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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: songbird on June 22, 2025, 08:15:12 PM
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A seminarian (group?) is ordained. After say 2years the priest is in disagreement with his traditional Bishop over people being able to attend a different traditional group and says he is now independent, but says he still can be open to traditional Bishop for advise. Hm? If he is disobedient ? is his sacraments valid.
I would think so, but seems very awkward. I would think, a priest would choose one or the other traditional group.
What are your thoughts? Maybe I might need to be clearer in explaining.
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As long as he was validly ordained..yes.
Traditional bishops were not consecrated, or chosen to be consecrated, by anyone with authority. They are simply preserving the priesthood and apostolic succession. If a priest has disagreements with a bishop they are associated with I think they are free to go "independent", the Bishop does not have any authority over them as far as I know
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If his ordination is valid, the sacraments that he confers are valid, as long as he uses the traditional rites.
What he does after ordination, whatever disagreements he has with any person, bishop, priest or laity, does not affect the validity of the sacraments.
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Trad bishops have no authority, no jurisdiction even if elected or selected as superior of such-and-such society or congregation because trad religious congregations have no canonical personhood or standing contrary to any trad bishop's claim. Trad bishops, all trad clergy are merely sacramental pez dispensers during this time of crisis in the Church.
And, yes, the priest's sacraments would be valid. In fact, invalidating a sacrament takes a little effort since one would need to recompose the sacramental form or seek out matter other than what is prescribed.
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Trad bishops have no authority, no jurisdiction even if elected or selected as superior of such-and-such society or congregation because trad religious congregations have no canonical personhood or standing contrary to any trad bishop's claim. Trad bishops, all trad clergy are merely sacramental pez dispensers during this time of crisis in the Church.
And, yes, the priest's sacraments would be valid. In fact, invalidating a sacrament takes a little effort since one would need to recompose the sacramental form or seek out matter other than what is prescribed.
This. Which means there is no more authority? Unless, you want to take a trip down R&R lane which is full of contradictions
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Yes, if the priest/bishop is valid, so are his Sacraments. I could be wrong, but I do not see how a priest/bishop without “normal” jurisdiction has the authority to bind the consciences of laity to only receive Sacraments or hear Mass from himself and/or his priests. If said bishop is running a seminary and ordaining priests, I do believe he may, by authority of natural law, require his priests/religious to conform to his or his organization’s position on different matters. Of course, if a bishop insists upon binding the consciences of lay people, then he can expect to serve a very select, limited group of people, the more restrictive the rules, the smaller the group of parishioners. At a certain point, he will end up with a cult of personality that will splinter in many directions and/or die out with him.
Conversely, no rules or total laxity will result in anything goes, no difference from the world, in which case, why bother at all?
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Thank you for all your replies!