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Author Topic: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)  (Read 1854 times)

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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #50 on: Today at 01:01:10 AM »

"What becomes of the Church if the popes from John XXIII to Francis are not popes? Are the cardinals appointed by them not cardinals? Who, then, will elect the pope? How can there be a pope again? This seems to jeopardise the very existence of the Church. The best course is to await the judgement that the Church will one day deliver, defining and resolving this question."

Goodness gracious... the "false throne" was predicted to happen... and it happened.  

Your Excellency, get over it:facepalm:

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #51 on: Today at 01:07:27 AM »
The whole vagus priest argument is stupid.  Every Trad priest is a vagus priest.  Fr Chazal is “under a bishop” in the resistance but he’s in India and a few 1,000 miles away from his “bishop”.  Practically speaking, he’s on his own. 

Don't agree.  There are many priests who are vagus in that they refuse obedience and fraternal formation.

Many independent priest like to imagine they are functioning as their own "resistance", but they are not.  They are vagus.

Whatever one might think of the SSPX's priest and the SSPV, they have this obedience and fraternal formation.


Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #52 on: Today at 02:05:35 AM »
What about Bp. Sanborn’s Sedeprivationism?  I do not thoroughly understand it, but what I do grasp of it is sort of a middle ground between R & R and absolute Sedevacantism.  The only thing that concerns me is that I’ve yet to see a string basis in Tradition or Scripture. 

I’m not #3, neither able to support the heresies of the Conciliar Church, the novus ordo, nor am I the blind follower of a vagus guru, a cult of personality. I have read dozens of books, but I certainly don’t consider myself an ecclesiastical scholar!  

I unfortunately see a parallel between a few devoted followers of Archbishop LeFebvre (May he Rest In Peace) and the more fanatical members of Chabad, (the 770 tunnelers!), who are still awaiting their deceased Rebbe, Menachem Schneerson, to rise bodily from his grave in Queens, NY and proclaim himself the Moschiach.  

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #53 on: Today at 04:33:06 AM »
Your whole criticizem sounds like you are a sede. The sede population is disorganized and they reject authority, they can't really understand resistance.
The sspx resistance stems from the sspx authority no longer following the line of Archbishop Lefebvre.  Now sspx priests who claim to be in the resistance that use the pre55 are no longer following the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Period.

Your problem is twofold.

What archbishop Lefebvre did for the sspx was not necessarily for those tradition outside of the sspx.

Two, the small matter of another bishop that existed after the bishops death, by the name of bishop williamson. Ever heard of him?

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #54 on: Today at 04:36:40 AM »
We read in the St Andrew's daily missal (1962) today, the feast of St Benedict:
"At all the turning points of history, God raises up great saints to ensure the fulfilment of the Church's mission for the souls of men."

For those who have eyes to see, the eyes of faith, this is surely the case with Archbishop Lefebvre par excellence. We rightly see in the Archbishop and his work, his doctrine, his positions on the crisis, the hand of Divine Providence, something that is above mere personal opinion.

Here is more wisdom from Bishop Thomas Aquinas in this statement from 2024 reflecting on Archbishop Vigano and sedevacantism:

https://www.mosteirodasantacruz.org/post/dom-vigan%C3%B2-dom-lefebvre-e-o-sedevacantismo

Archbishop Viganò behaved like a true hero from the moment he understood or began to understand the moral and doctrinal decomposition of the conciliar Church. Unfortunately, he seems to lean towards the sedevacantist position. Time will reveal better what his true position is.

As for Archishop Lefebvre, he had already begun this fight against the conciliar Church in circuмstances far more decisive than those of today. He had gained the trust of the faithful throughout the world, because of the solidity of his formation and the superiority of his prudence. His prudence made him avoid at the same time the ralliements of the Ecclesia Dei communities and the error of sedevacantism. With precision, he showed how Dom Gérard and others were committing ѕυιcιdє by placing themselves under the authority of the modernists, and how the sedevacantists, in turn, were putting themselves in a position as uncertain as it was dangerous, affirming more than the teachings of the Church allow.

Some think that Archbishop Lefebvre today would be a sedevacantist. I do not believe that to be the case. In fact, I believe the opposite.  I believe that the arguments he put forward during his lifetime remain as valid and relevant today as ever. His arguments are simple. What becomes of the Church if the popes from John XXIII to Francis are not popes? Are the cardinals appointed by them not cardinals? Who, then, will elect the pope? How can there be a pope again? This seems to jeopardise the very existence of the Church. The best course is to await the judgement that the Church will one day deliver, defining and resolving this question.

Faced with the divergence of ideas and practices within Tradition, I see only one sensible course of action: to preserve and pass on what we received from Archbishop Lefebvre, both from a doctrinal and a prudential point of view. But many will say: prudence takes into account the change in circuмstances between the state of crisis in Archbishop Lefebvre’s time and the present day. Yes, there have been some changes, but they are not essential. The essence of the crisis remains the same.

Just as with the Arian crisis, which lasted around 60 years, this crisis drags on without any fundamental change. That is why the example of Archbishop Lefebvre remains relevant today.

May Our Lady, who has overcome all heresies, obtain for us the grace to overcome the attacks of the devil and the modernists.



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