "good" marxist tactics. By the end of next year you'll find another 100 names for the same old marxism-leninsm principle: "destroy the society because by destroying the society it will emerge a better society."

    it doesn't matter how they call it, they have to change the name in order to present you the same old lie.



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    « Reply #9 on: October 16, 2015, 08:32:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: irirfleo
    Maybe in the next 20 years they will find Vatican II conservative!


    Which reminds me of a funny but sad quote from the film "The Catholics" when they refer to "Vatican VII".

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    « Reply #10 on: October 16, 2015, 08:41:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
    Quote from: irirfleo
    Maybe in the next 20 years they will find Vatican II conservative!


    Which reminds me of a funny but sad quote from the film "The Catholics" when they refer to "Vatican VII".


    There's a good theologian (I mean he knows a lot, studied and speaks in 4 languages fluently, not that he's in a good behaviour) here in Brazil that says the Vatican II wasn't bad "in the light of tradition".

    He studied in Rome in the 90's... can you imagine the quality of the sminarians there?



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    « Reply #11 on: October 16, 2015, 10:12:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Brian R

    Communitarian Law and European Community Law : Individual & National Sovereignty versus the Collective Good
    http://nord.twu.net/acl/research/commlaw.html

    Related, from the same author/investigative journalist --
    The New World Pope is a Communitarian
    http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-new-world-pope-is-communitarian.html


    Thank you so much for sharing this information.  Everyone needs to become familiar with this as the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr closes in on us.  It brings a new understanding to how and why our laws have taken on a new direction away from individual rights to collective rights.  

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    « Reply #12 on: October 16, 2015, 10:24:18 AM »
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  • You must also ensure that the orders of the priest are valid.  This is actually of paramount concern.  The orders of most Novus Ordo priests are, at best, doubtful and this applies to priests connected to the Conciliar church who say the traditional Mass.  This is not just due to the slight change in the Rite of Orders for priests but due to the major change in the Rite of Consecration of bishops.  At the very best, this Rite is doubtful, but many traditional priests and bishops have made a strong case that the Rite is absolutely null and void due to its essential mirroring of the Anglican Rite which was declared by Pope Leo to be absolutely null and void.

    In addition to the churches identified above in the Seattle area, there appears to be another option in Seattle:

    HOLY REDEEMER ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPEL
    11824 10th Avenue Southwest
    Seattle, WA 98146-2776
    PHONE:  (206) 299-1522

    Before attending that chapel, however, I would contact the priest to ascertain the source of his orders.  The website (http://holyredeemerchapel.org/) contains some articles by Bishop Donald Sanborn, but this does not necessarily mean that the priest was ordained by him or was validly ordained at all.  If the priest will not divulge this information openly, I would stay away.

    In my opinion, though many on CathInfo would disagree, the best choice for you would be the CMRI church in Tacoma.  Depending upon where exactly you live, I would think this church would be about an hour from you (I am originally from the Seattle area).  If it is the cost to drive to the True Mass that is the issue, try to attend when you can, once a month if that is all that is possible.  If it is just because you have two small children that make it difficult for you, then I suggest that this is not a hindrance at all.  There were years I had three small children at one time on long drives.  It may not be the most pleasant time on the road, but it is certainly not an impossibility.

    St. Mary's Parish
    757 138th Street South
    Tacoma, WA 98444
    Phone:    253-535-9477

    Speak with the priest at St. Mary's.  I think you'll find someone who will readily answer questions and assist you in any way he can.

    Whatever you do, stay away from the Conciliar church.  As you have figured out, they are a Masonic, Protestant sect and you will not find the true faith or the true sacraments from them (with the possible exception of Baptism).

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    « Reply #13 on: October 16, 2015, 10:55:13 AM »
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    I live about two hours from the nearest Latin mass. Driving four hours to attend this mass with my wife and two young kids is next to impossible.

    Any advice? I am located in the Seattle area, on the Eastside. Thanks in advance.


    I live in eastern Washington but by "Seattle area ... Eastside" I presume you mean the Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond area, or even the valley?  The resources I know of are on the west side of I-5 but generally wouldn't be a two hour drive (on Sunday morning) from what I'm thinking of as the east side of the lake.

    FSSP in Ballard ; They also have Masses in Shorline and Tacoma and sometimes in Kenmore.

    SSPX in Edmonds

    CMRI in Tacoma ; I was thinking that at one time they had a couple of mission stations but I don't see those listed now.

    Holy Redeemer Chapel in West Seattle ; They are an independent sedevacantist chapel that I believe has some association with Bishops Dolan and Sanborn.

    The priests at any of these parishes or chapels may know of another family or families that live near you.  This might provide opportunities for car pooling to Mass or other parish / chapel events, or a priest might be able to come on occasion to offer Mass in your location at a home or some other facility, such as a Grange Hall.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 16, 2015, 11:18:50 AM »
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    I live about two hours from the nearest Latin mass. Driving four hours to attend this mass with my wife and two young kids is next to impossible.

    Any advice? I am located in the Seattle area, on the Eastside. Thanks in advance.


    I live in eastern Washington but by "Seattle area ... Eastside" I presume you mean the Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond area, or even the valley?  The resources I know of are on the west side of I-5 but generally wouldn't be a two hour drive (on Sunday morning) from what I'm thinking of as the east side of the lake.

    FSSP in Ballard ; They also have Masses in Shorline and Tacoma and sometimes in Kenmore.

    SSPX in Edmonds

    CMRI in Tacoma ; I was thinking that at one time they had a couple of mission stations but I don't see those listed now.

    Holy Redeemer Chapel in West Seattle ; They are an independent sedevacantist chapel that I believe has some association with Bishops Dolan and Sanborn.

    The priests at any of these parishes or chapels may know of another family or families that live near you.  This might provide opportunities for car pooling to Mass or other parish / chapel events, or a priest might be able to come on occasion to offer Mass in your location at a home or some other facility, such as a Grange Hall.


    Just so you know CMRI is sedevacantist and, therefore, schismatic.  I would not go there.  Nor would I have anything to do with Dolan or Sanborn chapels as they are the same.