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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2025, 04:20:22 PM »
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #16 on: September 06, 2025, 04:38:05 PM »
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  • 1000% she's part of the problem, if not THE problem.  
    What do you make of the alleged "relationship" between Mrs. Sanborn and Fr.D?


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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #17 on: September 06, 2025, 04:55:41 PM »
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  • let's try to disentangle the SSPX wrecking families, which appears to be more and more common these days, where the SSPX are playing "White Knight" and taking the side of disgruntled women and justifying many of their feminist attitudes.  Of course, the women will claim that I am justifying "abuse" ... yet they can look at the threads where I denounced those advocating corporal punishment of wives, but the issues manifested itself most egregiously in a piece of trash put out there by Father Adam Purdy SSPX in an interview given to LifeSite News.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-catholic-priest-says-effeminate-men-are-the-root-problem-in-marriages

    Absolutely absurd.  While Pudy denounces lack of leadership from men as the cause of most problems in marriages (I dispute that and my experience is that it's feminist attitudes from women ... that SSPX promote), so, according to Purdy, it's almost always the men who are at fault in not making sure that the "rules are followed", but then ironically in the second part of the article denounces men who think of wives "more as one to be told what to do rather than to mutually enhance each other".  Not only do I want to stick the old finger down the back of my throat with the "mutually enhance" lingo, but this gives ammunition to the feminsts who refuse to be "told what to do", as he characterizes that as an "abuse of the idea of the authority of the husband".

    So, now, according to Purdy, who's engaging in a nauseatingly effeminate and obsequious "White Knight"-ing to the wives declares that a husband who, at the end of the day, expects a woman to do what she's told is abusing the notion of authority.

    I'm in full agreement with Ladislaus on this one.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #18 on: September 06, 2025, 05:04:11 PM »
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  • No, something along the lines of what Father Purdy claims might SOMEtimes be the case, if there's one single most common problem in marriages, it's FEMINISM.

    While deriding "effeminate" men, he attempts to castrate them in the very same article.  While denouncing them for not enforcing rules, he says that they shouldn't expect wives to do what they're told.  So ... how do you "enforce rules"?  You plead with your wife, and then if she happens to agree, then you get credit for enforcing rules.  But if she says, "Purdy said you can't tell me what to do.", then it's their fault?

    Or, if, because the legal system has been stacked against men, and so have SSPX now, the husband just gives up and becomes passive ... since exerting himself would do nothing but result in an escalation that would give the woman fuel for charges of abuse in their impending divorce hearing.  I've known TradWives who incited their husbands to anger and, despite their being no physical abuse, would record them just so they could take it to divorce court.  Then about 3 weeks after the divorce they're shacked up with the REAL reason they made the charges of abuse against their husband, while he's forced to pay for the adulterer's presence in his own home via alimony and child support.  In the meantime, prior to the recent developments, the wife went to the Novus Ordo diocese to get the marriage annuled due to SSPX (and in some cases independent) priest not having the requisite jurisdiction.  Now of course the Novus Ordo presbyter will witness marriages, making that move harder, but the NO readily gives annulments anyway, just that it's slightly harder for them now.

    I've seen this exact scenario play out from TradWives going on double-digit times now, with people I knew fairly well.  I've seen only one case where the husband filed for divorce against his wife's wishes.  In all the other cases, it was the wife filing, against the husband's wishes, and the husband fighting it the entire time.  TradWife claims abuse, in a couple cases claimed that the husband was trying to raise the children in a "cult" (characterizing Traditional Catholicism that way for additional ammunition).  In a couple of the TradWife was shacked up in short order after the divorce was finalized, and the courts added insult to injury by making the divorced husband pay for the entire adulterous arrangement.

    THAT is what I'm seeing.  I do occasionally run into a guy who's very tyrannical towards his wife, but for every one of those I see, I run into dozens where the wife refuses to obey, and nags, derides, mouths off ... until she gets her way, and feels entitled to getting her way.  And what's sickening is that when the husband accuses them of being disobedient, they actually claim that they HAVE been obedient, doing everything the husband had ever asked of them.  I find myself utterly perplexed about what alternate universe they actually believe that to have been true in.  Invariably the TradWives claim abuse, brainwashing in a cult, will immediately get a restraining order on the husband for physical abuse ... simply for having administered regular (not excessive) spankings when they were called for, and that's just to set the stage for getting very favorable divorce settlement.  Before they intend to file, months before, they start making recordings of the husband getting angry with them for mouthing off, and they edit the recording to cut out the part where they instigated it.  Oh, and get this ... in one case, the TradWife who did this, claimed abuse, got restraining orders, won full custody of the children as a result, claiming that they kids were abused and in a cult, the divorced husband (a relative of mine) actually offered to keep paying her child support just so he could have custody of the kids.  In other words, she would get child support while he would actually financially support the kids, who would live with him ... i.e. where she would sponge up the child support for herself.  She was perfectly fine with that arrangement ... thereby sending her kids off to be subject to "abuse" (this guy should have filed child endangerment charges, since if you claim he was abusing them, why's she sending them over there? -- except that then the kids would have ended up with CPS).  I don't think this TradWife "mom" visited her children, at her divorced husband's place more than 2 or 3 times in about 10 years or so.  Instead she spent the husband's child support on her and her adulterous concubine, shacked up in a house that he had paid for and that she got.  But he was OK with making that sacrifice so that the children could be away from her pernicious influence.

    So, this fantasy land of "effeminate men" causing most marriage problems from Fr. Purdy absolutely discredits him and the SSPX, and this attitude is likely behind what the SSPX did to Mr. Sanborn's family.

    I know I've had this argument before, but this is a case where married men (married priest or even just a lay consultant) would be in a MUCH BETTER situation to do marriage counseling, etc. than these celibate priests, who in their minds perhaps liken all women to reflections of Our Lady, due to their inexperience with them, unaware of how many of them are very adept at manipulation, and so they fall victim to their wiles, where the SSPX priest undoubtedly went over to Mrs. Sanborn's house and was met with great sobbing, wailing, moaning, many tears, and gnashing of teeth ... as she describe the unspeakable abuse to which she and the children had been subject.  Then, after she sensed the priest(s) buying her version of events, she'll lighten up, acting happy and comforted, and even smiling at the priests, thanking them effusively for helping her in her dire predicament (also engaging that instinct of males to help women in distress and emotionally getting them attached to her), reinforcing their buy-in to her story.  Said women undoubtedly also practiced what even the courts have acknowledge and termed "parental alienation" by poisoning the kids against the father.  When the father is away at work, the mother can get to work programming the kids, explaining how the wicked and abusive husband and father is really the cause of all their troubles, and then convinces the children that the father abuses them.  In fact, I knew of one case where the mother smacked the kids around orders of magnitude more than the husband every spanked them ... where I personally witnessed her smacking them up with the slightest provocation, with the husband pleading for her to have a bit of restraint ... and then had the temerity not only to claim abuse of the children, but then had coached the children to make the same accusation.  Years later, the kids often feel guilty and then recant, explaining they had been told to say that by their mother, sometimes because the mother claimed that if they did not, they would end up in foster homes.  In one of the most egregious cases of "parental alienation", this actually happened to one of my brothers, whom some of you know well ... where during a visitation shortly after the divorce proceedings, my brother, who's about the most gentle individual you'd ever meet, had a restraining order filed on him and could only visit the children supervised at a police station ... and so one time my brother took some cookies for the kids.  Then, one of the kids, looked over to his mother before accepting the cookie, but was extremely nervous about accepting it.  She nodded her assent, and despite that he still appeared rather reluctant.  Now, my brother couldn't figure out what was going on.  Well, on a later visit, one of the kids spilled the beans and blurted it out that the TradWife mom (mover and shaker at an SSPX chapel after said divorce) had told them that my brother and his mom (my mom / her mother-in-law) had been poisoning their food trying to kill them.  True story.  I kid you not.  So these TradWives that Fr. Purdy puts up on a pedestal ... these preists are gullible, naive, get easily played by these master manipulators and, yes, LIARS.  Many of these women will shamelessly lie like it's going out of style, slandering and calumniating their husbands.  And the SSPX priests probably just lap it up, being manipulated by the poor woman in distress, expecting them to ride in like White Knights to save them ... and they oblige.  They should let experienced marriage counselors make assessments of situations before passing judgment.  They should also interview third parties, instead of attempting to resolve the he-said-she-said on their own, knowing that both sides are likely exaggerating culpability and one or the other side or both will lie.

    I do hope that Mr. Sanborn wins the lawsuit and makes SSPX feel the pain, and force them to think twice about wrecking families.


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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #19 on: September 06, 2025, 05:11:37 PM »
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  • What do you make of the alleged "relationship" between Mrs. Sanborn and Fr.D?

    I can't make that one out.  It just made insinuations that Fr. D (and also Fr. R, no?) were regularly visiting her (and the children) while he was away.  I didn't see any directly allegation that there was some kind of impure relationship there, though it was heavily implied.

    If you recall, one of the very first video hitpieces put out by Voris / Niles made the exact same insinuation about Father Kenneth Novak, where it spoke about his breaking up a family and visiting the wife / kids at all hours of the night.

    So, I don't think it's necessary to posit an impure or physical relationship to explain these visitations, especially if the kids were also still around.  I think it's enough to explain that where the wife wanted an audience to hear her side of the story where the husband wasn't around to defend himself, so she could lay it on thick.  There may in fact have been a bit of touching involved, as part of the manipulation, where she'd grab the priest's hand or even try to get a hug in as she sobbed uncontrollably, using the physical affection to draw them in more.  Now, it certainly COULD have escalated beyond that, but I do not want to speculate since I don't feel it's NECESSARY to explain these visits ... as they could just have been planned that way so he wouldn't be around.  She may have even done things like claim that she feared for her safety if he ever found out ... as part of the manipulation also ... and so they had to sneak around, sometimes at late hours (as was alleged of Fr. Novak), since the wives would claim they had no choice but to be sneaky like that to avoid retribution from the abusive husband.


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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #20 on: September 06, 2025, 05:14:19 PM »
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  • Overall, I think that Mr. Sanborn is going to play up the checkered past of these priests in order to have a better chance of a verdict in his favor, since he knows it's his only chance.  I'm not sure that's perfectly honest either ... just that he migth feel he needs to do it in order to combat the dishonest techniques that would be used against him.  Once a woman alleges abuse ... proven or not proven ... 95% of the time it's game over for the husband/father.  It's like the old "Me Too" movement.  Then, to make it look good, before they file for divorce, they'll stage some incident and get a restraining order.  It's all part of the tactic to maximize their take in the divorce proceedings.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #21 on: September 06, 2025, 07:26:02 PM »
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  • I suspect that Sanborn is using it as additional ammunition for his lawsuit, just as women often make up allegations of abuse during divorce proceedings, etc.

    No different from secular women, slandering their husbands and justifying the reason for the divorce. Women are way more ruthless in court than men because they are rewarded for it. And it might lead them getting full custody of their children. 



    Absolutely absurd.  While Pudy denounces lack of leadership from men as the cause of most problems in marriages (I dispute that and my experience is that it's feminist attitudes from women ... that SSPX promote), so, according to Purdy, it's almost always the men who are at fault in not making sure that the "rules are followed", but then ironically in the second part of the article denounces men who think of wives "more as one to be told what to do rather than to mutually enhance each other".  Not only do I want to stick the old finger down the back of my throat with the "mutually enhance" lingo, but this gives ammunition to the feminsts who refuse to be "told what to do", as he characterizes that as an "abuse of the idea of the authority of the husband".

    We had some issues early on in our marriage and thought that seeing a priest might help. This was in the NO at the time. The priest was trying to be neutral but I could see him kind of siding with me. I didn't see this benefitting because I think I knew on the inside that I could be doing things better instead of constantly thinking my husband was in the wrong. 

    Obviously, this type of attitude of JUST thinking of a wife as a servant and an order-taker, taken to an extreme, can lead to tyrannnical husbands, and there are some of those out there, but after demanding that husbands show leadership and make sure rules are followed, and blaming their failure to do so on most of the trouble in familities, he completely pulls the rug out of under them and UNDERMINES their leadership, by declaring it an abuse of authority to expect the wife to do as she's told, i.e. to be obedient to her husband at the end of the day.  AT NO POINT does Purdy address the plague of women who think they cannot be told what to do.  I know "Traditional" wife, attending SSPX chapels, who constantly deride their husbands for "countermanding" them ... if they don't agree with something they've ordered, and actuall if they don't obey what they have commanded themselves.  In other words, not a few "Tradwives" expect obedience from their husbands rather than the other way around.  That's a massive plague in a society that's permeated with misandry and the derision of "toxic masculinity", etc. ... and IMO it's THE chief cause of problems in families, hands down.  Not only does Purdy not address it, but he throws gasoline onto the fire that's wrecking most families.

    Just because you dress modestly, have 10 kids, SAHM/homemaker, "traditional", doesn't mean you're not going to be a harpy. Recently, I've noticed some trad Catholic women take on the finances because they have the financial background and their husbands don't. I think there's a difference between the husband being too busy and giving his wife the job of doing it vs the wife thinking she'll be better at it. I also notice secular women doing that and the husband seems beta for the most part. Personally, I think men do a fine job managing the finances and it gives him a sense of masculinity. 

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #22 on: September 06, 2025, 08:04:35 PM »
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  • This is the sort of thing that makes me walk into Mass at the very last minute, sit in back, and if there’s no priest hearing confessions during Mass and I might have mortal sins, I don’t go to Communion. I stay in the pew until most people are gone, pick up my stuff and make a bee line for the front door, bypassing the people having coffee and donuts. If anyone greets me, I acknowledge him briefly as I keep on walking, mumble something about running late, and burn rubber as I pull away from the curb. 
    That’s called going to Mass to fulfill my obligation, but my heart isn’t in it. I have to wonder about the hearts of half or more of the laity and of the priest’s as well, distracted by the scandal, lies, gossip, detraction, and total selfishness. 


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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #23 on: September 07, 2025, 01:44:35 AM »
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  • Overall, I think that Mr. Sanborn is going to play up the checkered past of these priests in order to have a better chance of a verdict in his favor, since he knows it's his only chance.  I'm not sure that's perfectly honest either ... just that he migth feel he needs to do it in order to combat the dishonest techniques that would be used against him.  Once a woman alleges abuse ... proven or not proven ... 95% of the time it's game over for the husband/father.  It's like the old "Me Too" movement.  Then, to make it look good, before they file for divorce, they'll stage some incident and get a restraining order.  It's all part of the tactic to maximize their take in the divorce proceedings.
    This is why a lot of men are reluctant of getting married nowdays or are extremely picky. Ladies the men are like cats, slowly you gotta get their attention, they will test you and sus you out to make sure there are no red flags, but if you spook them, they are gone.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #24 on: September 07, 2025, 09:26:39 AM »
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  • I know of two cases in the same SSPX chapel, where women divorced their husbands, completely unjustly ... and were given positions at SSPX chapels, teaching at the school, being a school secretary, and other responsibilities.  Both of the husbands compained to me, shaking their heads, that SSPX is the place to go for women who want to divorce their husbands.
    To be fair, even though that may not have been the case here, if the first marriage were ipso facto invalid due to lack of canonical form, and if the situation could not be (or should not be) rectified by convalidation or sanatio in radice, the Catholic spouse would do well to get out of it. 

     A fortiori if the first marriage were invalid due to the other spouse having a previous valid marriage.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #25 on: September 07, 2025, 10:17:08 AM »
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  • Or, if, because the legal system has been stacked against men, and so have SSPX now, the husband just gives up and becomes passive ... since exerting himself would do nothing but result in an escalation that would give the woman fuel for charges of abuse in their impending divorce hearing.  I've known TradWives who incited their husbands to anger and, despite their being no physical abuse, would record them just so they could take it to divorce court.  Then about 3 weeks after the divorce they're shacked up with the REAL reason they made the charges of abuse against their husband, while he's forced to pay for the adulterer's presence in his own home via alimony and child support.  In the meantime, prior to the recent developments, the wife went to the Novus Ordo diocese to get the marriage annuled due to SSPX (and in some cases independent) priest not having the requisite jurisdiction.  Now of course the Novus Ordo presbyter will witness marriages, making that move harder, but the NO readily gives annulments anyway, just that it's slightly harder for them now.

    I've seen this exact scenario play out from TradWives going on double-digit times now, with people I knew fairly well.  I've seen only one case where the husband filed for divorce against his wife's wishes.  In all the other cases, it was the wife filing, against the husband's wishes, and the husband fighting it the entire time.  TradWife claims abuse, in a couple cases claimed that the husband was trying to raise the children in a "cult" (characterizing Traditional Catholicism that way for additional ammunition).  In a couple of the TradWife was shacked up in short order after the divorce was finalized, and the courts added insult to injury by making the divorced husband pay for the entire adulterous arrangement.

    How do these women delude themselves every day that they are good Catholics? How do they hold out ANY hope of EVER seeing Heaven someday?
    It boggles the mind.
    Do they think warming the pews at a "Tridentine Mass" for an hour once a week is some kind of easy ticket to Heaven?
    Do they think, like the Jews, that they can cheat God, getting "annulments" stamped by the Novus Ordo and God will be all pleased with their evil machinations and behavior?

    Here is an appropriate reading from Scripture, speaking about the insatiable appetite of some wicked and lusty women for sex:
    (Proverbs chapter 30)


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    15 The horseleech hath two daughters that say: Bring, bring. There are three things that never are satisfied, and the fourth never saith: It is enough.
    [15] "The horseleech": Concupiscence, which hath two daughters that are never satisfied, viz., lust and avarice.

    16 Hell, and the mouth of the womb, and the earth which is not satisfied with water: and the fire never saith: It is enough  [Proverbs 30:16]
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    18 Three things are hard to me, and the fourth I am utterly ignorant of. 19 The way of an eagle in the air, the way of a serpent upon a rock, the way of a ship in the midst of the sea, and the way of a man in youth. 20 Such is also the way of an adulterous woman, who eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith: I have done no evil.
    21 By three things the earth is disturbed, and the fourth it cannot bear: 22 By a slave when he reigneth: by a fool when he is filled with meat: 23 By an odious woman when she is married: and by a bondwoman when she is heir to her mistress.


    Particularly this part:


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    18 Three things are hard to me, and the fourth I am utterly ignorant of. 19 The way of an eagle in the air, the way of a serpent upon a rock, the way of a ship in the midst of the sea, and the way of a man in youth. 20 Such is also the way of an adulterous woman, who eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith: I have done no evil.
    I know, right? I'm with you on this, Solomon. I don't understand it either.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #26 on: September 07, 2025, 11:01:06 AM »
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  • No, something along the lines of what Father Purdy claims might SOMEtimes be the case, if there's one single most common problem in marriages, it's FEMINISM.

    While deriding "effeminate" men, he attempts to castrate them in the very same article.  While denouncing them for not enforcing rules, he says that they shouldn't expect wives to do what they're told.  So ... how do you "enforce rules"?  You plead with your wife, and then if she happens to agree, then you get credit for enforcing rules.  But if she says, "Purdy said you can't tell me what to do.", then it's their fault?

    Or, if, because the legal system has been stacked against men, and so have SSPX now, the husband just gives up and becomes passive ... since exerting himself would do nothing but result in an escalation that would give the woman fuel for charges of abuse in their impending divorce hearing.  I've known TradWives who incited their husbands to anger and, despite their being no physical abuse, would record them just so they could take it to divorce court.  Then about 3 weeks after the divorce they're shacked up with the REAL reason they made the charges of abuse against their husband, while he's forced to pay for the adulterer's presence in his own home via alimony and child support.  In the meantime, prior to the recent developments, the wife went to the Novus Ordo diocese to get the marriage annuled due to SSPX (and in some cases independent) priest not having the requisite jurisdiction.  Now of course the Novus Ordo presbyter will witness marriages, making that move harder, but the NO readily gives annulments anyway, just that it's slightly harder for them now.

    I've seen this exact scenario play out from TradWives going on double-digit times now, with people I knew fairly well.  I've seen only one case where the husband filed for divorce against his wife's wishes.  In all the other cases, it was the wife filing, against the husband's wishes, and the husband fighting it the entire time.  TradWife claims abuse, in a couple cases claimed that the husband was trying to raise the children in a "cult" (characterizing Traditional Catholicism that way for additional ammunition).  In a couple of the TradWife was shacked up in short order after the divorce was finalized, and the courts added insult to injury by making the divorced husband pay for the entire adulterous arrangement.

    THAT is what I'm seeing.  I do occasionally run into a guy who's very tyrannical towards his wife, but for every one of those I see, I run into dozens where the wife refuses to obey, and nags, derides, mouths off ... until she gets her way, and feels entitled to getting her way.  And what's sickening is that when the husband accuses them of being disobedient, they actually claim that they HAVE been obedient, doing everything the husband had ever asked of them.  I find myself utterly perplexed about what alternate universe they actually believe that to have been true in.  Invariably the TradWives claim abuse, brainwashing in a cult, will immediately get a restraining order on the husband for physical abuse ... simply for having administered regular (not excessive) spankings when they were called for, and that's just to set the stage for getting very favorable divorce settlement.  Before they intend to file, months before, they start making recordings of the husband getting angry with them for mouthing off, and they edit the recording to cut out the part where they instigated it.  Oh, and get this ... in one case, the TradWife who did this, claimed abuse, got restraining orders, won full custody of the children as a result, claiming that they kids were abused and in a cult, the divorced husband (a relative of mine) actually offered to keep paying her child support just so he could have custody of the kids.  In other words, she would get child support while he would actually financially support the kids, who would live with him ... i.e. where she would sponge up the child support for herself.  She was perfectly fine with that arrangement ... thereby sending her kids off to be subject to "abuse" (this guy should have filed child endangerment charges, since if you claim he was abusing them, why's she sending them over there? -- except that then the kids would have ended up with CPS).  I don't think this TradWife "mom" visited her children, at her divorced husband's place more than 2 or 3 times in about 10 years or so.  Instead she spent the husband's child support on her and her adulterous concubine, shacked up in a house that he had paid for and that she got.  But he was OK with making that sacrifice so that the children could be away from her pernicious influence.

    So, this fantasy land of "effeminate men" causing most marriage problems from Fr. Purdy absolutely discredits him and the SSPX, and this attitude is likely behind what the SSPX did to Mr. Sanborn's family.

    I know I've had this argument before, but this is a case where married men (married priest or even just a lay consultant) would be in a MUCH BETTER situation to do marriage counseling, etc. than these celibate priests, who in their minds perhaps liken all women to reflections of Our Lady, due to their inexperience with them, unaware of how many of them are very adept at manipulation, and so they fall victim to their wiles, where the SSPX priest undoubtedly went over to Mrs. Sanborn's house and was met with great sobbing, wailing, moaning, many tears, and gnashing of teeth ... as she describe the unspeakable abuse to which she and the children had been subject.  Then, after she sensed the priest(s) buying her version of events, she'll lighten up, acting happy and comforted, and even smiling at the priests, thanking them effusively for helping her in her dire predicament (also engaging that instinct of males to help women in distress and emotionally getting them attached to her), reinforcing their buy-in to her story.  Said women undoubtedly also practiced what even the courts have acknowledge and termed "parental alienation" by poisoning the kids against the father.  When the father is away at work, the mother can get to work programming the kids, explaining how the wicked and abusive husband and father is really the cause of all their troubles, and then convinces the children that the father abuses them.  In fact, I knew of one case where the mother smacked the kids around orders of magnitude more than the husband every spanked them ... where I personally witnessed her smacking them up with the slightest provocation, with the husband pleading for her to have a bit of restraint ... and then had the temerity not only to claim abuse of the children, but then had coached the children to make the same accusation.  Years later, the kids often feel guilty and then recant, explaining they had been told to say that by their mother, sometimes because the mother claimed that if they did not, they would end up in foster homes.  In one of the most egregious cases of "parental alienation", this actually happened to one of my brothers, whom some of you know well ... where during a visitation shortly after the divorce proceedings, my brother, who's about the most gentle individual you'd ever meet, had a restraining order filed on him and could only visit the children supervised at a police station ... and so one time my brother took some cookies for the kids.  Then, one of the kids, looked over to his mother before accepting the cookie, but was extremely nervous about accepting it.  She nodded her assent, and despite that he still appeared rather reluctant.  Now, my brother couldn't figure out what was going on.  Well, on a later visit, one of the kids spilled the beans and blurted it out that the TradWife mom (mover and shaker at an SSPX chapel after said divorce) had told them that my brother and his mom (my mom / her mother-in-law) had been poisoning their food trying to kill them.  True story.  I kid you not.  So these TradWives that Fr. Purdy puts up on a pedestal ... these preists are gullible, naive, get easily played by these master manipulators and, yes, LIARS.  Many of these women will shamelessly lie like it's going out of style, slandering and calumniating their husbands.  And the SSPX priests probably just lap it up, being manipulated by the poor woman in distress, expecting them to ride in like White Knights to save them ... and they oblige.  They should let experienced marriage counselors make assessments of situations before passing judgment.  They should also interview third parties, instead of attempting to resolve the he-said-she-said on their own, knowing that both sides are likely exaggerating culpability and one or the other side or both will lie.

    I do hope that Mr. Sanborn wins the lawsuit and makes SSPX feel the pain, and force them to think twice about wrecking families.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #27 on: September 07, 2025, 11:59:46 AM »
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  • Not only are the women (that Ladislaus refers to, who divorced their husbands) evil and trying to fool God that they aren't evil, who do they think they're kidding?

    Do none of them have any children? Don't you think the children will be affected by this horrible example?

    Just for starters, it's difficult to look at your children with a straight face and say you love them, while hating/wronging their father, WHO IS HALF OF WHO THEY ARE.

    When a mother rejects the father, or the father rejects the mother, you're rejecting HALF OF YOUR KIDS SUBSTANCE. Remember that. They are a lot like BOTH PARENTS. And don't think the kids don't know that, at least deep down. Regardless of how "amicable" the divorce/separation was. If you could stand them at all, you'd still be together. And you're not. So you are annoyed/disgusted/whatever by your ex-spouse -- which means those children who have many of the same looks, mannerisms, habits, personality, strengths/weaknesses, etc. are going to be equally annoying, disgusting, etc.

    Again, kids understand this IMPLICITLY without being able to put it into words. But it's why divorce is forbidden by God. Because it ruins children's lives. It causes depression, under-achievement, daddy issues, and a countless train of other evils.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #28 on: September 07, 2025, 12:47:46 PM »
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  • Not only are the women (that Ladislaus refers to, who divorced their husbands) evil and trying to fool God that they aren't evil, who do they think they're kidding?

    Do none of them have any children? Don't you think the children will be affected by this horrible example?

    Just for starters, it's difficult to look at your children with a straight face and say you love them, while hating/wronging their father, WHO IS HALF OF WHO THEY ARE.

    When a mother rejects the father, or the father rejects the mother, you're rejecting HALF OF YOUR KIDS SUBSTANCE. Remember that. They are a lot like BOTH PARENTS. And don't think the kids don't know that, at least deep down. Regardless of how "amicable" the divorce/separation was. If you could stand them at all, you'd still be together. And you're not. So you are annoyed/disgusted/whatever by your ex-spouse -- which means those children who have many of the same looks, mannerisms, habits, personality, strengths/weaknesses, etc. are going to be equally annoying, disgusting, etc.

    Again, kids understand this IMPLICITLY without being able to put it into words. But it's why divorce is forbidden by God. Because it ruins children's lives. It causes depression, under-achievement, daddy issues, and a countless train of other evils.

    Excluding extreme cases, people who divorce don't care for their children. If they did, they would not divorce.

    Divorce hits children the hardest, but the divorcees are also affected. How many practice continence for the rest of their lives? Chances are that they will go into adultery and die in this sad state.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #29 on: September 07, 2025, 01:39:40 PM »
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  • Also, lawyers will prolong the divorce court process for as much as possible so they can rake in that dough. The whole system is designed to benefit the system. It’s not good to involve the government in your intimate, private life like this. Alimony/child support can also be taxed in some places. 

    If the divorce wasn’t amicable, the children end up getting the one-sided version of why the marriage ended up broken, particularly from the mom. “Your dad was abusive to me. He was a deadbeat”, etc. and if they are very young, can have that perspective of their dad being a loser. Oh and he doesn’t even get them full-time.