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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 09:55:24 AM »
You make it sound like there are many "resistance" options for a young man to join a seminary today.

How much "division" is there in the resistance in terms of *seminaries*?

Oh there are plenty of "independent priests" -- but they don't have any seminaries. A single priest, or a group of a few priests (friendly to one another) doesn't have the personnel or resources to start a seminary.

Lets drill down into that one. Let's double click on that.
Maybe I wasn't very clear. By going to a Resistance seminary you are going to become a vagus priest, unless you join the Dominicans at Avrillé, which has a structure. Some from Mgr Faure's seminary have joined Avrillé. There is a very good school at Avrillé and almost all the boys consider at least at some stage, whether or not they have a vocation. The option of becoming a vagus priest or staying at Avrillé is the options that they see. And these two paths are not appealing to all.

I'm thinking about the next generation of priests not this one.  

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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 09:58:52 AM »
Maybe I wasn't very clear. By going to a Resistance seminary you are going to become a vagus priest, unless you join the Dominicans at Avrillé, which has a structure. Some from Mgr Faure's seminary have joined Avrillé. There is a very good school at Avrillé and almost all the boys consider at least at some stage, whether or not they have a vocation. The option of becoming a vagus priest or staying at Avrillé is the options that they see. And these two paths are not appealing to all.

I'm thinking about the next generation of priests not this one. 

If old-school SSPX (today it would be called "Resistance", "SAJM", etc) is considered "vagus" then there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a vagus priest.

Because we are not living in normal times. Jurisdiction (authority) comes in second after the Faith itself. That is the founding principle of the Traditional Movement.

If a priest being part of a structure (but still without any actual "jurisdiction" or authority flowing down from the Pope) is the same as absolute vagus (being an independent priest, his own boss, a law unto himself) then I guess we're stuck with vagus priests as the ONLY option for a good priest, during this Crisis in the Church.


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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 10:04:11 AM »
So let's list the Trad groups that Tom hates with a passion and is inordinately opposed to.
1.  +Thuc line sede priests.
2.  The sspx-Resistance.

That's about 50% of Tradition, with the new-sspx being the other 50%.  I guess Tom is "all in" on +Fellay, new-rome and making a deal with V2.

No, he's pretty strongly against the neo-SSPX.
If you look at his posts, I would place his allegiance with Bp. Ballini, Bp Morgan, and a firm commitment to fully "independent" priests.

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 10:13:06 AM »
If old-school SSPX (today it would be called "Resistance", "SAJM", etc) is considered "vagus" then there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a vagus priest.

Because we are not living in normal times. Jurisdiction (authority) comes in second after the Faith itself. That is the founding principle of the Traditional Movement.

If a priest being part of a structure (but still without any actual "jurisdiction" or authority flowing down from the Pope) is the same as absolute vagus (being an independent priest, his own boss, a law unto himself) then I guess we're stuck with vagus priests as the ONLY option for a good priest, during this Crisis in the Church.
Not exactly. The SSPX evolved towards a single structure quite fast, whilst the Resistance has split into several groups that don't get on, but all claim to follow in the footsteps of Mgr Lefevre. 

I am providing anecdotal evidence from the schoolboys of Avrillé, that this is not condusive to vocations. Make of this what you will.   

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 11:23:17 AM »
No, he's pretty strongly against the neo-SSPX.
If you look at his posts, I would place his allegiance with Bp. Ballini, Bp Morgan, and a firm commitment to fully "independent" priests.
And bishop stobnicki.
I am not against groups, but just that they have a limited role.
Bishop Williamson thought the exact same thing