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Author Topic: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)  (Read 1377 times)

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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 05:50:45 AM »
I think its important to point out that there is a HUGE difference between having a public disagreement on some theological point, and dissociating from them.

The former puts the difference to one side, while the latter is very real and tangible in terms of action and work.

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Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 06:00:00 AM »
I think its important to point out that there is a HUGE difference between having a public disagreement on some theological point, and dissociating from them.

The former puts the difference to one side, while the latter is very real and tangible in terms of action and work.
Remember that you're operating off of an AI translation. Here's a different one.

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However, can we associate ourselves with what we usually call the Resistance? It is undeniable that Monsignor Faure received the episcopate from His Excellency Monsignor Williamson.


However, we differ on several points.


- Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's Declaration of November 21, 1974, is the charter of our resistance, the declaration of fidelity to the positions of the Fraternity and its regulation or application ; however, several priests of the so-called Resistance have distanced themselves from it.


In this declaration of fidelity, Monsignor asked the candidate for the diaconate to commit to three things: to pray publicly for the reigning pope, to quote him in the canon of the Mass ( una cuм papa nostro ...), and finally to accept the liturgy of 1962.


- Archbishop Lefebvre never ordained seminarians without them being integrated into a structure. He did not want to train independent priests.


Several priests or bishops in the Resistance believe they should not follow Monsignor on these points.


What motivates us is not the fight against this or that priestly or religious society, but remaining faithful to the Church of all time. Now, this fidelity, in practice, is realized by following the example and struggle of Archbishop Lefebvre, whom Providence has raised up for us as a guide to remain faithful. Therefore, we will only have credibility to the extent that we are faithful to the thought and legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, to his struggle.


What the faithful expect from us is that we continue Archbishop Lefebvre's operation of survival.


May Our Lady help us all to be fully faithful to the legacy that Archbishop Lefebvre left us, to his struggle, to his spirit.



Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 06:44:26 AM »
Many Americans may not be aware that there has been for a while effectively two resistances in France.

Some priests dont even talk to each other. It's really intense.
More than two I suspect. There's Abbé Pivert, who has his own seminary and had a priest ordained after 4 years. There's Avrillé, which tries as best it can to accomodate  the different resistances, and is therefore criticised by all them, especially as Avrillé keeps in touch discretely with certain SSPX priestsand the Dominican nuns who run many SSPX schools, many of whom quietly support the resistance. There's l'Abbé Salenave who very faithful to the legacy of Mgr Williamson who has his own chapel at Saint Aignan. There's l'Abbé Rioult also who has his own group.  

At Mgr Williamson's funeral, Bishop Morgan hinted at the differences in the resistance which he hoped would be patched up. 

For our young men who are considering vocations, Econe still seems to be the best option, simply for the reason that once ordained they don't become vagus priests.  


Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 06:48:01 AM »
Remember that you're operating off of an AI translation. Here's a different one.
That, and the part you highlighted is not really significant to what the matter at hand it.

I say so in a tone of kindness.

Re: SAJM leaves the resistance??? (Apostles of Jesus and Mary)
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 06:54:48 AM »
"What motivates us is not the fight against this or that priestly or religious society, but remaining faithful to the Church of all time. Now, this fidelity, in practice, is realized by following the example and struggle of Archbishop Lefebvre, whom Providence has raised up for us as a guide to remain faithful. Therefore, we will only have credibility to the extent that we are faithful to the thought and legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, to his struggle.


What the faithful expect from us is that we continue Archbishop Lefebvre's operation of survival.


May Our Lady help us all to be fully faithful to the legacy that Archbishop Lefebvre left us, to his struggle, to his spirit."


BRAVO!