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Offline Neil Obstat

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  • Quote from: songbird
    I say that Bishop Fellay will be auxillary Bishop over the VA seminary and will teach them to take on the ancient rite (mess) that is Latin but no words of consecration.



    Well, at least you're answering the OP Question, songbird.  

    I don't settle well with your answer, but it is an answer.

    I would expect that if a 'deal' is made with modernist
    Rome, all 3 current 'active' ExSPX bishops will be sidelined.  

    The Vatican will go through the Society dossiers with a
    fine-toothed comb, and every priest with serious
    traditional leanings will be moth-balled.  +TdM will be
    retired, and +AdG will be gradually phased out.  But HEBF
    will be given some kind of gold-filled ornament position
    which will give him the opportunity to smile and continue
    giving boring speeches, but they won't be for 3 or 4 hours
    anymore. He'll have to trim it back to one hour max, lest
    there be "consequences."  Then the gold plating will show
    signs of wear and the base metal will corrode, leaving
    HEBF with a highly unattractive situation, but he will be
    stuck like a fly in a spider's web, with no means of escape.

    IOW, he'll feel the pinch of oppression like the Society
    priests are feeling now, under him.  What goes around
    comes around.  It will be God's mercy to him so he can
    then do penance for his staggering offenses against
    goodness and right justice, if he only recognizes it as such.



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    Offline ggreg

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  • It depends what the sell out consists of.

    It's likely to be pretty subjective when and if it happens.

    I think the resistance's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness.  It is full of people with very strong opinions who are quick to decide that no compromise is acceptable.

    With the SSPX back under Roman control there will be no common enemy to give unity to the resistance.  Different parts of the resistance will then "out resist" each other because it is in their nature to do that.


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  • Quote from: ggreg
    It depends what the sell out consists of.

    It's likely to be pretty subjective when and if it happens.

    I think the resistance's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness.  It is full of people with very strong opinions who are quick to decide that no compromise is acceptable.

    With the SSPX back under Roman control there will be no common enemy to give unity to the resistance.  Different parts of the resistance will then "out resist" each other because it is in their nature to do that.
    I hope most Resistance supports or trads in general aren't there because of a common enemy. It seems like it's disturbed people who need that, create it, or only  get along (at least superficially) with others when they have that.

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  • Most Trad conversations in the Tea-room and on this and other Catholic forums are about them and us or us versus the world.

    It's self evident that most Trads of all colours think like this.  Humans are inherently tribal.

    Offline Elsa Zardini

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  • There is no need to a formal agreement. It’s all in the open now for Priests/laity to decide which path they take. Zeitun said this in very few words, that the deal was done in 2012 or similar, but can’t search for more than 30” in “members” to find it and reproduce it here. Charlotte NC Bill is saying here more or less the same thing Zeitun said. Emerentiana is explaining very well the tactic used which was analyzed some months ago in cathInfo: “crimestop”, “crimethink”, “thoughtcrime”, etc. applied to good Priests. Very convincing and I can testify to it. Hence, the urgency to rescue these good Priests.

    +AdG will be given a raise rather than being “phased out” (Neil). Probably in Spain which will be in charge of Latin America when the six world protectorates are finally established by the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr headed by Pope Emeritus (please note that I am not calling him anymore serpent Rat-improving).

    HEBF will be appointed Cardinal to head all Ecclesia Dei congregations (“integrate integrists to disintegrate them” – not mine) with the illusion of becoming Pope, which will not happen because Bishop Pancho (as he wants to be called) will not give the present of his post to HEBF. Punk Müller will be given another duty according to his punk status. Ethelred here in cathInfo went at great length to explain how and why HEBF was a last minute addition (Mr. Lovely/Lovey). Ethelred very convincing to me.  Naturally, at the time ABL did not know: facing the whole world.

    ggreg:  your opinion of the Holy Resistance is very low unless I am misunderstanding you being English not my native language. I don't know, so better I don’t give my opinion (Tiffany said it and very politely) except to say thank you God Triune and Our Holy Mother that the Holy Resistance “is full of people with very strong opinions who are quick to decide that no compromise is acceptable”.

    Songbird: “but no words of consecration”. Most relevant issue.  Some people I know remain in the XSPX just because “mientras consagren…” (as long as they consecrate...) Do accordists Priests do? Only God knows. But their doctrine (“d” minuscule) is enough for me.  




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  • Rome had continued to close down churches and schools during the talks with sspx.  It is proof that Rome had other plans for sspx.

    We have empty seminaries all over so why build new one in Va.


    The deal to sell out was long before 2012.
    May God bless you and keep you

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  • The leadership did sell out but Rome changed the goal posts. Hence the resistance. Rome has only to allow a morsel of criticism of V2 in theory and Bp. F will be off to the tailor for his new robes. Huge problems though would ensue in getting all the districts and parishes to integrate with their respective dioceses, as Fr. Cekada predicted. This is where the Society would fall apart; its relationship with the local churches rather than with Rome. ABL's high principles would be reduced to so much squabbling at local level. I am sure Bp. F knows this and yet would see his remnant broken in this way.

    The behaviour of the average priest and parishioner is crucial. The monthly cheque, pension and Sunday Mass are important attractions in maintaining the status quo. If these remain undisturbed, how the leadership postions the Society within the mainstream is of less concern. But if even the appearance of tradition is in jeopardy, folk may become a little uneasy and set off a storm. The result would be more independent parishes in conservative areas.

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  • Quote from: Wessex
    The leadership did sell out but Rome changed the goal posts.  
     I'm sure recently Bp F had bad intentions, or at least he is influenced or under duress by those that do, like with expelling Bp W.

    I'm not very familiar with the politics, but I wondered the same. Like Bp F doesn't know you can't make a deal with the devil. I do wonder if Bp F gave Rome more credit than they deserve and doesn't see he is being played, they aren't honest. Maybe he is a brainwashed believing them to be sincere  or maybe he sees it now and needs an out.


    Offline Elsa Zardini

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  • Yes, Viva Cristo Rey: "The deal to sell out was long before 2012": 1994 (as predicted by +W at that time- this is in "un eveque s'est leve"). But, who was listening to +W in 1994? I don't know. Very few Priests, probably only one, I'd say, but always with the hope that it was not as bad as we now know it is. Myself, I started to listen to +W in 2001 and just by chance (through a friend family who called my attention to his February 2001 Letter). It seems to me that everything came to public light for everybody to see in 2012 and hence no excuse now ("I didn't know" or similar)

    As to the new seminar...just by taking a look at the maquette..."Seminar under Transition" ? (Neil's, I believe) and the happy face of HEBF in the golf car...