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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Amicus24 on July 03, 2012, 08:21:33 AM
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Updated 7/8/2012
Clarification: These priests have all publicly acted on our behalf by in some way publicly opposing the actions of Menzingen towards regularization.
Note: Please contact me privately (or post in the thread) if you have the contact info for any priest on this list. While it is probably best not to post the specific information at this point, in the case of a priest being expelled or the SSPX breaking apart, we will quickly be able to get in contact with these priests and coordinate where they are and what they need.
1). Fr. Ernesto Cardozo (Currently in Mexico) – Contact Info Available
2). Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out
3). Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz (Italy) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available
4). Fr. Basilio Meramo (Colombia) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available
5). Fr. Francis Chazal (Philippines)
6). Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available
7). Fr. Paul Morgan (UK)
8). His Lordship, Bishop Richard Williamson (UK) - Contact Info Available
9). Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani (Argentina) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out
10). Fr. Juan Jose Turco (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out
11). Fr. Curzio Notiglia (Italy) - Contact Info Available
12). Fr. Joven Soliman (Philippines) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available
13). Mosteiro de Santa Cruz (Brazil) - (Benedictines attached to SSPX) - Contact Info Available
14). Fr. Jean de Morgon (OFM Cap) (Aurenque, France)
15). Traditional Capuchins of Morgon, France
16). Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)
17). Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available
18). Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada)
19). His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (France)
20). Fr. A (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contacted
21). Fr. B (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
22). Fr. C (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
23). Fr. Michel Koller (France)
24). Fr. David Hewko (USA)
25). Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)
26). Fr. D (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
27). Fr. Damien Fox (Canada)
28). Fr. Charles Moulin (France) (Did not warn against the regularization, but expressed support for Bishop Williamson and urged him to attend the General Chapter in spite of Menzingen's public ban on his attendance and removal from the Chapter)
29). Fr. Matthew Clifton (United Kingdom)
30). Fr. Anton Trinh (USA) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available
31). Traditional Dominicans of Avrille, France (France) – Contact Info Available
Fr. Matthew Clifton?
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Letter-to-Fr-Thouvenot
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Cross off number 25. He said that he wouldn't have asked Fr. Hewko to give his sermon if he had known what he was going to say. He said you have to follow your general, that he was sorry the letters got leaked, etc etc Still pray for him and all, but I don't know if he belongs on this list with priests who stood up for the fight. Disappointing.
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bvmknight, thanks for the info. I think this just illustrates that we should be mindful of not being overzealous in adding priests to this list. Fr. Reuter never said anything himself and I never should have added him in the first place, regardless of what having Fr. Hewko give that sermon seemed to suggest. This list isn't about giving accolades or compliments, but rather to spiritually support priests who have made it clear by their own statements that they are protecting our souls, come what may and in so doing, have put themselves at risk to some degree, who knows how much. Private comments and things that seem to suggest a viewpoint are not really germane here. Sorry for jumping to conclusions here. Even if Fr. Reuter did actually agree with Fr. Hewko, simply having him give the sermon wouldn't really be relevant to this prayer list.
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I haven't been here in a while and just now saw this written by Amicus24 I think-
"On a side note, and I am not singling you out, but I think we traditional Catholics ought to be very mindful not to allow our own terminology to each other to devolve into worldly rudeness. To use words like "disingenuous" and state that the list has not been "honest" simply should have no place among us. There is a very great difference to the fraternal charity we are supposed to have as Catholics between saying "disingenuous", on the one hand, and "inaccurate in my opinion" or "inadvisable" or "counter-productive" and so forth on the other hand. One questions the honesty, honor and intentions of people and that is not conducive to the kind of spirit we should foster between us. "
I apologize and agree to what you wrote here.
Better wording could have been used on my part. Thank you for your charity and understanding.
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Both Amicus24 and KyrieEleison have expressed the right sentiments. I, for one, very much hope that CathInfo continues, even if there is a split, sadly, but it will provide us with a valuable source of contacts for the 'dark' days ahead. We may well become fragmented around the world and may well need a truly traditional webpage to keep in touch and get important contact information that we can use as to traditional mass centres, traditional priests, etc.
Well done CathInfo for providing this forum, and thank you! God bless you.
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Is there any clergy worth their salt (i.e. faithful to +ABL) in St. Mary's? :pray:
While unlikely (as they would have spoken up already), it would be nice to add someone stationed in Kansas to the list as it would be a consolation to the American faithful.
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Please pray for Fr. Damien Fox. It was publicly announced yesterday from the pulpit by Fr. Jurgen Wegner (SSPX Canadian District Superior) that he will be transferred from Toronto to St. Cesaire in Quebec.
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Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".
Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......
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Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".
Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......
What a load of baloney!
Would you accuse Hilaire Belloc for his courage in standing up against and repeatedly attacking the enemies of the Church in his time (including the warm-kind within), of telling unpleasant truths about society's slide into decadence against the prevailing mood of optimism??
Would you also please apply your marxist technique to the person who has excluded our senior bishop, persecuted our holy priests, sabotaged our religious orders, cuddled with VII and embraced Religious Liberty, so you can find out the logical result you're missing??
We should still pray for traitors but specially for the faithful!!!
Let's have that distinction clear because it is of the most importance in our times.
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baloney, has it occured to you the divide into 2 camps and conquer seems to be going on here??? creating false fights to divide? Interesting, they could not kill the SSPX, now all of sudden, a fissure...not say people in Society not obeying the dividers, but one shuold not be quick to condemn to hell Fellay and others outright.....or call them traitors, even......the idea-get people into camps, pick them off 1 by one,etc.........a lot of time wasted too on in-fighting.....but yes, too many seem willing to do the dirty work, tis true.....
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Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".
Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......
What a load of baloney!
Would you accuse Hilaire Belloc for his courage in standing up against and repeatedly attacking the enemies of the Church in his time (including the warm-kind within), of telling unpleasant truths about society's slide into decadence against the prevailing mood of optimism??
Would you also please apply your marxist technique to the person who has excluded our senior bishop, persecuted our holy priests, sabotaged our religious orders, cuddled with VII and embraced Religious Liberty, so you can find out the logical result you're missing??
We should still pray for traitors but specially for the faithful!!!
Let's have that distinction clear because it is of the most importance in our times.
AntiFellayism,
Conservatives such as Belloc hide behind names of great men to dignify their balony! He and others such as "Secretman" on Angelqueen have for many years paid lip service to the SSPX. They were the ones posting all kind of anti-SSPX articles to get peoples reaction. I tried to warm Angelqueen about them. I did a search of their posts on AQ and found most of them to be in the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg. They do the dirty work for the dioceses and are extremely anti SSPX except that now they are counting on +Fellay to save their reform by bringing the SSPX into "full communion" and into the RR. Should + Fellay (who they just found a new love for) fail to bring the SSPX to Rome, they will despise him again.
Nothing they would like better than the SSPX to go to pieces, unless, that is, + Fellay can deliver it as a whole.
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Greetings in Christ, Belloc,
Perhaps it would be fitting, if you are interested in discussing things like this, if you didn't "dislike" a post. I know that this is a part of the site, but it isn't something that I think promotes brotherhood among the members of the group. It seems particularly out of place considering the tenor of your points.
Perhaps it would also be fitting if you did not label a simple list of priests to pray for as being something that calls for anyone to go to Hell or urging people to not pray for any other priests. Again, I find that a paradox in your comments.
To the contrary of your claims, I and most everyone who opposes regularization I am sure, completely agrees with you that we should pray for all our traditional priests and we should not condemn anyone to Hell. I don't believe anyone has done this that I have read nor advocated that we oughtn't pray for those priests who are pursuing regularization.
That said, it seems perfectly reasonable to remember especially and with greatest devotion in our prayers those priests who are opposing the sell-out. The reasons for this are perfectly unassailable:
1). We pray for them especially because they are risking and in many cases actually suffering persecution from their superiors for their position. This is not something that can be said about those who are supporting regularization, as they are the ones with the power doing the persecuting
2). We pray for them especially because they are defending us from something that we believe would hurt our souls. You may not agree (I don't know if you do or not) that regularization would hurt our souls, but many of us do.
3). We pray for them especially because they are not the ones who are trying to divide the SSPX. They did not banish and persecute the senior Bishop. They did not expel any priests for merely voicing the exact words of Archbishop Lefebvre and the official position that Bishop Fellay once had. They did not make a complete 180 on their position.
Now, I have a challenge for you, Belloc. I would appreciate if you answered these questions, based on the recent exposed letter of Fr. Thouvenot:
1). Do you believe that it would help souls our hurt souls for the SSPX to be limited to where they can preach the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
2). Do you believe that it would help souls or hurt souls for the SSPX priests to be under the authority of pederast and pederast protecting diocesan ordinaries.
3). Do you believe that it would help souls or hurt souls for a portion of your donations to go to the support of the dioceses, who use a large portion of their monies for legal cases defending pedophiles, for private investigators to discredit victims and for real estate marketers to tear down churches and sell church properties?
4). Do you believe that it would help or hurt souls that the SSPX not continue to have their own ecclesiastical tribunals?
5). Do you believe that it would help or hurt souls for the local diocesan ordinary to be able to use SSPX properties for any function he might wish?
6). Do you believe that the structure established by the terms of this letter will make SSPX priests more likely or less likely to criticize modernism?
7). Do you believe that the structure established by the terms of this letter will make families and children more likely or less likely to see Modernism, the Novus Ordo and Vatican II as evil?
I hope and pray you will answer these questions. I do not make any assumptions about what your answers are, though I admit I wonder why a person in good will would use the rhetoric you did to refer to this very simple list of priests to pray for.
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will recuse myself from further SSPX controversies whenever possible, then and just pray for those opposing reunion. Let me know when those stones are available to pillory Fellay with.....
It does seem Fellay is bowing to pressures and too quick to make freinds and make nice with Rome......
that said, I will recuse myself further and pray for Church in general.......hence, no further need to discuss the issue of talks......
thank you for the time you spent in my behalf and the respectful and manly approach, very welcomed :cheers: instead of lashing out :really-mad2: :argue:
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will recuse myself from further SSPX controversies whenever possible, then and just pray for those opposing reunion. Let me know when those stones are available to pillory Fellay with.....
It does seem Fellay is bowing to pressures and too quick to make freinds and make nice with Rome......
that said, I will recuse myself further and pray for Church in general.......hence, no further need to discuss the issue of talks......
thank you for the time you spent in my behalf and the respectful and manly approach, very welcomed :cheers: instead of lashing out :really-mad2: :argue:
Dear Belloc, this is the kind of very concerning behavior that others have noted, i.e. avoiding questions and simply spreading false rhetoric. I am not saying that I know you are intentionally being deceitful but there is a particular pattern of facts that is very troubling:
1). You apply exaggerated rhetoric to describe a simple call to pray for anti-regularization priests.
2). It is reiterated to you that this is not an accurate representation of anyone's position.
3). You are challenged to answer a few simple questions
4). You proceed to not answer them and again use the same rhetoric (pillory Fellay, etc).
This is straight out of the Cass Sunstein handbook of creating cognitive dissonance. I'm not saying you are a government operative (although, who knows?) But, I am saying, for your benefit if you are a traditional Catholic who cares about his eternal salvation, that what you are doing when you come here and inaccurately label our position in an inflammatory way and continue to do so despite being shown that it is inaccurate is, whether you intend to or not, a serious deceit. It is a lie that serves the purpose of making your targets seem over-radicalized and so, marginalized and on the defensive. Again, this is all the exact strategy advocated by Cass Sunstein to neutralize unfavorable opinions in the public.
This is why it would be reasonable to believe that you MAY BE an employed shill for a diocese or Menzingen. But, my guess is that you are simply an indultarian traditional Catholic supporter of regularization. If you are, I again challenge you, answer the questions I posed. If you choose not to, you ought to seriously inspect your soul and think:
"Why am I trying to label people dishonestly? Why do I think the ends justify the means? Would Jesus Christ falsely label people in this way? Would St. Peter refuse to answer these questions?"
I hope you will respond. If you are a traditional Catholic, you don't need to go down this road. You don't need to resort to dishonesty. That is the true Satanic influence afflicting the SSPX. People on the pro-regularization end of things (including Fellay himself) resorting to deceit, entrapment, bullying and all manner of unbecoming behavior to silence and marginalize dissent.
If you believe the pro-regularization answer to the questions I posed is the correct one, then so be it. You have to support what you believe is best for your soul. But, if that is the case, answer that way and support your position with your reasons and arguments. Just don't hide from the questions and fire dishonesty and exaggeration like a hidden sniper.
Please, with God as my Divine Witness, do not think I say any of this with anger or malice. If you are an honest traditional Catholic, I have great compassion for you. For, you have been twisted into a position that cannot be anything but harmful for your soul. Don't let that happen. Let Yes be yes and no be no; be honest and deal honestly with your fellow Catholics. If you and yours continue your pattern of sliding down the Machiavellian ends justify the means road, this whole situation could slide out of control.
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While we owe a special debt of gratitude and prayer to the priests on this list, we ought not assume these are the only priests who would not go along with a sellout simply because they are the only ones who have spoken out. I am not an "insider" by any means, but I personally know three priests who are NOT on this list who have made it clear to me that they will not be going along with any regularization. Friends of mine have let me know that three additional priests they know have made them aware of the same. If three regular parishioners are aware of 6 priests between them that will not accept the sellout but have not spoken out publicly, I think it is clear that the 1/4 to 1/3 number many have projected is probably accurate. If 1/4 of the SSPX priests refuse to go along with this, that would leave 3 Bishops and 150 priests worldwide. Considering how long and how diabolically Fellay has been plotting this, for God to grant us that large a remnant would be truly miraculous.
Yes, I agree that there are probably more priests than we are aware of who have not spoken out yet, but will not go along with regularization, if that's the eventual outcome. I myself am aware of two more priests who are also not on the list, who have made their opposition known, although I think it's not as widely known. I'm sure we all know priests that we would be very surprised about if they went along with a deal. If they all spoke out now and were expelled from the SSPX, there would be absolutely no hope at all of changing the direction the SSPX seems to be heading in at the moment. It is for some to inform the faithful, some to work behind the scenes, at least I hope some of them are working behind the scenes..... :sad: In a way, if a deal were finalized, the battle lines would be finally drawn, and would it would be clear who was standing on each side. The lose of churches and other assets, and the spilts in the parishes, would be awful, but it's better to have Mass in a hotel or hall or someone's house with sound sermons, and priests you can truly entrust your salvation to, than to have a watered down Catholicism and compromise with Vatican II in a beautiful church. I sometimes can't help thinking that we need either a deal to be done so we know where we stand and can just walk away and support the priests who won't compromise, or else completely new leadership in the SSPX, with those who are willing to compromise to just leave the SSPX. And a firm, unambiguous statement from the new leadership against the errors of Vatican II and those who promote them. Certainly this crisis will seperate the wheat from the chaff in one way or another...and it's badly needed! The SSPX can't continue as it is, it is very clear that it now has members who do not understand the danger of Vatican II and the necessity to fight against it as they should. Ideally there would be no split, those who are for a deal would come to their senses and we would all be truly united in fighting for the Faith without compromise! We must pray to Our Lady to help us! And to St Pius X and Archbishop Levebvre! :pray:
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Certainly this crisis will seperate the wheat from the chaff in one way or another...and it's badly needed!
Those clerics who can't bring the Society over to Rome will leave. I agree with Bishop Williamson when he said it would be good riddance to bad rubbish. The clerics in the SSPX with modernistic ideas will leave.
I would rather be at Mass in the garage or basement with five or six people and a resisting priest than be at Mass being offered by a Judas figure.
I agree only a miracle of God will shaft Bishop Fellay and his lot but we are clear they want a practical agreement.
The SSPX will be much purer when those "weaselling around" leave.
Let's not forget Blessed Margaret Ball was betrayed by her own son.
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Whilst perhaps extreme, if necessary laity and priests may need to chain themselves to chapel doors etc etc in the event of Bishop Fellay, Krah etc etc attempting to take over a chapel. Property should not be handed over to the Romans.
Also request to see the SSPX statutes. Remember, they are a "pious union".
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Next good priest goes :
32) Fr. Hermann Weinzierl (Germany) - His SSPX employment ended due to his disagreement with the SSPX sellout - Contact Info available
The Bavarian Fr. Weinzierl was a former SSPX priest. When he started to think that the Newpopes are no true popes, he didn't preach it publicly and so he stayed a SSPX priest (like it was possible under Archbishop Lefebvre). But some years ago he couldn't agree any longer with the leadership's approach to Newrome, and so he didn't re-new his vows in the SSPX but became a freelancer still working for the SSPX as an employee of the German district.
He's a powerful preacher (you could listen to his sermons with his sympathetic deep Bavarian voice for hours), an excellent theologian, a natural scientist, and a writer of theologian articles and books. For example together with Fr. Johannes Grün he wrote one of the few traditional Catholic books against evolutionism on the basis of the Holy Scripture. It was published by the SSPX but later banned by the liberal Bp Fellay. (*)
Now comes the interesting part also for you English-speaking Catholics:
Some weeks ago the German SSPX district superior Fr. Schmidberger demanded from Fr. Weinzierl to sign a docuмent stating that the latter will continue to work for the SSPX also when the SSPX signs an agreement with Newrome.
The point is: If no agreement is planned, you don't need to demand from your (freelancing) priests to sign such a docuмent. Says a lot, doesn't it?
Of course Fr. Weinzierl rejected this traitorous docuмent and so his SSPX employment ended. He's now an independent priest who moved next to the nice Austrian town Bregenz (Bregenzer Festspiele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bregenzer_Festspiele)), close to the German, Swiss and Lichtenstein border. In this German-speaking tri-border region the father will look after the traditional Catholics who ask for him.
May God bless him, his work and his bravery! Please include him in your prayers, and in case you live in the Bregenz area, please support him directly for example by attending the Holy Masses he says.
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(*) The German Fr. Johannes Grün worked in the SSPX US district for several years. Some Cathinfo users know and appreciate him. :-)
For reasons related to the oldest enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christus, he then was transferred for disciplinary reasons to Australia. The climate there nearly killed the German and so a while ago he was transfered back to Germany. He's now sick and "resigned".
When I asked a theological expert in the SSPX why Bp Fellay banned this solid anti-evolutionism book of Fathers Weinzierl and Grün, he replied:
Already in the time of St Pius X many Catholics didn't believe anymore that the Holy Scripture is literally true, but the good pope stemmed it. After the dead of this last pope who truly reigned the Church, this fatal thinking spread immensely. Pius XII's words including one (or more?) encyclicals which play down and partly support evolutionism, underline that this wrong thinking infected also the leadership of the Church, and it also infected the SSPX leadership and too many SSPX priests. (For example the former superior general and today's district superior Fr Schmidberger publicly defended the Big Bang delusion in his official SSPX newsletter..)
The theologian added that by not taking the Holy Scripture literally anymore, Catholics actually doubt God and that's one root problem of the Church Crisis.
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Next good priest goes :
32) Fr. Hermann Weinzierl (Germany) - His SSPX employment ended due to his disagreement with the SSPX sellout - Contact Info available
The Bavarian Fr. Weinzierl was a former SSPX priest. When he started to think that the Newpopes are no true popes, he didn't preach it publicly and so he stayed a SSPX priest (like it was possible under Archbishop Lefebvre). But some years ago he couldn't agree any longer with the leadership's approach to Newrome, and so he didn't re-new his vows in the SSPX but became a freelancer still working for the SSPX as an employee of the German district.
He's a powerful preacher (you could listen to his sermons with his sympathetic deep Bavarian voice for hours), an excellent theologian, a natural scientist, and a writer of theologian articles and books. For example together with Fr. Johannes Grün he wrote one of the few traditional Catholic books against evolutionism on the basis of the Holy Scripture. It was published by the SSPX but later banned by the liberal Bp Fellay. (*)
Now comes the interesting part also for you English-speaking Catholics:
Some weeks ago the German SSPX district superior Fr. Schmidberger demanded from Fr. Weinzierl to sign a docuмent stating that the latter will continue to work for the SSPX also when the SSPX signs an agreement with Newrome.
The point is: If no agreement is planned, you don't need to demand from your (freelancing) priests to sign such a docuмent. Says a lot, doesn't it?
Of course Fr. Weinzierl rejected this traitorous docuмent and so his SSPX employment ended. He's now an independent priest who moved next to the nice Austrian town Bregenz (Bregenzer Festspiele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bregenzer_Festspiele)), close to the German, Swiss and Lichtenstein border. In this German-speaking tri-border region the father will look after the traditional Catholics who ask for him.
May God bless him, his work and his bravery! Please include him in your prayers, and in case you live in the Bregenz area, please support him directly for example by attending the Holy Masses he says.
Ethelred,
How about brokering a trade between Germany and the US ?
Father Weinzierl come to America. One zealous German TLM priest is of high value to the faithful.
I know what you're going to ask... What could America offer Germany in return?
How about five "pro-prelature" French priests living in the US ?
Perhaps a 1 to 5 trade... is a bad deal for resistance Germany, but surely Father Schmidberger would welcome them with open arms?
I sometimes wonder why the US is loaded with so many French SSPX priests and the Americans are shipped overseas ?
Is it a French subliminal reaction to the prophecies about the future massacre of Catholic priests in France?
America has benefited greatly from the immigration of German holy religious.
I went to grade school taught by Ursuline Nuns.
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Is there any clergy worth their salt (i.e. faithful to +ABL) in St. Mary's? :pray:
While unlikely (as they would have spoken up already), it would be nice to add someone stationed in Kansas to the list as it would be a consolation to the American faithful.
Sigh. And to think that for ages I wanted to move to St. Mary's!
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Certainly this crisis will seperate the wheat from the chaff in one way or another...and it's badly needed!
Those clerics who can't bring the Society over to Rome will leave. I agree with Bishop Williamson when he said it would be good riddance to bad rubbish. The clerics in the SSPX with modernistic ideas will leave.
I would rather be at Mass in the garage or basement with five or six people and a resisting priest than be at Mass being offered by a Judas figure.
I agree only a miracle of God will shaft Bishop Fellay and his lot but we are clear they want a practical agreement.
The SSPX will be much purer when those "weaselling around" leave.
Let's not forget Blessed Margaret Ball was betrayed by her own son.
I think that's wishful thinking. Looks to me like the accordistas are in control of the Society, and it's the faithful priests who are leaving.
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Ethelred,
How about brokering a trade between Germany and the US ?
Father Weinzierl come to America. One zealous German TLM priest is of high value to the faithful.
I know what you're going to ask... What could America offer Germany in return?
How about five "pro-prelature" French priests living in the US ?
Oh, that would be a bad deal in many aspects for us Germans: pro-sellout and anti-Holy-Roman-Empire...
But I do like your humour. :-)
Father Schmidberger would welcome them with open arms?
Probably he would, yes.
Alas, Fr Schmidberger. Called "The General" in the German-speaking area and a not a good one unfortunately. In 1994 the SSPX superiors on the general chapter were so frustrated with his way to administer the superior general's office that they voted him out of the office -- and then the incapable Bp Fellay remained... (the "incapable" bit is an information coming from then superiors who had to vote.)
In reward of Fr Schmidberger's massive support for the sellout, now Menzingen extended his period of being district superior only for 1 year instead of the usual 6 years. So after that year his influence will be close to zero. This means: Menzingen's firing Fr Schmidberger.
America has benefited greatly from the immigration of German holy religious.
I went to grade school taught by Ursuline Nuns.
I'm glad to hear that!
And we've benefited greatly from the English holy religious (St. Bonificatius) and still benefit from Bishop Williamson.
May God bless all faithful clerics!
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Certainly this crisis will seperate the wheat from the chaff in one way or another...and it's badly needed!
Those clerics who can't bring the Society over to Rome will leave. I agree with Bishop Williamson when he said it would be good riddance to bad rubbish. The clerics in the SSPX with modernistic ideas will leave.
I would rather be at Mass in the garage or basement with five or six people and a resisting priest than be at Mass being offered by a Judas figure.
I agree only a miracle of God will shaft Bishop Fellay and his lot but we are clear they want a practical agreement.
The SSPX will be much purer when those "weaselling around" leave.
Let's not forget Blessed Margaret Ball was betrayed by her own son.
I think that's wishful thinking. Looks to me like the accordistas are in control of the Society, and it's the faithful priests who are leaving.
Fr Chazal for example makes it clear in the video that he is an SSPX priest and certainly continues the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre. Same applies to Fr Pfeiffer.
It's Bishop Fellay and his gang who have left. It makes it easier for Bishop Fellay if priests leave.
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Next good priest goes :
32) Fr. Hermann Weinzierl (Germany) - His SSPX employment ended due to his disagreement with the SSPX sellout - Contact Info available
The Bavarian Fr. Weinzierl was a former SSPX priest. When he started to think that the Newpopes are no true popes, he didn't preach it publicly and so he stayed a SSPX priest (like it was possible under Archbishop Lefebvre). But some years ago he couldn't agree any longer with the leadership's approach to Newrome, and so he didn't re-new his vows in the SSPX but became a freelancer still working for the SSPX as an employee of the German district.
He's a powerful preacher (you could listen to his sermons with his sympathetic deep Bavarian voice for hours), an excellent theologian, a natural scientist, and a writer of theologian articles and books. For example
together with Fr. Johannes Grün he wrote one of the few traditional Catholic books against evolutionism on the basis of the Holy Scripture. It was published by the SSPX but later banned by the liberal Bp Fellay. (*)
Now comes the interesting part also for you English-speaking Catholics:
Some weeks ago the German SSPX district superior Fr. Schmidberger demanded from Fr. Weinzierl to sign a docuмent stating that the latter will continue to work for the SSPX also when the SSPX signs an agreement with Newrome.
The point is: If no agreement is planned, you don't need to demand from your (freelancing) priests to sign such a docuмent. Says a lot, doesn't it?
Of course Fr. Weinzierl rejected this traitorous docuмent and so his SSPX employment ended. He's now an independent priest who moved next to the nice Austrian town Bregenz (Bregenzer Festspiele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bregenzer_Festspiele)), close to the German, Swiss and Lichtenstein border. In this German-speaking tri-border region the father will look after the traditional Catholics who ask for him.
May God bless him, his work and his bravery! Please include him in your prayers, and in case you live in the Bregenz area, please support him directly for example by attending the Holy Masses he says.
Do you recall what the title of this book is?
I'd like to see a list of all the books the SSPX has had that this mole Fellay has
banned or has quietly allowed to go out of stock and not be re-printed, like he is
presently doing with I Accuse the Council.
It would also be instructive to see a list of the things +Fellay has said, compared
to a list of the things he has done over the years. For not infrequently, he says one
thing and then does another, or when he's caught saying something that exposes
his liberalism, he quickly attempts to back-track or "explain" why he's being
"misunderstood."
And he's typically very swift at punishing SSPX priests who oppose his liberalism,
even while he attempts to convince everyone he isn't liberal.
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Would not call Fellay a mole.....more like an appeaser or a quisling......seems mole would indicate he always has been up to no good....me thinks that when he got the head seat of SSPX and the pressure to "deal or no deal", he is giving in way too much........is whittling down, esp if w/poor advisors and those that are more into self interest......
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get lost belloc.
(*) The German Fr. Johannes Grün worked in the SSPX US district for several years. Some Cathinfo users know and appreciate him. :-)
For reasons related to the oldest enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christus, he then was transferred for disciplinary reasons to Australia. The climate there nearly killed the German and so a while ago he was transfered back to Germany. He's now sick and "resigned".
When I asked a theological expert in the SSPX why Bp Fellay banned this solid anti-evolutionism book of Fathers Weinzierl and Grün, he replied:
Already in the time of St Pius X many Catholics didn't believe anymore that the Holy Scripture is literally true, but the good pope stemmed it. After the dead of this last pope who truly reigned the Church, this fatal thinking spread immensely. Pius XII's words including one (or more?) encyclicals which play down and partly support evolutionism, underline that this wrong thinking infected also the leadership of the Church, and it also infected the SSPX leadership and too many SSPX priests. (For example the former superior general and today's district superior Fr Schmidberger publicly defended the Big Bang delusion in his official SSPX newsletter..)
The theologian added that by not taking the Holy Scripture literally anymore, Catholics actually doubt God and that's one root problem of the Church Crisis.
This following post does not mention the title of the book either.
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Another recent post:
Aug 17, 2012
Chartres, Falkland Islands
That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time. Vatican One
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Yes
Luke xviii. [1] And he spoke also a parable to them, that we ought always to pray, and not to faint,
[2] Saying: There was a judge in a certain city, who feared not God, nor regarded man. [3] And there was a certain widow in that city, and she came to him, saying: Avenge me of my adversary. [4] And he would not for a long time. But afterwards he said within himself: Although I fear not God, nor regard man, [5] Yet because this widow is troublesome to me, I will avenge her, lest continually coming she weary me.
[3] Avenge: That is, do me justice. It is a Hebraism.
[6] And the Lord said: Hear what the unjust judge saith.
[7] And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard?
[8] I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?
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The Book title in German of Father Johannes Grüns book was:
"Die Schöpfung - ein göttlicher Plan".
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Do you recall what the title of this book is?
Yes. The book in its German original edition is available at Amazon for example:
Amazon.de (http://www.amazon.de/Die-Sch%C3%B6pfung-g%C3%B6ttlicher-naturwissenschaftlicher-philosophisch-theologischer/dp/3909065058/)
Title: Die Schöpfung - ein göttlicher Plan.
Die Evolution im Lichte naturwissenschaftlicher Fakten und philosophisch-theologischer Grundlagen
(In English this means something like: The Creation - a divine plan.
The Evolution examined with scientific facts and with philosophical-theological principles)
Hardcover edition, 544 pages
Verlag: Verax, year 2000
ISBN-10: 3909065058
ISBN-13: 978-3909065059
Authors: Johannes Grün, Hermann Weinzierl
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41kABglhhOL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I'm not sure if there's an English translation. Maybe there is, because Fr Johannes Grün was in the USA for some years. But unfortunately I don't know and a quick search on Amazon.com didn't show any result.
I'd like to see a list of all the books the SSPX has had that this mole Fellay has banned or has quietly allowed to go out of stock and not be re-printed, like he is presently doing with I Accuse the Council.
It would also be instructive to see a list of the things +Fellay has said, compared to a list of the things he has done over the years. For not infrequently, he says one thing and then does another, or when he's caught saying something that exposes his liberalism, he quickly attempts to back-track or "explain" why he's being "misunderstood."
And he's typically very swift at punishing SSPX priests who oppose his liberalism, even while he attempts to convince everyone he isn't liberal.
So true!
(Edit: A synchronous post with new user Stefan. Thanks, Stefan.)
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While we owe a special debt of gratitude and prayer to the priests on this list, we ought not assume these are the only priests who would not go along with a sellout simply because they are the only ones who have spoken out. I am not an "insider" by any means, but I personally know three priests who are NOT on this list who have made it clear to me that they will not be going along with any regularization. Friends of mine have let me know that three additional priests they know have made them aware of the same. If three regular parishioners are aware of 6 priests between them that will not accept the sellout but have not spoken out publicly, I think it is clear that the 1/4 to 1/3 number many have projected is probably accurate. If 1/4 of the SSPX priests refuse to go along with this, that would leave 3 Bishops and 150 priests worldwide. Considering how long and how diabolically Fellay has been plotting this, for God to grant us that large a remnant would be truly miraculous.
Yes, I agree that there are probably more priests than we are aware of who have not spoken out yet, but will not go along with regularization, if that's the eventual outcome. I myself am aware of two more priests who are also not on the list, who have made their opposition known, although I think it's not as widely known. I'm sure we all know priests that we would be very surprised about if they went along with a deal. If they all spoke out now and were expelled from the SSPX, there would be absolutely no hope at all of changing the direction the SSPX seems to be heading in at the moment. It is for some to inform the faithful, some to work behind the scenes, at least I hope some of them are working behind the scenes..... :sad: In a way, if a deal were finalized, the battle lines would be finally drawn, and would it would be clear who was standing on each side. The lose of churches and other assets, and the spilts in the parishes, would be awful, but it's better to have Mass in a hotel or hall or someone's house with sound sermons, and priests you can truly entrust your salvation to, than to have a watered down Catholicism and compromise with Vatican II in a beautiful church. I sometimes can't help thinking that we need either a deal to be done so we know where we stand and can just walk away and support the priests who won't compromise, or else completely new leadership in the SSPX, with those who are willing to compromise to just leave the SSPX. And a firm, unambiguous statement from the new leadership against the errors of Vatican II and those who promote them. Certainly this crisis will seperate the wheat from the chaff in one way or another...and it's badly needed! The SSPX can't continue as it is, it is very clear that it now has members who do not understand the danger of Vatican II and the necessity to fight against it as they should. Ideally there would be no split, those who are for a deal would come to their senses and we would all be truly united in fighting for the Faith without compromise! We must pray to Our Lady to help us! And to St Pius X and Archbishop Levebvre! :pray:
Prayers for the resistance Bishops and Priests... of course!
However, we should keep focused on the pro-prelature priests.
Msgr. Fellay has told them to be silent and there's a reason for this.
One-on-one, an SSPX priest can't defend reconcilation with Rome.
The pro-prelature priest is at risk of making a statement that would expose the utter illogical nature of the plan.
I heard a story of an SSPX priest in Ireland running to his car after Mass after being confronted for his pro-prelature statements. The Irish and English SSPX are good resistance role models for all SSPX faithful.
The former SSPX "pray, pay and obey" attitude is pretensious.
We should have been asking more questions when Msgr. Williamson was fired as head of the Mendoza seminary, deported by Argentina's Jєωιѕн president and exiled to Wimbledon because as Msgr. Fellay said... "He's uranium".
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Dear Etherled,
could you please provide contact info to Fr. Weinzierl?
It's realy important.
Many thanks for your help.
Best wishes
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dear ethelred... could you please direct fr weinzierl to ireland..... :pray:
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Does anyone know if there is an intention to set up something similar in Europe anytime soon?
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I meant a similar residence to Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Boston, Kentucky. Where would the most likely place be and would/will Bishop Williamson reside there?
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Does anyone know if there is an intention to set up something similar in Europe anytime soon?
I don't think this will happen in Europe. But it looks like the faithful traditional priests prepare for what Bishop Williamson wrote in a recent EC (according to my information a majority of these priests are reading the good bishop's comments) :
I think – I may be wrong – that he wants a loose network of independent pockets of Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience such as served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s, and is now sinking the Society of St Pius X.
could you please direct fr weinzierl to ireland..... :pray:
It would be just indeed, because in the old time many excellent Irish priests (monks) came to Germany in order to preach the gospel.
Such small traditional in-house chapels like the one of Fr. Weinzierl are only beginning to grow now, so maybe at some day they can expand? :-)
could you please provide contact info to Fr. Weinzierl?
As soon as your PM is working (takes some days for Cathinfo newbies) I'm going to PM you.
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As soon as your PM is working (takes some days for Cathinfo newbies) I'm going to PM you.
God bless you
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Does anyone know if there is an intention to set up something similar in Europe anytime soon?
I don't think this will happen in Europe. But it looks like the faithful traditional priests prepare for what Bishop Williamson wrote in a recent EC (according to my information a majority of these priests are reading the good bishop's comments) :
I think – I may be wrong – that he wants a loose network of independent pockets of Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience such as served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s, and is now sinking the Society of St Pius X.
could you please direct fr weinzierl to ireland..... :pray:
It would be just indeed, because in the old time many excellent Irish priests (monks) came to Germany in order to preach the gospel.
Such small traditional in-house chapels like the one of Fr. Weinzierl are only beginning to grow now, so maybe at some day they can expand? :-)
could you please provide contact info to Fr. Weinzierl?
As soon as your PM is working (takes some days for Cathinfo newbies) I'm going to PM you.
It seems a lot of readers are kind of shell-shocked with these recent events,
and are acting scared that everything familiar is being torn down around them.
This is understandable. And actually it's a GOOD thing to see. I wish I had seen
a lot MORE of it in 1960 when it really started to heat up, with first the
anonymous announcement that the Third Secret would not be released, perhaps
'never.' And then came the stripping of the Mass in the 1962 liturgy of John XXIII,
and vernacular language in 1964 as a result of the first docuмents of V.II, and
then the abolition of the Oath Against Modernism, and the Leonine Prayers
After Low Mass, and then (surprise, surprise) Low Mass itself was abolished!
I knew Protestants who didn't know that High Mass was 'history' 30 years later!
This tells me that the only explanation for Catholics not being upset over
changes in the Church is because they're really not that involved or don't care.
So being upset that +W is expelled or that there is going to be a "loose
association of independent priests" is a welcome thing. But I hope that we are
not distracted by our emotional reaction. I hope we don't start losing the faith,
or become sedevacantists, or maybe even Muslim, Hindu or Mormon.... :barf:
If it makes any difference, there has been such an association going on in
America for several decades already. Fr. Paul Trinchard has been giving lectures
on a traveling circuit, as has Canon Gregorius Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and
Monsignor Patrick Perez; the last of whom are giving a Rosary Crusade Rally the
day after tomorrow in Ontario, California (not Canada!!), at the -
Ontario Convention Center
2000 E. Convention Center Way
Ontario, CA 91764
(909) 937-3000
FREE ADMISSION ~ From 12:30 pm - 5:30 pm.
Fr. Gruner will give a talk, and Msgr. will also give a talk. The abiding theme of
the whole thing will be the urgency of our prayers and sacrifices for the immediate
Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope
and Bishops of the world, in a solemn, public ceremony all on one special day.
Unless this is done, the errors of Russia - which, by the way, just won another
4 years of the Communist Obama in the White House - will continue to be
spread and IMPLEMENTED all over the world, until the REIGN OF THE ANTICHRIST
will be upon us. Our Lady said that the Pope would do it, but "it will be late."
Uhhh... it's been "late" for a long time already. How much "later" do we want?
World War III? We've already had a theological abomination thrice over with
Assisi I, II and III. How much more do you think God will tolerate before He
'rewards' our infidelity with WWIII?
We've already had +Fellay schmoozing with the apostates in Rome and then
kicking Frs. Pfeiffer, Chazal and +Williamson out on the street. Do you want to
have some more of that music? Don't think Advent is going to hold him back.
He's on a ROLL! He's in a HURRY! He wants to make a DEAL, before this Pope
kicks the bucket!
This "loose association of priests" has a "loose association of bishops," too, and
they are not infrequently bishops from India. This comes to me as a bit of a
curiosity, because India seems to be the big wild card in our recent Church
history.
India is the home of the most ancient of pagan religions, Hinduism. I recently
watched a YOU TUBE video, a full length movie from 1984 (as I recall) that
explains this very well. And no sooner did the NEW mass come out, but the
Catholic Church in India began immediately importing all the local pagan trappings
of Hinduism into the new mass, like a UPS drop-shipment of infidelity gone wild.
This problem scandalized the Indian faithful and many of the clergy, but it could
have only occurred if a majority of the clergy had capitulated. Fortunately, in
the land that the Apostle St. Thomas evangelized, there were some priests
and bishops who held fast to the traditions that were handed down to them, and
they are very supportive and appreciative of priests elsewhere in the world who
also do this.
I find it rather telling that outside the SSPX, the only bishops we have in the
USA who are supportive are sedevacantist. And they are not really very
supportive, for their sedevacantism fairly demands a difference of ideology that
is nearly impossible to penetrate. So our trad priests have found support in the
Bishops of India, some of whom are not even Roman Rite bishops, but they
are nonetheless supportive of our independent priests.
So while this change is upsetting to Catholics who have become secure in
thinking that "everything's okay in the SSPX" (a weakness that +Fellay has
capitalized on most thoroughly), we really ought to know that it is not
outside the realm of experience, and that there are already good, traditional
priests and bishops who are promoting the learning of the Canonized Traditional
Latin Mass and its rubrics that were in place before 1955. Monsignor Perez
has introduced several independent priests to these rubrics, and they have
in turn taken the knowledge with them and are already practicing in all the
continents of the world. So the resurgence has already begun. These are
not uncharted waters.
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Dear Neil Obstat,
have you maybe got some more information about association you have described?
Thanks
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If it makes any difference, there has been such an association going on in America for several decades already. Fr. Paul Trinchard has been giving lectures on a traveling circuit, as has Canon Gregorius Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and Monsignor Patrick Perez;
Fr. Gregorius Hesse died in 2006 (RIP). There are many excellent talks by him on the internet in both English and German. He was Austrian, but often gave lectures in America.
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If it makes any difference, there has been such an association going on in
America for several decades already. Fr. Paul Trinchard has been giving lectures
on a traveling circuit, as has Canon Gregorius Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and
Monsignor Patrick Perez;
This "loose association of priests" has a "loose association of bishops," too, and
they are not infrequently bishops from India.
I find it rather telling that outside the SSPX, the only bishops we have in the
USA who are supportive are sedevacantist. And they are not really very
supportive, for their sedevacantism fairly demands a difference of ideology that
is nearly impossible to penetrate.
Not positive, but I thought Fr. Trinchard and Father (Canon?) Hesse are deceased.....
Are you referring to validly ordained Bishops outside the SSPX? I was under the impression that the consecration of most Bishops outside the SSPX have been questionable at best, especially the sedevacantists.
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If it makes any difference, there has been such an association going on in America for several decades already. Fr. Paul Trinchard has been giving lectures on a traveling circuit, as has Canon Gregorius Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and Monsignor Patrick Perez;
Fr. Gregorius Hesse died in 2006 (RIP). There are many excellent talks by him on the internet in both English and German. He was Austrian, but often gave lectures in America.
Right, I wasn't clear. The point is that this has been going on for some years
already. Fr. Hesse gave lectures all over Europe and the USA for years, ending in
2004 or so when he started getting very sick from diabetes. He gave several
talks right here in my area, and they had some good effects. The problem is,
it seems to me, that Catholics are not aware that it's okay to go and listen to
these priests give lectures because it's not supported by the local Ordinary.
Or, that the SSPX has some kind of monopoly on Holy Orders. Perhaps Bishop
Richard Williamson can help to straighten out this confusion. Maybe that's his
biggest assignment from God??????????????????????????
That's the key of satan's success in our time, the local jurisdiction bishop is not
on board with spreading the true Faith. They have been stymied or paralyzed by
the smoke of satan. If you are in the L.A. area this coming Saturday, you really
ought to get on your horse and come out to Ontario and support the good
priests there who are putting the word out.
Or, the alternative is, join the 99% of novus ordo Catholics who think they should
keep their heads in the sand..................
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If it makes any difference, there has been such an association going on in
America for several decades already. Fr. Paul Trinchard has been giving lectures
on a traveling circuit, as has Canon Gregorius Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, and
Monsignor Patrick Perez;
This "loose association of priests" has a "loose association of bishops," too, and
they are not infrequently bishops from India.
I find it rather telling that outside the SSPX, the only bishops we have in the
USA who are supportive are sedevacantist. And they are not really very
supportive, for their sedevacantism fairly demands a difference of ideology that
is nearly impossible to penetrate.
Not positive, but I thought Fr. Trinchard and Father (Canon?) Hesse are deceased.....
Are you referring to validly ordained Bishops outside the SSPX? I was under the impression that the consecration of most Bishops outside the SSPX have been questionable at best, especially the sedevacantists.
The success of satan goes further than passing judgment on independent
priests. It includes passing judgment on the validity of Holy Orders. If you
are in the L.A. area, you should come to Ontario on Saturday and pay
attention, and ask the Fathers there about valid orders.
I don't think there is much I'll be able to tell you on the Internet, because you
will just get your attention diverted by other members who chime in and
hijack the thread with their incessant drivel on sedevacantism.
The devil wins in more ways than one......................
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Monsignor Perez knows Bishop Williamson, and Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal.
I wish all four could be at this mini-conference.
I won't be surprised if one of these three shows up unannounced.
I would be absolutely thrilled, personally.
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6. august
1). Fr. Ernesto Cardozo (Currently in Mexico) – Contact Info Available
2). Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out
3). Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz (Italy) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available
4). Fr. Basilio Meramo (Colombia) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available
5). Fr. Francis Chazal (Philippines)
6). Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available
7). Fr. Paul Morgan (UK)
8). His Lordship, Bishop Richard Williamson (UK) - Contact Info Available
9). Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani (Argentina) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out
10). Fr. Juan Jose Turco (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out
11). Fr. Curzio Notiglia (Italy) - Contact Info Available
12). Fr. Joven Soliman (Philippines) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available
13). Mosteiro de Santa Cruz (Brazil) - (Benedictines attached to SSPX) - Contact Info Available
14). Fr. Jean de Morgon (OFM Cap) (Aurenque, France)
15). Traditional Capuchins of Morgon, France
16). Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)
17). Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available
18). Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada)
19). His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (France)
20). Fr. A (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contacted
21). Fr. B (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
22). Fr. C (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
23). Fr. Michel Koller (France)
24). Fr. David Hewko (USA)
25). Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)
26). Fr. D (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available
27). Fr. Damien Fox (Canada)
28). Fr. Charles Moulin (France) (Did not warn against the regularization, but expressed support for Bishop Williamson and urged him to attend the General Chapter in spite of Menzingen's public ban on his attendance and removal from the Chapter)
29). Fr. Matthew Clifton (United Kingdom)
30). Fr. Anton Trinh (USA) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available
31). Traditional Dominicans of Avrille, France (France) – Contact Info Available
Anyone have the actual list?
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Also, Father René Trincado Cvjetkovic from Mendoza, Argentina should be added to this list, as well as other South American priests who have left the SSPX because ofthey spoke out.
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We have to keep all priests in prayers. Fr. Trinh left technically as he became sedevacantist.
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I also would like to have an up to date list of priests, but in the long run,it will be academic, the majority appear to be staying put.... which basically leaves the the objectors to an agreement, in limbo..... with the rest of us...... :thinking:
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(I posted in the wrong topic...)