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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2015, 10:47:13 PM »
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    Nickolas

    How I wish Bishop Fellay would say he would have nothing to do with the Modernists.


    But if he said that he would sound like Archbishop Lefebvre and I think that is the last person he wants to sound like.  I don't know if I should tell this story or not but years ago after a long talk that Bishop Fellay gave at our chapel, I went to him and told him how well he fit the shoes of the Archbishop (I was stupid then).  Possibly he didn't get what I said but his reaction I will never forget.  He shivered and gave me a scornful look.  To this day I don't know if he misunderstood me or was insulted by what I considered a great compliment.  

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    « Reply #31 on: August 11, 2015, 11:15:09 PM »
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    NO Bishop Schneider has been exposed here, thank God we can see it. But for those we encounter who will be taken in by his silky speak, I feel this is the smoking gun which incriminates this NO Bishop and the SSPX leadership:


    "To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are"



    And again, I believe the entire charade of the no bishops visiting the seminaries, the subsequent Bishop Fellay interview and now Bishop Schneider's interview is not to inform Rome, but to get the sheep ready to "walk through the gate".  All this is to try to convince supporters to keep giving, obeying, and be ready when the gate is opened.  Then walk in. This is diabolical.

    Yes, yes, there are adherents to an accord that will say this view is negative and you know, they are right.  The word "no" is not heard much any more, nor any other absolutes that were common to Archbishop Lefebvre's dialogue.  I read his books now and they are a breath of fresh air compared to the mealy mouthed dialogue of SSPX leadership and now commonly its priests.









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    « Reply #32 on: August 12, 2015, 09:06:22 AM »
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  • https://harvestingthefruit.com/a-pendulum-people-we-are/

    Thought this was well done even if the author (Louie Verrecchio) doesn't get it all right.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #33 on: August 12, 2015, 09:19:51 AM »
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  • What do you think about this from Fr. Cyprian? Where does he stand now?


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    « Reply #34 on: August 12, 2015, 09:20:06 AM »
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    NO Bishop Schneider has been exposed here, thank God we can see it.



    And then we have those who wish for this man to be Pope (much like a Burke).  All that would give us is another Benedict which in my estimation is a lot more dangerous than a Francis.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #35 on: August 12, 2015, 09:29:03 AM »
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  • Excerpt from Dominicans of Avrille article "Society of Saint Pius X: visits of prelates

    Bishop Athanasius Schneider:

    The 53 year old Bishop Schneider is the auxiliary Bishop of Astana in Kazakhstan since February 5, 2011.

    According to Sandro Magister, the well-known Vatican insider, L’Homme Nouveau number 1500 considers the Bishop to be “the best student of Benedict XVI”.  During the symposium Reunicatho held in Paris in January of 2014, Bishop Schneider made a resounding appeal for the reform as set out by Benedict XVI.  At various points of his intervention, Bishop Schneider stated his position on the principal points of today’s question.

        The Council:

            "It is the Vatican II Council that gave a wider understanding of the Mystery of the Church according to the Teaching of the Fathers of the Church […]. Thus, the Church has been seen as “a people made one with the unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Lumen Gentium 4) 2.

    This is what Archbishop Lefebvre thought of this ecclesiology:

        "There is a new ecclesiology, that is clear.[…] In my opinion, this is exceptionally grave: it is absolutely impossible to say that there could be a new ecclesiology. We do not make the Church nor have we made the Church, and neither the pope, the bishops, history nor councils make the Church. She was made by Our Lord. […] This does not depend on us. Now, how can they say, all of a sudden: “Now because of Vatican II, there is a new ecclesiology”? It’s incredible." 3

        Ecumenism:

            "Ecumenism is necessary in order to be in contact with our separated brethren and in order to love them. From the depth of the challenge offered to us by the new paganism, we may and we must collaborate with non-Catholics who seriously wish to defend the revealed Divine Truth [which they reject!] and the Natural Law that God created [which they do not observe!]" 4.

        Bishop Schneider is actively involved in the ecumenical movement in Kazakhstan, as shown by this photo published by the official website of the Canadian government. It was taken on March 18th, 2013 during an ecumenical meeting at the Canadian Embassy in Astana, gathering together the different Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox (schismatic) and Jewish “religious leaders” of Kazakhstan.

        On July 5, 2009, the French conciliar catholic newspaper La Croix (The Cross) published the following statement of Bishop Schneider during an interreligious “encounter” in Astana :

           “Anything that can bring about a mutual knowledge and respect between religions is a good thing.”

        It is important to note that a “parliament of religions” is held every year in Astana.


    03-18-2013:Mgr Schneider meets with various “religious leaders” of Kazakhstan.

       
        Pope Francis

    In the same interview of May 30, 2014, with the Latin Mass Society, speaking of Pope Francis one year into his reign, Bishop Schneider said:

        "Let us be grateful to God that Pope Francis has not spoken in the manner that was expected by the media. Up to now, he expresses in all his official homilies the beautiful Catholic doctrine."

    Bishop Schneider would do well to read the study done two months earlier by Alexander-Marie in Les Editions Du Sel and also published in Clovis: The strange reign of Pope Francis. The study reveals what the Pope believes on Islam, on Judaism, on laicizing of the State, on homosexuality and even on Freemasonry – in short – so much for “the beautiful Catholic doctrine”.

        The Liturgical Reform:

    In his work, Corpus Christi 5, which is widely spread among those in favor of a regularization, Bishop Schneider sees that at the heart of the current problem is the lack of reverence during the distribution of communion:

        "The deepest wound of the present crisis in the Church is the wound of the Eucharist, the abuses regarding the Blessed Sacrament."


    True, this is extremely grave. However, is not communion in the hand the direct consequence of the New Mass of Paul VI? Bishop Schneider does not question that at all. He even believes – as does his mentor, Benedict XVI – that the New Mass ought to enrich the traditional liturgy:

        "The insertion of some prefaces from the new missal as well as the insertion of new saints into the traditional liturgical calendar [for example Mother Teresa or John-Paul II?] would be a beautiful and a useful initiative." 6

    Let us add at this time that the Mass itself is but one aspect of the conciliar revolution – the most serious is the uncrowning of Our Lord.  We must always come to that because that is at the heart of our fight, just as Archbishop Lefebvre always said:

        "This is why we oppose [the present Rome], and this is why we cannot agree. It is not firstly a question of the Mass, because the Mass is just one of the consequences of the fact that they wanted to get closer to Protestantism and thus to change the worship, the sacraments, the catechism, etc.

        The fundamental opposition between them and us is the Reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  Oportet illum regnare, as St Paul tells us, Our Lord came in order to reign.  They say “No”, and we, we say “Yes” with all the Popes." 7

    In Fideliter of January/February 2015, Fr Toulza addressed the issue:

        "The crisis will not be solved by people who are more or less adequate unless these people renounce their inadequate principles, (he says pointedly). The restoration of the Truth and of the good in the Church has not begun nor will begin unless we question the very principles on which Benedict XVI and Francis both hold to, but each in an undeniably different way." 8

    Re-read also what the Archbishop said:

       " I can hear them say: “You exaggerate! There are many good bishops who pray, who have the Faith, who are edifying, etc”.  Were they saints, as soon as they accept the false Religious Liberty, hence the secular State; false ecumenism, and hence the admission of many ways of salvation; of liturgical reform, and hence of the practical negation of the Sacrifice of the Mass; of the new catechisms with all their errors and heresies, they officially contribute to the revolution within the Church and to its destruction." 9

    Already in the spring of 2014, Bishop Schneider was received at the SSPX seminary in Zaiztkofen by the rector, Fr Schmidberger. While he was there, he gave a conference to the seminarians.

    Within the framework of the meetings requested by Rome last September, two reunions have been scheduled:

        One reunion was to be held at the Saint-Cure d’Ars Seminary in Flavigny (France). This reunion already took place on January 15, 2015, during which Bishop Schneider gave two conferences to the seminarians. He also visited the nearby school of the traditional Dominican teaching sisters of Pouilly-en-Auxois (Congregation of Brignoles), where he gave a conference to the sisters. Before visiting Flavigny, Msgr Schneider had a reunion in the Ecclesia Dei Seminary of The Good Sheperd, in France, where he gave a conference to the seminarians.
        The next reunion was held at the St Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona (U.S.A.) in February, where he met 80 priests of the U.S. District.

    Surprisingly enough, no announcement has yet been made of a visit to Ecône.

    The relatively young Bishop Schneider, who is friendly with the Ecclesia Dei circles, is opposed to communion in the hand, does not mince words about the last synod, and likes the splendor and pomp of the traditional liturgy, and yet is imbued with “the strange theology” of Benedict XVI of whom he is considered the “best student”, no doubt has the ability to seduce more than one seminarian… or priest.

    2. Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Interview with a French newspaper, Présent, January 10, 2015
    3. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Spiritual Conference, Ecône, March 17, 1986.
    4. Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Interview with the La­tin Mass Society, May 30, 2014.
    5. Athanasius Schneider, Corpus Christi, La communion dans la main au coeur de la crise dans l’Eglise, Editions Contretemps, 2014. Preface from Cardinal Burke.
    6. La Lettre de Paix Liturgique (a French “conservative” conciliar review) number 249, September 24, 2010.
    7. Archbishop Lefebvre, The Church infiltrated by Modernism, Editions Fideliter 1993, p. 70.
    8. Fr. Philippe Toulza, “the Tradition, the Church, the world”, Fideliter 223, January/February 2015, p. 70.
    9. Archbishop Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, Prologue.

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    « Reply #36 on: August 12, 2015, 09:49:30 AM »
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  • Some of the formatting of the original post from the Dominican's website did not get copied correctly in the above post and I ran out of time to edit it properly before the time was up. Go to the link provided for the correct context of the article, in particular the quote of Bishop Athanasius Schneider on Ecumenism that immediately follows a quote of Archbishop Lefebvre where it is not clear that the quote is from Schneider but should be clear if one looks at the footnotes. Also the Dominicans added comments in brackets in some of Bishop Athanasius Schneider's quotes that should not have been put in bold by me.  

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    « Reply #37 on: August 12, 2015, 03:45:07 PM »
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  • This information put out by the Dominicans of Avrille deserves wide distribution.  Many are uninformed about Bishop Schneider and only believe the hype coming from the SSPX.  These truths about him will never be seen on any Society website.  We can't just assume that people can see through the deception that is being launched against them by the Society.  Unfortunately, they can't.  


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    « Reply #38 on: August 12, 2015, 07:37:17 PM »
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  • Thank you John Steven, you are a good man.

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    « Reply #39 on: August 12, 2015, 09:32:46 PM »
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  • This is a very important read. Everyone should familiarize himself with this illustrious bishop being held up as so "conservative".
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    « Reply #40 on: August 13, 2015, 09:09:48 AM »
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  • "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C.

         25 Mar 1990 - Ordained "Priest"

         2 Jun 2006 - Ordained "Bishop"


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    « Reply #41 on: August 13, 2015, 09:17:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ferdinand
    "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C.

         25 Mar 1990 - Ordained "Priest"

         2 Jun 2006 - Ordained "Bishop"


    Doubtful Bishop at best.  Thanks for this reminder.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #42 on: August 14, 2015, 11:50:53 AM »
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    What do you think about this from Fr. Cyprian? Where does he stand now?



    This is a great sermon; both thought provoking and inspiring.  Archbishop Lefebvre would be most pleased to hear the strong message given here to all of us.  Thanks for posting this and "Thank you", Fr. Cyprian for your love of Truth.  


     

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